[POLITICS] Incident in Canada regarding a transgender woman sueing for not getting a brazilian wax.

[Specter Von Baren]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/canadas-ball-waxing-horror-show-peak-transgen-activism/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/salon-forced-to-close-after-refusing-to-wax-transgender-females-male-genitalia

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/07/transgender-woman-files-complaints-when-womens-salons-wont-wax-her-male-genitalia/

Thoughts on this?

For my part I feel like the woman, Marcia Da Silva, is completely within her right here since her business is (Or was) run out of her home and also has religious reasons to not touch male genitals alongside not having any training in waxing male genitals. But what about the rest of it? Anyone have any particular thoughts?

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

How do you even brazillian wax a dick. I'm pretty sure she'd burn his balls off if she tried to wax him like how you do vaginas.

 

[Hawki]

Sounds like he's being a...dick.

Joke aside, I'm more with the business owner here. Refusing to wax someone because they're transgender? Fair enough. Refusing to wax their dick, which, among other things, is something they have no training with? Yeah, I'm with her there.

On a side note though, the link to the college campus guidelines stuff from one of the articles is even more insane.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Not familiar with Canadian law. I guess the right to refuse service isn't a thing there and/or doesn't apply to this situation?

Anyway, yeah. This seems less like a gender rights issue and more of an issue of practicality.

 

[Trunkage]

How do you even brazillian wax a dick. I'm pretty sure she'd burn his balls off if she tried to wax him like how you do vaginas.

It's essentially the same. It's not that hot and the waxing process doesnt hurt that much. They overdramatise it in movies. The shaft hurts more than the balls, the skin isnt as taught and that means its overal harder. Obviously, if you become erect this would make it easier (but probably more sensetive) but you would be immediately evicted

OT: The religious thing I dont care about. BUT there is probably some training you need to do to make sure it doesnt hurt that much. I am not an expert either way. As stated, an erections leads to immediate ejection from a clinic. I dont know how this would be seen in court, especially went its at home and there is no one to call.

The fact that she does this to business serially is a factor that needs to be taken into account. She sounds like a troll. Also, topless swims for teenagers? WTF. Someone has found a loophole and is trying to exploit it

 

[Saelune]

How do you even brazillian wax a dick. I'm pretty sure she'd burn his balls off if she tried to wax him like how you do vaginas.

Her.

 

[Saelune]

My thoughts on this is that anti-LGBT people will use this as an excuse to hate on LGBT people.

Edit to expand on my thoughts:

One, you need better sites. No wonder you disagree with me so often, that first link alone is some toxic bigoted BS.

Second, the problem is her excuses. Sure, there was the practical and reasonable 'I am not equipped or trained to do this', but then she cites being 'uncomfortable' doing it. Fuck off. Religion too is a garbage excuse. If your religion prevents you from doing your job, quit.

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

If the bussiness never handled(heh) penises and balls before, i can sorta imagine how the employees might've refused. Risk of the injury also includes the risk of being sued over it, so they picked the option where someone doesn't get physically hurt.
But all i know about brazilian waxing is from seeing the effects of it, so i'm out of the element here.

 

[Abomination]

Sounds like an example of an entitled twat attempting to become a professional serial litigator.

I feel "I am trained in waxing vaginas, not dick and balls" to be a valid excuse to not wax said genitalia.

 

[Hawki]

Second, the problem is her excuses. Sure, there was the practical and reasonable 'I am not equipped or trained to do this', but then she cites being 'uncomfortable' doing it.

I think you'll find that most people are uncomfortable handling penises.

Religion too is a garbage excuse. If your religion prevents you from doing your job, quit.

It never was her job until someone turned up demanding that she make it her job.

 

[Silent Protagonist]

I've already seen plenty of right wing types frame this in the "regressive" narrative with statements like "progressives think women should be forced to touch male genitals against their will" and stuff like that. It also probably doesn't help that this is a case of a lesbian transwoman which tends to be divisive even among progressives.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

So if waxing a guys balls would be considered 'giving an intimate service' do they also refuse to wax a lesbians vadge?

Its an interesting issue but if they stuff they're saying about this guy lieing about what they look like, being on a period and topless swimming teens is all true they sound like an asshole (who happens to be transgender).

Of course the right will put them on a pedastal for everyone to see to pretend all trans people are like that. The living strawman has emerged.

 

[Saelune]

Second, the problem is her excuses. Sure, there was the practical and reasonable 'I am not equipped or trained to do this', but then she cites being 'uncomfortable' doing it.

I think you'll find that most people are uncomfortable handling penises.

Religion too is a garbage excuse. If your religion prevents you from doing your job, quit.

It never was her job until someone turned up demanding that she make it her job.

Most people actually probably are not uncomfortable handling penises, considering about half have them, and a majority of those who don't are attracted to people who do have penises, but that's more just a 'showerthought'.

Her job is waxing people's bodies. Not like she was some random person, she was allegedly a proffesional waxer. (I say allegedly, since she clearly lacked proffesionalism in how she handled this)

Plenty of jobs I would never take cause I dont think I could handle it.

 

[Saelune]

I've already seen plenty of right wing types frame this in the "regressive" narrative with statements like "progressives think women should be forced to touch male genitals against their will" and stuff like that. It also probably doesn't help that this is a case of a lesbian transwoman which tends to be divisive even among progressives.

I think people should do the jobs they have and that religion is not an acceptable excuse to not do your job.

 

[Silent Protagonist]

I've already seen plenty of right wing types frame this in the "regressive" narrative with statements like "progressives think women should be forced to touch male genitals against their will" and stuff like that. It also probably doesn't help that this is a case of a lesbian transwoman which tends to be divisive even among progressives.

I think people should do the jobs they have and that religion is not an acceptable excuse to not do your job.

I think there are plenty of non-religious reasons to be unwilling to wax someone's balls. Even so, I don't think this woman was using her religion as an excuse to not do her job anymore than the owner of a Kosher deli/butcher would not be doing their job by refusing to serve pork products or shellfish even though to a non-religious person just sees those as another kind of meat that they could reasonably expect to find in a meat shop.

 

[Trunkage]

I've already seen plenty of right wing types frame this in the "regressive" narrative with statements like "progressives think women should be forced to touch male genitals against their will" and stuff like that. It also probably doesn't help that this is a case of a lesbian transwoman which tends to be divisive even among progressives.

I think people should do the jobs they have and that religion is not an acceptable excuse to not do your job.

I think there are plenty of non-religious reasons to be unwilling to wax someone's balls. Even so, I don't think this woman was using her religion as an excuse to not do her job anymore than the owner of a Kosher deli/butcher would not be doing their job by refusing to serve pork products or shellfish even though to a non-religious person just sees those as another kind of meat that they could reasonably expect to find in a meat shop.

As long as it's not based on religion, I'm fine with that excuse. From my experience, males and females are usually treated differently in salons based on what people are willing to deal with.

I do wonder if some will spin it to be about religious freedom and that's what loses the case.

My thoughts on this is that anti-LGBT people will use this as an excuse to hate on LGBT people..

Yep, bad actors making issue difficult. The line does need to be drawn somewhere and going through the court is usually the most official way. I hope this person realises how much damage they are doing to their cause/ people. I'm fine with people calling Marcia a her but that doesn't negate the current genetalia she has.

I wonder if in the future the delineation with just focus on genetalia and not male/ female

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Second, the problem is her excuses. Sure, there was the practical and reasonable 'I am not equipped or trained to do this', but then she cites being 'uncomfortable' doing it.

I think you'll find that most people are uncomfortable handling penises.

Religion too is a garbage excuse. If your religion prevents you from doing your job, quit.

It never was her job until someone turned up demanding that she make it her job.

Most people actually probably are not uncomfortable handling penises, considering about half have them, and a majority of those who don't are attracted to people who do have penises, but that's more just a 'showerthought'.

What a rapey sounding sentence.

"Women shouldn't be uncomfortable with penises, they're attracted to them aren't they? A stranger showing a woman his penis should be seen as a compliment" (to be read in J Jonah Jameson's voice).

If a woman doesn't want to touch your penis she shouldn't have to touch your penis.

 

[Abomination]

I think there are plenty of non-religious reasons to be unwilling to wax someone's balls. Even so, I don't think this woman was using her religion as an excuse to not do her job anymore than the owner of a Kosher deli/butcher would not be doing their job by refusing to serve pork products or shellfish even though to a non-religious person just sees those as another kind of meat that they could reasonably expect to find in a meat shop.

A religious reason seems like a perfectly valid cause to not be forced to handle a penis against one's will. Heck, I don't think anyone should be obligated to handle a penis against their will - or a vagina for that matter.

This salonist (sp?) agreed to a job where they would be waxing vaginas, not penises. Waxing a vagina vs. waxing a penis is likely a lot more passive than a penis. I mean, there are a lot more moving parts with a penis, and the surface of the testicles are not as flush as a vagina. It's a far more complicated "procedure", also greater surface area. One's like painting a fence, the other is like painting the front of a house - patio and all.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

If a woman doesn't want to touch your penis she shouldn't have to touch your penis.

I'll add onto that: Just because a woman has a job waxing the mons pubis area on women doesn't mean they're obligated to do so for the penis and scrotum area on another client, regardless of that client's gender orientation.

I think people should do the jobs they have and that religion is not an acceptable excuse to not do your job.

I think many of us are arguing that this is not within her job description, no matter how much the plaintiff may wish that to be the case. And that the plaintiff has portrayed themselves in a very unsympathetic manner and as such they are being ridiculed for it and their claims.

 

[Silent Protagonist]

I think there are plenty of non-religious reasons to be unwilling to wax someone's balls. Even so, I don't think this woman was using her religion as an excuse to not do her job anymore than the owner of a Kosher deli/butcher would not be doing their job by refusing to serve pork products or shellfish even though to a non-religious person just sees those as another kind of meat that they could reasonably expect to find in a meat shop.

As long as it's not based on religion, I'm fine with that excuse. From my experience, males and females are usually treated differently in salons based on what people are willing to deal with.

I do wonder if some will spin it to be about religious freedom and that's what loses the case.

My thoughts on this is that anti-LGBT people will use this as an excuse to hate on LGBT people..

Yep, bad actors making issue difficult. The line does need to be drawn somewhere and going through the court is usually the most official way. I hope this person realises how much damage they are doing to their cause/ people. I'm fine with people calling Marcia a her but that doesn't negate the current genetalia she has.

I wonder if in the future the delineation with just focus on genetalia and not male/ female

I don't really understand why it matters whether her reasons were religious or not. Unless I'm misinformed, this salon didn't offer male genital waxing to anyone. It would be different if it was something like "my religion says people with your eye color are bad so no waxing for you" but from what I can tell this women wasn't comfortable handling the penises of strangers and I don't think that's unreasonable. I don't think it matters whether or not her reason is "God says it's bad to touch the penises of strangers" or she has a pathological fear of penises or whatever. As long as she isn't comfortable with it she shouldn't be forced to do it, especially over something as trivial as body hair removal.