[Politics]Closing US border will do nothing to stop illegal immigration, it just harms businesses.

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

I agree with you.

The US needs to actually tax the companies that are making astronomical profits. It's almost like... these profits are made public, so clearly the government can look at those figures and then compare it to how much that company paid in taxes that year.

Massive profits? NO taxes paid? Hmmmmmmm. Oh! My campaign donor is here! What were we talking about?

What is the most obscene is that not only are they raking in massive profits and not paying taxes, they are receiving government subsidies WHILE they are doing so and not even paying their workers what they deserve to be paid. They are being paid by taxpayers in addition to having their employees supported by tax payers.

 

[Abomination]

I agree with you.

The US needs to actually tax the companies that are making astronomical profits. It's almost like... these profits are made public, so clearly the government can look at those figures and then compare it to how much that company paid in taxes that year.

Massive profits? NO taxes paid? Hmmmmmmm. Oh! My campaign donor is here! What were we talking about?

What is the most obscene is that not only are they raking in massive profits and not paying taxes, they are receiving government subsidies WHILE they are doing so and not even paying their workers what they deserve to be paid. They are being paid by taxpayers in addition to having their employees supported by tax payers.

But Devil, they bring JOBS to the area. Unemployment has never been lower. If we didn't receive these subsidies we could not afford to provide employment to so many of your fellow Americans.

This is sarcasm.

 

[Agema]

Why does the us have to carter for this non us born people? Why does the us need to give money to this countries?

It doesn't have to - it's just there can be advantages in doing so, such as:

1) Aid may encourage stability in a target country, and unstable countries also tend to destabilise their neighbours. Look what happened to Syria, and where the ripples spread got to. Stability is good for smooth business, especially useful if the USA is doing business in the area.

2) Aid may promote human and economic development. If you imagine that a country imports 5% of its stuff from the USA, then if becomes twice as rich it will likely buy twice as much from the USA. In that sense, it's potentially an investment in future growth.

3) Aid can buy influence. This could be viewed in a cynical sense, that the USA is directly paying a country to support US objectives. It could also work in more benign sense to breed general goodwill towards and appreciation of the USA, which may result in the populace being more friendly to the USA, it's culture, etc. with potential political, cultural and diplomatic advantages.

 

[CaitSeith]

Before closing the border, U.S. should overhaul their farming industry, because it is in no condition to satisfy all the demand that will suddenly befall on them if the border is closed. Worst case scenario, people will have to make long queues in hopes of getting their groceries like if they were living in 1980 Soviet Poland.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Before closing the border, U.S. should overhaul their farming industry, because it is in no condition to satisfy all the demand that will suddenly befall on them if the border is closed. Worst case scenario, people will have to make long queues in hopes of getting their groceries like if they were living in 1980 Soviet Poland.

Why close the border at all? There is no actual point to doing this. Not only will it cause food shortages, it can put smaller businesses out of business all together. We have US businesses that rely on products coming over that border to stay in business. We have US businesses who need to ship products across that border to stay in business. This isn't even doing anything to address illegal immigration, it negatively impacts legal immigration, tourism, and commerce more than anything else.

Trump has already been negatively impacting US tourism as it is, this would make it even worse.

Tourism to U.S. under Trump is down, costing $4.6B and 40,000 jobs

The downturn has also caused America to lose its spot as the world's second-most popular destination for foreign travel, ceding to Spain. (France is in first place).

International tourism to the U.S. began to wane after Trump took office, leading to a so-called "Trump slump."

Experts say that Trump's proposed travel bans, anti-immigration language, and heightened security measures have had a negative impact on the U.S.'s attraction for foreign visitors.

?It?s not a reach to say the rhetoric and policies of this administration are affecting sentiment around the world, creating antipathy toward the U.S. and affecting travel behavior,? Adam Sacks, the president of Tourism Economics, told The New York Times.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/tourism-u-s-down-trump-took-office-costing-4-6-n840326

You would think a man that owns hotels, resorts and casinos would understand how important international travel is to so many US businesses.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Wonder if this would be a vote loser, he'd directly and immediately and obviously hurt lots of US citizens, including his supporters. Plenty of stuff he's done has hurt his supporters, of course, but this one seems like there's little room for shifting the blame compared to some of his other stuff.

 

[CaitSeith]

Before closing the border, U.S. should overhaul their farming industry, because it is in no condition to satisfy all the demand that will suddenly befall on them if the border is closed. Worst case scenario, people will have to make long queues in hopes of getting their groceries like if they were living in 1980 Soviet Poland.

Why close the border at all?

Beats me. He likes power plays, so if he thinks he can close the border and get away with it, he'll do it. Closing the border will have dire consequences; but not for Trump.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

You would think a man that owns hotels, resorts and casinos would understand how important international travel is to so many US businesses.

Yeah and how many times have those ventures you mention gone bankrupt? Are we convinced he really knows how hotels, resorts and casinos actually work?

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

I see it as just plain PR. Trump's job is to keep Trump in office and try to win next election. His supporters aren't going to think things through, they're going to see it as a strong anti-immigration move and that's it. So yeah I think it's just a stupid flashy appeal to his base without any concern for the real effects

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

As some may remember a Federal Court ordered Trump's administration to stop separating Children from their families at the border, and ordered them to reunify the families they broke up.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-orders-u-s-reunite-families-stop-border-separations-n886861

A Federal court also just ruled that Trump can no longer keep asylum seekers off of US soil in Mexico once they have sought asylum in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/federal-judge-blocks-trump-administration-program-forcing-asylum-seekers-to-remain-in-mexico-while-awaiting-court-hearings/2019/04/08/68e96048-5a42-11e9-a00e-050dc7b82693_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.28e8d70ad9a0

Trump Apparently had a falling out with his appointed DHS because they were refusing to break law and act in contempt of court.

Trump Demands Homeland Security Secretary Who Will Break the Law

CNN reports that Trump ?becoming increasingly unhinged? in his demands to Nielsen, and kept making demands incompatible with ?legal, humanitarian and international realities.? The president personally instructed border agents to defy the law and simply not let migrants in. A senior administration official explains, chillingly, ?At the end of the day, the President refuses to understand that the Department of Homeland Security is constrained by the laws.?

The New York Times adds that Trump?s demands included ?things that were clearly illegal, such as blocking all migrants from seeking asylum,? but that any such explanation by the Homeland Security Secretary ?only infuriated Mr. Trump further.? And NBC reports that Trump has demanded that Nielsen reinstate the family-separation policy, but she has resisted on the grounds that it would violate the executive order Trump signed last June.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-kirstjen-nielsen-fired-homeland-illegal.html

Not only would expanding family separation be against his executive order, it would be against the ruling of the court. Not only was his current DHS cruel and illegal, apparently it was not cruel and illegal ENOUGH for Trump, so he wants people who are willing to be even more ruthless and illegal to be in control.

Trump not only wants to reinstate child separations, he wants to expand it:

Trump wants to increase family separations at border

President Trump wants to restart and expand his administration?s hardline policy of separating children from their families at the Mexican border, which he thinks is the most effective way to stop asylum seekers from entering the US, a new report said Monday.

The president has urged administration officials to get tougher on asylum-seeking families from Central America since January, NBC News reported, citing a trio of sources familiar with White House discussions on the matter.

Trump?s outgoing Homeland Security secretary, Kirstjen Nielsen, resisted ? putting her at odds with the president and apparently sealing her fate, as Trump forced her out following a tense weekend meeting.

Two of the sources told the network that Nielsen told Trump that federal court orders prohibited the DHS from reinstating the policy and that he would be reversing his own executive order from June that ended the much-maligned practice of ripping children away from their families.

Trump has pushed the tougher stance since the beginning of the year, when the numbers of asylum seekers crossing the border began rising.

https://nypost.com/2019/04/08/trump-wants-to-increase-family-separations-at-border/


This was already shown to be illegal and not to work, but he just digs in making it worse. Him ordering the DHS to commit illegal activities should be an impeachable offense if we had anyone else in congress, but for some strange reason criminal activity, danger to national security, and having everything that comes out of his mouth being a lie is somehow acceptable behavior for this president when it would not be for anyone else.

You would think a man that owns hotels, resorts and casinos would understand how important international travel is to so many US businesses.

Yeah and how many times have those ventures you mention gone bankrupt? Are we convinced he really knows how hotels, resorts and casinos actually work?

Your right, when he actually ran his businesses they went bankrupt, he had to actually hire other people to do that for them to get into the black. The only thing he knows how to do is run everything he says and touched into the ground.