[Politics][Humor] FREEDOM GAS!

[Hawki]

Ah yes. The freedom to pollute without paying.

The freedom to have one's head in the tar sands while the planet's burning.

The freedom to hold onto fossil fuels as long as possible.

The freedom to act like complete morons.

Cue "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme, because within my lifetime, chances are we won't have a habitable (for humans) planet left, because we've got morons at the steering wheel.

 

[Anti-American Eagle]

I actually really like this. It's an entertaining change at the least. Now I can always claim I'm grilling with Freedom! Or huffing FREEDOM!

 

[IceForce]

Ah yes. The freedom to pollute without paying.

The freedom to have one's head in the tar sands while the planet's burning.

The freedom to hold onto fossil fuels as long as possible.

The freedom to act like complete morons.

Cue "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme, because within my lifetime, chances are we won't have a habitable (for humans) planet left, because we've got morons at the steering wheel.

Why do you hate freedom?

 

[Hawki]

Ah yes. The freedom to pollute without paying.

The freedom to have one's head in the tar sands while the planet's burning.

The freedom to hold onto fossil fuels as long as possible.

The freedom to act like complete morons.

Cue "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme, because within my lifetime, chances are we won't have a habitable (for humans) planet left, because we've got morons at the steering wheel.

Why do you hate freedom?

Because I'm one of those dirty reds/cultural marxists/socialists/green fascists that you've probably heard about.

 

[Gergar12_v1legacy]

Ah yes, natural gas, the rich douchebag's solution to climate change.

 

[Trunkage]

We can't talk though. Remember when Tony Abbott tried rebranding Coal-burning power plants as using 'Clean-Coal'?

In fairness, there was also a push to reduce or capture emissions (which the Greens opposed, because of course they did). "Clean Coal" is a lie, "Cleaner Coal" not so much. Not nearly as good as replacing coal with renewables, significantly better than what we had.

I liked when he called it brown coal like it's better than normal.

Also, I liked when Morrison brought in a chunk of coal into parliament as a cross to scare away the coal heretics

 

[generals3]

So, we have clean coal, freedom gas, whats next? Patriotic oil? Holy Soybeans?

 

[Squilookle]

So, we have clean coal, freedom gas, whats next? Patriotic oil? Holy Soybeans?

I predict a turn for the worse for labelling renewables.

Maoist Solar, Bolshevik Wind, Commie Hydro. Probably represented as a trio of comic book villains.

 

[McElroy]

Cue "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme, because within my lifetime, chances are we won't have a habitable (for humans) planet left, because we've got morons at the steering wheel.

C'mon dude, I've got some prime beach lots to sell to you. Marshall Islands sounds like a good place to retire, no?

Anyway, we will probably use up all natural gas and almost all oil. Oil shale and coal should be left in the ground.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

Guys, come on, April Fool's was a couple months ago, you missed your chance for jokes

 

[DarthCoercis]

We can't talk though. Remember when Tony Abbott tried rebranding Coal-burning power plants as using 'Clean-Coal'?

In fairness, there was also a push to reduce or capture emissions (which the Greens opposed, because of course they did). "Clean Coal" is a lie, "Cleaner Coal" not so much. Not nearly as good as replacing coal with renewables, significantly better than what we had.

Can't find any info about the greens opposing a push to reduce emissions, only their opposing Rabbott's reduction of target levels. My google-fu appears to be weak, can ya give me some more context please?

 

[Thaluikhain]

We can't talk though. Remember when Tony Abbott tried rebranding Coal-burning power plants as using 'Clean-Coal'?

In fairness, there was also a push to reduce or capture emissions (which the Greens opposed, because of course they did). "Clean Coal" is a lie, "Cleaner Coal" not so much. Not nearly as good as replacing coal with renewables, significantly better than what we had.

Can't find any info about the greens opposing a push to reduce emissions, only their opposing Rabbott's reduction of target levels. My google-fu appears to be weak, can ya give me some more context please?

Yeah, googling it isn't that helpful, as the name of the party is "Greens", and "Green" is going to come up in any discussion of the subject.

Anyway, there was a push some years back for CO2 sequestration (my dad worked on that). Instead of letting the CO2 go into the atmosphere, you collect (some of) it and stick it somewhere else. A worked out coal mine, for example, the remaining coal is absorbent (not unlike how filter masks use activated charcoal). This is far from a perfect solution, so the Greens opposed it, but far better than the current system of letting it all into the atmosphere, so I strongly disagree with them on this.

Apparently this is not contained to Australia: https://theconversation.com/capturing-carbon-to-fight-climate-change-is-dividing-environmentalists-110142

Now, while I respect the Greens for bringing attention to environmental issues, they consistently fail at providing workable solutions, and get in the way of people trying to make things better because they aren't going to make things perfect. OTOH, outside green issues, the Greens are a lot better, because there are lots of social issues that require simple and obvious solutions.

 

[Eacaraxe_v1legacy]

I liked when he called it brown coal like it's better than normal.

Uh...not sure about the context, but "brown coal" is just another way to refer to lignite. Which, based on the little bit of Googling I did about the relevant statements, seems like the term was used accurately if not misleadingly, considering lignite is the least efficient and dirtiest form of coal, and the most dangerous form to mine, handle, and transport as it's pretty volatile. It's barely better than straight-up burning peat; if I remember my maths right, burning it in HELE ("clean") plants is still a net emissions increase compared to even sub-bituminous coal in traditional processes.

It'd be like calling tar sands "clean oil". Which, yes, actually happens.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Is freedom gas what comes out when you fart after eating freedom fries?

 

[DarthCoercis]

Yeah, googling it isn't that helpful, as the name of the party is "Greens", and "Green" is going to come up in any discussion of the subject.

Anyway, there was a push some years back for CO2 sequestration (my dad worked on that). Instead of letting the CO2 go into the atmosphere, you collect (some of) it and stick it somewhere else. A worked out coal mine, for example, the remaining coal is absorbent (not unlike how filter masks use activated charcoal). This is far from a perfect solution, so the Greens opposed it, but far better than the current system of letting it all into the atmosphere, so I strongly disagree with them on this.

Apparently this is not contained to Australia: https://theconversation.com/capturing-carbon-to-fight-climate-change-is-dividing-environmentalists-110142

Now, while I respect the Greens for bringing attention to environmental issues, they consistently fail at providing workable solutions, and get in the way of people trying to make things better because they aren't going to make things perfect. OTOH, outside green issues, the Greens are a lot better, because there are lots of social issues that require simple and obvious solutions.

Yeah, it's weird that The Greens have some incredibly good social and even economic ideas, while their ideas around thing they were originally formed around, environmental protection, can be... hmmm... lackadaisical... at best.

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I liked when he called it brown coal like it's better than normal.

Uh...not sure about the context, but "brown coal" is just another way to refer to lignite. Which, based on the little bit of Googling I did about the relevant statements, seems like the term was used accurately if not misleadingly, considering lignite is the least efficient and dirtiest form of coal, and the most dangerous form to mine, handle, and transport as it's pretty volatile. It's barely better than straight-up burning peat; if I remember my maths right, burning it in HELE ("clean") plants is still a net emissions increase compared to even sub-bituminous coal in traditional processes.

Former Australian Prime Minister Phoney Rabbott had a very... loose... association with truth, to the point where he was regularly accused of being Rupert Murdoch's ventriloquist dummy (except for when it came to homophobia and extreme christianity), especially on immigration, which was kind of odd given that he himself was an immigrant. He certainly wasn't on the level of Trump when it comes to telling lies, but enough to cause problems.

 

[Pseudonym]

That sounds like a horrible euphemism for WMD's, but I see it is merely a horrible euphemism for something that kills lots of people indirectly.

 

[Terminal Blue]

When the revolution comes, I vote we lock them all in a small room and let them breathe it.

 

[Wintermute_v1legacy]

merica

 

[Dalisclock]

That sounds like a horrible euphemism for WMD's, but I see it is merely a horrible euphemism for something that kills lots of people indirectly.

I'm reminded that Hideo Kojima created a Metal Gear game featuring giant, nuclear armed autonomous(controlled by an AI) fail-deadly Mech and called it "Peace Walker". Which feels strangely realistic because I can totally see the US government creating a walking WMD and giving it a name with the word "Peace" in it.

 

[Pseudonym]

That sounds like a horrible euphemism for WMD's, but I see it is merely a horrible euphemism for something that kills lots of people indirectly.

I'm reminded that Hideo Kojima created a Metal Gear game featuring giant, nuclear armed autonomous(controlled by an AI) fail-deadly Mech and called it "Peace Walker". Which feels strangely realistic because I can totally see the US government creating a walking WMD and giving it a name with the word "Peace" in it.

https://youtu.be/8TCjgmqL38Y?t=163

Or freedom or liberty. To be fair, this is not just the US. The democratic peoples republic of north korea also exists, and isn't.