[politics] Neo Nazi's trying to sell Air to Air missle on WhatsApp?!

[Leg End]

Not gonna lie. If I had the funds, I'd buy one of those just to flex.

Not gonna lie either. I'm kinda experiencing a weapons boner.

Bolt actions and Steyr TMP pistols? The randomness of the weapons is somewhat telling. Not sure what to think of it.

I give em props for having more varied inventory than some local gun shops, even subtracting the full-autos and the... giant fucking missile.

I'm sure with a bit of technical know-how you could strip out the explosive and rig it as an improvised device.

You can, but that's kind of a waste. Much better off just making or otherwise securing general explosives, rather than taking them out of a far more valuable device.

The second most odd thing being sold recently, after those bottles of used gamer girl bath water.

I think the means are the actual odd thing about this. This kind of stuff is probably a lot more common than most realize, just the others tend to not get caught with the good shit.

Pfft, that's nothing. NATO lost six nuclear warheads during the Cold War that were never recovered or accounted for. Up to fifty Soviet warheads disappeared in the collapse of the USSR and Eastern Bloc. If I remember right, a leading theory in the case of Iran's and NK's nuclear programs is they were kickstarted by reverse engineering illegally-trafficked Soviet nukes.

Nuclear materials, all the way from power plant waste to weapons-grade uranium and plutonium, are still hot black market items. Pun intended. Nuclear materials go missing constantly with no leads; as far as I know, there's never been an arrest made for the plutonium theft from two years ago in San Antonio.

God bless Kojima for helping bring this kind of info to future generations.

 

[Frezzato]

An unusually large weapon was moved from country to country unnoticed or via bribery, incompetence, or specific intent.
That's the real problem here. That's what disturbs me.

Pfft, that's nothing. NATO lost six nuclear warheads during the Cold War that were never recovered or accounted for. Up to fifty Soviet warheads disappeared in the collapse of the USSR and Eastern Bloc. If I remember right, a leading theory in the case of Iran's and NK's nuclear programs is they were kickstarted by reverse engineering illegally-trafficked Soviet nukes.

Nuclear materials, all the way from power plant waste to weapons-grade uranium and plutonium, are still hot black market items. Pun intended. Nuclear materials go missing constantly with no leads; as far as I know, there's never been an arrest made for the plutonium theft from two years ago in San Antonio.

Yes, broken arrows. And a broken up Soviet Union. There's a nuke buried in the sandy shallows off of Georgia somewhere.

But past history does not make recent events any less disturbing.

Considering the fact that cars are stolen and shipped illegally overseas (it was big a few decades ago), this isn't surprising really. I mean the size of the stolen missile. And there's the tragic cost of human trafficking. Shipping containers full of people. Greed is always a driving factor.

Best case scenario is the missile was stolen at the point of origin, not sold. I hope it wasn't sold. Then again, who knows what lies were told every time the missile changed hands? Can you imagine the ridiculous conversations that might have taken place?

"Who's this for? You understand you need a jet for this to--"

"It's for my friend. He's super into military tech--"

"Yeah, yeah. Just gimme my money."

 

[Agema]

All those cities are northern Italy, which is 'Ndrangheta.

'Ndrangheta are Calabrian, southern Italy: Taranto, etc. They're active in Northern Italy, but it's not the heart of their operations.

 

[Tireseas_v1legacy]

"Who's this for? You understand you need a jet for this to--"

"It's for my friend. He's super into military tech--"

"Yeah, yeah. Just gimme my money."

My concern when I read this story is that while it's far more likely that the NeoNazis were likely some kind of middleman for the "end user" of this particular weapon, there is a unpleasant plot in the back of my mind that is designed to trigger some kind of race riots between minority Muslim communities and white communities, likely in France.

Spoiler: Semi-Conspiratorial

Rig the missile as an IED, move it into a Muslim-heavy neighborhood in a semi-truck (the missile could easily fit into a cargo container, possibility even in a delivery van) and hit a mosque or apartment building while there's a lot of people around, then detonate it. Even if the Nazis are determined to be the real culprits, the materials would be traced back to France, further sowing distrust between these communities and the government. Some extremest-leaning groups would likely spread conspiracy theories (intentionally or earnestly) about governmental complicity or direction in the plot, creating an atmosphere of paranoia and anger among those who due to family, social, and/or economic circumstances would already be primed for extremism. Eventually one goes further than others and succeeds in a plot, which repeats and reinforces this dynamic as more and more become receptacle for more extreme ideas and ideology. etc.

This is not a new idea. The idea of making the other side more extreme to bolster support for your side is a fairly common recruitment tactic for extremists, notably in white nationalist and counterpart ISIS-style extremest movements, where the extremism of their side feeds into the other side and visa-versa.

Still far fetched overall, but given the number of white nationalists who seem interested in starting a race-war, not outside the realm of the possibility.

As for how to transport it: shove it in a cargo container, which will get it through most ports if it even needs to. It doesn't even look long enough to be an issue for most vans other than its presumed weight.

 

[Satinavian]

While everyone seems to be happy to call them Neo-Nazis, they are actually Forza Nuova. Extremely far right, nationalistic, anticapitalist, antiliberal, antiamerian. The want to get out of the Nato and otherwise back to some glorified Italy that never was. There are some reasons to call them fascists, but they are far closer to Mussolini than to Nazis.

Calling them Neonazis is, while inaccurate, close enough. But when talking about their motivation and Mafia-involvement, well :

- They don't really about civil unrest in France. Or much about anything outside of Italy at all.

- They are (among other things) extremely opposed to the Mafia. Anti-Mafia-measures are important talking point for their political arm.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

While everyone seems to be happy to call them Neo-Nazis, they are actually Forza Nuova. Extremely far right, nationalistic, anticapitalist, antiliberal, antiamerian. The want to get out of the Nato and otherwise back to some glorified Italy that never was.

Unless you count Ancient Rome of course. And its all academic because they're fucking doolally.