[Politics]Closing US border will do nothing to stop illegal immigration, it just harms businesses.

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Trump's brilliant idea to close the US southern Border will actually do nothing to slow illegal immigration, it will instead just harm businesses. Immigrant families have been being bused from Guatemala to a strip of US soil that exists between existing wall and the Rio Grande, thus the wall and closing the border will still do nothing to stop the massive influx of immigrants hitting US soil. The US will still have to take their asylum cases regardless of if the ports of entry close due to those immigrants still being on US soil.

If anything it will only increase the number of people crossing anywhere else but ports of entry if he closes the points of entry, so it makes no sense at all for him to even consider this a "plan". It is just a beyond stupid move that makes no sense whatsoever.

Former ICE Director: Closing Southern Border Will Do ?Nothing? To Stop Immigrant Flow
John Sandweg torched Trump?s threat to shut down the U.S.-Mexico border and said his proposed wall ?makes no sense.?
John Sandweg, a former acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said that President Donald Trump?s apparent plan to close the southern border would do ?absolutely nothing? to curb the number of people illegally crossing to the U.S. from Mexico.
Trump on Friday repeatedly threatened to close the border if Mexico doesn?t do more to stop the flow of migrants heading toward the U.S. His administration has already reduced the number of asylum seekers admitted at ports of entry, which experts say causes more people to cross into the U.S. illegally.
What?s more, only a fraction of undocumented immigrants enter the U.S. through legal ports of entry, making Trump?s threat to close the southern border all the more baffling, Sandweg said Monday.

?What?s going on at the ports of entry is just lawful trade and travel,? he told CNN. He said the U.S. has ?a process that has worked for decades? for handling people who illegally cross into the U.S. from Mexico but that the Trump administration isn?t dedicating enough resources to it.

?So it?s taking years? for asylum claims to be processed, Sandweg said. ?Thus further incentivizing more to come.?
Sandweg added: ?This is a different type of situation than we?ve ever dealt with at the border before. These people are not trying to sneak into the United States and evade capture. They want to surrender right away because they know that [the Department of Homeland Security] is currently overwhelmed. So, no, the wall is not going to do anything about it.?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/former-ice-director-closing-southern-border_n_5ca2413be4b014390a168e97

First of all Trump has been repeatedly cutting aid to central american nations which then of course causes more people to flee their nations due to having no other choice. Trump going on and on about building a wall then spurred people to start busing families from Guatemala to a strip of US soil that exists in between Trumps wall and the Rio Grande, rendering his wall useless as there is already a wall there, but it is not possible to build a wall on the very edge of the border in all places and people are taking advantage of it and as soon as they get to that strip of US soil, they are turning themselves in. All he is doing here with his bad decision after bad decision is making it much worse, not better.
This photo, released by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, shows why U.S. border barriers won?t stop the families from reaching U.S. soil and exercising their legal right to seek asylum.

The new walls create a strip of U.S. territory where people can legally seek asylum.
The Rio Grande spans about two-thirds of the U.S.-Mexico border, and nearly all of the new border wall the president wants to build is along the river. Border walls are linear and need a solid base, but the river banks are unstable and follow a circuitous course. So the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is building new barriers along the river levee. The walls create a strip of U.S. territory between the river and the fencing.
In the photo, migrants are shown lined up outside the wall in El Paso on March 7. This group of 127 Guatemalan migrants had waded through the river to turn themselves in to U.S. agents, the first step in initiating the asylum process. They crossed the border illegally, but they have the legal right to seek asylum because they reached U.S. soil. Border Patrol agents must take them into custody and begin processing their claims.
https://www.heraldnet.com/nation-world/this-photo-shows-why-a-border-wall-wont-stop-immigration-surge/

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/423150-border-closure-could-cost-billions
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/01/politics/hassett-border-shut-costs/index.html
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/does-trump-understand-what-closing-the-border-actually-means
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/29/18287491/trump-closing-border-mexico-trade-not-how-it-works

It is honestly like a cartoon, the more he rants about it and does things to piss people off, the worse he makes it.
 

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Lets see...

The illegal immigrants are fleeing poor conditions in their country. So let's remove all aid! Aid that would go towards actually improving those countries, and make them more livable so that immigrants don't have to leave.

And let's shut down the border! Because screw U.S. businesses. This is a pretty serious blow to the farmers and food industry in particular, and this comes on top of the china tariffs. Trump is doing his best to make life a living hell for the farmers who voted for him. The sad part is that those farmers are probably going to vote Trump again in 2020.

Brilliant! /sarcasm

Given how he ran his businesses (and now the U.S.), making things worse is Trump's specialty.

Trump is a real life example of someone being evil just to be evil.
 

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Lets see...

The illegal immigrants are fleeing poor conditions in their country. So let's remove all aid! Aid that would go towards actually improving those countries, and make them more livable so that immigrants don't have to leave.

And let's shut down the border! Because screw U.S. businesses. This is a pretty serious blow to the farmers and food industry in particular, and this comes on top of the china tariffs. Trump is doing his best to make life a living hell for the farmers who voted for him. The sad part is that those farmers are probably going to vote Trump again in 2020.

Brilliant! /sarcasm

Given how he ran his businesses (and now the U.S.), making things worse is Trump's specialty.

Trump is a real life example of someone being evil just to be evil.
Look, foreign aid can get tied in corruption, just like any government/ business dealing. So, it's not foolproof. But it's still a better wall than a physical wall. The latter deals with a symptom and won't do much to stem the bleeding. The former is try to deal with the problem. But it's only throwing money at it, and that doesn't always work.

It's the same with sanctions. All the sanction placed on Saddam, didn't hurt him at all. They hurt the people of Iraq, making a new enemy for us to face. Same with Maduro, he's been able to claim that the right wing extremism from America is the one ruining Venezuela. Becuase they partially are. Maduro isn't helping at all either. Which, gives the US an excuse to take Venezuelan oil
 

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I mean, if the US actually had some form of reliable federal ID system linked to one's taxation registration - and then businesses were audited properly to ensure they were paying that money appropriately the issue of illegal immigration would quickly be solved.

But that requires "big government" and that's something that apparently US citizens fear more than vaccines and single payer health care.
 

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Eh, it's not like Trump is actually trying to solve the stated problem. Now, whether or not his actions are working towards what he wants them to work for is another matter altogether. He seems to be having moderate success at rampant xenophobia and causing a problem for him to fix.
 

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Republicans don't actually care about solving problems. They only care about catering to their racist voters and multinational corporations.
 

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he wants to look strong for his loyal followers, whom are all pretty adept at ignoring any and all facts anyway. so as long as there's some dumbass pretense at action being taken in the most idiotic caveman-with-a-rock-sledgehammer kind of way, they can all sleep soundly as their trembling fear of "the others" is provided enough placebo to encourage them back to the polls next voting season, greased along by the sycophant republican propaganda machine. the actual effectiveness was never going to be a priority, as expected from these political parasites. the issue really becomes how to combat the conditioning so information provided such as this isn't immediately rejected because it goes against master's god-endorsed rhetoric
 

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Why does the us have to carter for this non us born people? Why does the us need to give money to this countries?
 

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Trump thinks Puerto Rico isn't part of the US, Trump is stupid and racist and stupidracist.
 

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Why does the us have to carter for this non us born people? Why does the us need to give money to this countries?
First of all, the US has a long history of exploiting the resources and people of these nations and interfering with their government, commerce and people. For example:

The inequalities that led to the armed conflict in Guatemala and eventually to genocide against the Mayan population are embedded in a long history of colonization, dispossession, exclusion, contempt and structural racism.
But these inequalities were exacerbated in 1954 when the United States, in the name of anticommunism and in the defense corporate interests of the United Fruit Company, helped depose the democratic government of Jacobo Arbenz Guzm?n.

From that moment on, the United States assured that an ultraconservative line remained in power until 1985. The United States financed brutal counterinsurgency campaigns with forces it trained in the School of the Americas. By interfering in state policies and it shared responsibility for the genocidal campaigns carried out by the military regimes in Guatemala, including the government of R?os Montt.
Ronald Reagan, in particular, supported and exalted the regime of R?os Montt, reducing the massacres and dehumanization of indigenous communities to a ?bum rap? for R?os Montt. The anticommunist sentiment shared by the two leaders provided an incentive for the armed forces to continue carrying out a genocide against the 22 Maya groups of the country.
The long-term effects of the massacres are not only visible in the loss of lives and brilliant minds but on the current fragmentations of Guatemalan society. U.S. foreign policy tore apart the social fabric of the country. These policies struck the indigenous population mercilessly, especially in rural areas. Unfortunately the manner in which R?os Montt?s defense behaved at trial hindered the possibility of learning more about the U.S. role in Guatemala directly from the ex dictator.

The tide has somewhat turned. In 1999, President Bill Clinton, during his visit to Guatemala, recognized and apologized for the errors committed in our country. The U.S. embassy of the United States has said the R?os Montt verdict should be respected, earning the wrath of the business sector, conservatives and the military, which find their former ally?s current stance treasonous.
But what does this mean for Guatemalans after the damage has been done? What will U.S. economic, technical and possibly military support mean for the future of the country when we have an administration headed by a former military leader who, alongside his cabinet, continues to criminalize social movements and indigenous people?
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/05/19/what-guilt-does-the-us-bear-in-guatemala/guatemala-suffered-for-us-foreign-policy

The US has an obligation to help these nations because the US is partially responsible for the position the people there are in.

In addition, The US recognizes The "Right of Asylum" under article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution." The United Nations 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees guides national legislation concerning political asylum. Under these agreements, a refugee (or for cases where repressing base means has been applied directly or environmentally to the refugee) is a person who is outside that person's own country's territory (or place of habitual residence if stateless) owing to fear of persecution on protected grounds. Protected grounds include race, caste, nationality, religion, political opinions and membership or participation in any particular social group or social activities. Rendering true victims of persecution to their persecutor is a violation of a principle called non-refoulement, part of the customary and trucial Law of Nations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_asylum

During the 1930's many Jews tried to flee Nazi Germany to other nations but were turned away. After WW2, People realized what had happen to the Jewish people they had turned away, they had been murdered. Millions of people died because other nations could not be bothered to help them. People realizing millions of people could needlessly die in any nation if a disaster, man made or natural happened and people were turned away and not helped, that this could happen to anyone in any nation if this was not changed. If people turn a blind eye to others suffering, who will help them if something horrible happens and they are the one's suffering? Should the world turn a blind eye and allow you to perish as well? This is why we have the right to asylum, so that in the event one is trying to flee for their lives, they will not be denied and left to die when they tried to seek help and refuge. It is just a matter of treating others how you would want to be treated in the same position. Why would we not want to treat others how we would hope to be treated in their same situation?
 

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I mean, if the US actually had some form of reliable federal ID system linked to one's taxation registration - and then businesses were audited properly to ensure they were paying that money appropriately the issue of illegal immigration would quickly be solved.

But that requires "big government" and that's something that apparently US citizens fear more than vaccines and single payer health care.
Isn't that what social security cards are for? The US has Social security cards and ID's, there is also a crapton of money being made in identity theft and people selling that shat on the black market:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/01/consumers-lost-more-than-16b-to-fraud-and-identity-theft-last-year.html
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/22/14-million-illegals-working-stolen-social-security/

Although most working under the table do so with cash, as it is not tracked at all. They just pay people cash instead of with checks and consider it no different than buying any other service. For example, when you have an exterminator come out, you can pay them in cash and you do not even keep track of their name, instead on the books is just says " exterminator" and/or name of the business instead. You would not keep track of the expense by their social security number anyhow. This goes for numerous services, and that is why those services are often filled with non citizens that not only reduces the costs of said services, it makes it pretty difficult to track.

When people hire the neighbors kids to mow their lawn they don't ask for a social security number. That is pretty much how these services operate as well.
 

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Although most working under the table do so with cash, as it is not tracked at all. They just pay people cash instead of with checks and consider it no different than buying any other service. For example, when you have an exterminator come out, you can pay them in cash and you do not even keep track of their name, instead on the books is just says " exterminator" and/or name of the business instead. You would not keep track of the expense by their social security number anyhow. This goes for numerous services, and that is why those services are often filled with non citizens that not only reduces the costs of said services, it makes it pretty difficult to track.

When people hire the neighbors kids to mow their lawn they don't ask for a social security number. That is pretty much how these services operate as well.
Other nations are able to handle this. And a kid mowing the lawn would be paid for by an individual, who has already paid income tax.

When a business pays for an item - it is monitored and they often are encouraged to keep the receipt to claim it back in taxes when calculating profit at the end of the financial year.

A tradie doing a job for cash is tax evasion. While you can not stamp it out entirely, the government should be in the business of enforcing tax policy - with prison time for those who show intentional tax evasion. That and being caught paying employees in unrecorded cash should carry some of the harshest of penalties as it's a sign of possible exploitation.
 

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Abomination said:
Lil devils x said:
Although most working under the table do so with cash, as it is not tracked at all. They just pay people cash instead of with checks and consider it no different than buying any other service. For example, when you have an exterminator come out, you can pay them in cash and you do not even keep track of their name, instead on the books is just says " exterminator" and/or name of the business instead. You would not keep track of the expense by their social security number anyhow. This goes for numerous services, and that is why those services are often filled with non citizens that not only reduces the costs of said services, it makes it pretty difficult to track.

When people hire the neighbors kids to mow their lawn they don't ask for a social security number. That is pretty much how these services operate as well.
Other nations are able to handle this. And a kid mowing the lawn would be paid for by an individual, who has already paid income tax.

When a business pays for an item - it is monitored and they often are encouraged to keep the receipt to claim it back in taxes when calculating profit at the end of the financial year.

A tradie doing a job for cash is tax evasion. While you can not stamp it out entirely, the government should be in the business of enforcing tax policy - with prison time for those who show intentional tax evasion. That and being caught paying employees in unrecorded cash should carry some of the harshest of penalties as it's a sign of possible exploitation.
Anyone can literally write a receipt. You do not need a social security number to write a receipt. You can write it on anything or go pick up a receipt book from Walmart. They just write them off as contract labor like they are paying the exterminator, or fencing repair guy or plumber. It is up to the contractor to report their own income, thus they just don't and then have no need for a social security number. Most of those working illegally in the US do so in trades where they can easily fly under the radar.

The reality of enforcement is the US is a big place, and it costs money to enforce this stuff, and if it cost more to enforce it than they would gain from enforcement, they don't bother. The IRS doesn't usually do an audit to check every expense to look for exterminators or plumbers who might be undocumented, as that would be expensive with little pay off. The US prison population already dwarfs that of other nations, they do not need to put even more people in jail for nonviolent crime.

It has already been proven that the US prison system is failing terribly at rehabilitation, so obviously the "lock them up" mindset isn't working as intended. People need genuine help and options, not more punishment. The worst problem in the US is not illegal immigrants, it is the wealth being syphoned out of every town and city into the hands of the few and not being reinvested into their communities, leaving communities poorer and poorer. Going after the poor immigrants barely making enough to survive on isn't going to help anything. They really need to be going after the Waltons, the Trumps and the CEO's if they want to actually help the people and communities.
 

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The US prison population already dwarfs that of other nations, they do not need to put even more people in jail for nonviolent crime.
Perhaps more to the point, migrant laborers are already laboring for next to nothing, so they constitute a less fruitful population to reduce to prison labor. Better to go after people who are protected by labor laws (such as they are) and those who make their living selling stuff without the ruling class taking a profit (war on certain kinds of drugs, go).
 

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Seanchaidh said:
Lil devils x said:
The US prison population already dwarfs that of other nations, they do not need to put even more people in jail for nonviolent crime.
Perhaps more to the point, migrant laborers are already laboring for next to nothing, so they constitute a less fruitful population to reduce to prison labor. Better to go after people who are protected by labor laws (such as they are) and those who make their living selling stuff without the ruling class taking a profit (war on certain kinds of drugs, go).
With the looks of the ruling class these days, people would likely be better off with them in jail instead of the poor laborers. Those who profit off of prison labor are the people who should be in there, not the poor who are struggling to survive in the first place. Toss Ajit Pai on there while we're at it for his whole DDoS and comments fraud nonsense.
 

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From what I heard, most drug smuggling comes from legal ports of entry, people hiding it in fake produce or other hidden compartments. Though of course it's not a long term solution. Maybe he wants the cartels to stop the caravans cause they're hurting their drug smuggling profits. It's definitely a more potentially useful approach than a wall.
 

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Lil devils x said:
Anyone can literally write a receipt. You do not need a social security number to write a receipt. You can write it on anything or go pick up a receipt book from Walmart. They just write them off as contract labor like they are paying the exterminator, or fencing repair guy or plumber. It is up to the contractor to report their own income, thus they just don't and then have no need for a social security number. Most of those working illegally in the US do so in trades where they can easily fly under the radar.
Right, so, fix that. Other nations have tax policy in place to prevent and punish that type of behaviour.

The reality of enforcement is the US is a big place, and it costs money to enforce this stuff, and if it cost more to enforce it than they would gain from enforcement, they don't bother. The IRS doesn't usually do an audit to check every expense to look for exterminators or plumbers who might be undocumented, as that would be expensive with little pay off. The US prison population already dwarfs that of other nations, they do not need to put even more people in jail for nonviolent crime.
If a nation is not going to enforce its own taxation laws because doing so is "expensive" then it's no wonder the deficit is so high in the US. Other nations have developed far more cost effective ways of keeping track of an individual and a business's income and expenses.

It has already been proven that the US prison system is failing terribly at rehabilitation, so obviously the "lock them up" mindset isn't working as intended. People need genuine help and options, not more punishment. The worst problem in the US is not illegal immigrants, it is the wealth being syphoned out of every town and city into the hands of the few and not being reinvested into their communities, leaving communities poorer and poorer. Going after the poor immigrants barely making enough to survive on isn't going to help anything. They really need to be going after the Waltons, the Trumps and the CEO's if they want to actually help the people and communities.
You misunderstand, this is not about going after the WORKERS but about going after the EMPLOYERS who seek to shirk payment responsibilities. If someone does not correctly record their payments to workers, and use say the PAYE system (Pay As You Earn, where income tax is deducted from wages/salaries immediately on payment, and payments must be made through a registered bank - banks are also legally obligated to allow people to open free accounts that can not go into arrears i.e. no overdrafts) then they are committing tax fraud.

Fastest way to see improvements to the prison system? Start imprisoning white collar crime. You can not fine these people, as that just becomes a business risk rather than an individual risk.
 

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sonofliber said:
Why does the us have to carter for this non us born people? Why does the us need to give money to this countries?
You give out foreign aid to make sure people stay in those countries. If there is no money to be had, expect them to move, perhaps to the US. Of course, you have to be wary of propping up failed states like the US did with Iran, Iraq, the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden, becuase, especially the last one, they can bite you in the ass 20 years later.

The other problem is something like Somalia. We paid to keep Somalis there since the civil war. In 1991. Some people have been in those refugee camps for 30 years. Their lands have been stolen and they can't enter Somalia again but they are told to wait by the International Community before immigrating. They aren't learning any useful skills as there is no possible work for them. They're gradually bcomint useless or resorting to criminality.

Not letting people immigrate can make the problem way worse decades later. Or they could be slaughtered like the Chritians in Niger or the Muslims in Burma.
 

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Lil devils x said:
Anyone can literally write a receipt. You do not need a social security number to write a receipt. You can write it on anything or go pick up a receipt book from Walmart. They just write them off as contract labor like they are paying the exterminator, or fencing repair guy or plumber. It is up to the contractor to report their own income, thus they just don't and then have no need for a social security number. Most of those working illegally in the US do so in trades where they can easily fly under the radar.
Right, so, fix that. Other nations have tax policy in place to prevent and punish that type of behaviour.

The reality of enforcement is the US is a big place, and it costs money to enforce this stuff, and if it cost more to enforce it than they would gain from enforcement, they don't bother. The IRS doesn't usually do an audit to check every expense to look for exterminators or plumbers who might be undocumented, as that would be expensive with little pay off. The US prison population already dwarfs that of other nations, they do not need to put even more people in jail for nonviolent crime.
If a nation is not going to enforce its own taxation laws because doing so is "expensive" then it's no wonder the deficit is so high in the US. Other nations have developed far more cost effective ways of keeping track of an individual and a business's income and expenses.

It has already been proven that the US prison system is failing terribly at rehabilitation, so obviously the "lock them up" mindset isn't working as intended. People need genuine help and options, not more punishment. The worst problem in the US is not illegal immigrants, it is the wealth being syphoned out of every town and city into the hands of the few and not being reinvested into their communities, leaving communities poorer and poorer. Going after the poor immigrants barely making enough to survive on isn't going to help anything. They really need to be going after the Waltons, the Trumps and the CEO's if they want to actually help the people and communities.
You misunderstand, this is not about going after the WORKERS but about going after the EMPLOYERS who seek to shirk payment responsibilities. If someone does not correctly record their payments to workers, and use say the PAYE system (Pay As You Earn, where income tax is deducted from wages/salaries immediately on payment, and payments must be made through a registered bank - banks are also legally obligated to allow people to open free accounts that can not go into arrears i.e. no overdrafts) then they are committing tax fraud.

Fastest way to see improvements to the prison system? Start imprisoning white collar crime. You can not fine these people, as that just becomes a business risk rather than an individual risk.
It isn't the poor laborers running up the deficit, it is the wealthy and their businesses avoiding paying taxes, and not due to paying undocumented workers, but by tax loopholes and hiding their money. Trump for example, was able to literally buy diamond and gold encrusted doors while not paying taxes, or paying the money owed to workers and businesses due to tax write offs and declaring bankruptcy. It isn't welfare for the poor that is the problem in the US, it is "corporate welfare" and " golden parachutes" paid for by taxpayers that is what should be addressed.


Walmart, for example refuses to pay their employees a living wage costing taxpayers $6.2 Billions, while profiting $129.10 Billion. Why are the tax payers paying that instead of taking it out of Walmart's profits? In addition to the money spent supporting Walmart's workers, Walmart also receives, federal, state and local subsidies and incentives:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/walmart-government-subsidies-study#51652

https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/#64b21838720b

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/high-on-the-hog-the-top-8-corporate-welfare-recipients.html/

We have so many companies in the US that get out of paying taxes all together:
http://fortune.com/2019/02/14/amazon-doesnt-pay-federal-taxes-2019/
http://fortune.com/2018/01/18/apple-bonuses-money-us-350-billion-taxes-trump/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/boeing-tax_n_4824918
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2019/02/28/gm-ford-rarely-pay-federal-taxes-tax-refunds/2985737002/


TBH I think " white collar crime" should have harsher penalties. A poor guy robbing a gas station may be doing so out of desperation to survive. A guy like Trump does it to the masses because he is greedy and vain, not to survive, thus should have a much harsher penalty. He should be in prison for his Trump university scam. He should be in prison for not paying for his pianos and not paying his architect while gilding everything in his houses. It should be considered the same if not worse than stealing from the gas station because he is not driven out of desperation to survive, thus should be considered a worse crime. The fact they send that to civil law instead of criminal law is a huge part of the problem.

Worrying about the few poor immigrants repairing fences and plumbing not paying their taxes is the least of our concerns when we have Walmart receiving subsidies and Apple and Amazon not paying taxes.

Americans taking out too much personal debt and having no savings is due to the wealthy not paying them a living wage and they are forced to go into debt h=just to have food, shelter and basic necessities. There is no excuse for this in a nation whose wealthy own enough wealth to make every single man, woman and child, citizen and not a millionaire. When the 1% own everything and the majority of the nation is left to struggle there is something seriously wrong with the system.
 

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I agree with you.

The US needs to actually tax the companies that are making astronomical profits. It's almost like... these profits are made public, so clearly the government can look at those figures and then compare it to how much that company paid in taxes that year.

Massive profits? NO taxes paid? Hmmmmmmm. Oh! My campaign donor is here! What were we talking about?