[Politics] TRUMP IS GUILTY

[Saelune]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/mueller-if-we-had-confidence-that-the-president-did-not-commit-a-crime-we-would-have-said-so-841450/

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/29/robert-mueller-did-not-determine-if-trump-committed-crime.html

Mueller's remarks, which lasted 10 minutes, reiterated the key conclusions of the Special Counsel's report, including he and his team could not determine whether President Trump committed a crime. "If we had confidence that the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so," he said.

It is not a question of guilt. It is a question of whether or not the Republican US President is Above the Law.

Mueller, unable to truly put country above party also resigns. Mueller is a Republican.

TRUMP. IS. GUILTY.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

I think the thing that stuck out to me was 'We couldn't determine if he president committed a crime. But we did get several other co-conspirators'
Like...what? What conspiracy? You just said you didn't find enough evidence to indict the president, how could you have found enough evidence of that exact crime(conspiracy and obstruction of justice) to charge other people?

Also good luck not testifying. Subpoenas are not to be ignored by private citizens.

 

[generals3]

Your title is misleading. Nothing states Trump is guilty, it states it cannot be affirmed he's innocent. There's quite a difference. Off course Trump's tweet which states "Nothing changes from the Mueller Report. There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed! Thank you." does make it sound like he isn't innocent...

 

[Eacaraxe_v1legacy]

Okay, judging from the multiple other threads on this topic in R&P and here, you're not willing to actually engage in any sort of discussion of any sort on this topic. What, exactly, is your goal here? Why create multiple threads on the same topic, when you know well they're inflammatory, and aren't willing to actually discuss the topic?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Also good luck not testifying. Subpoenas are not to be ignored by private citizens.

Who enforces that, though, and are they in cahoots?

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Also good luck not testifying. Subpoenas are not to be ignored by private citizens.

Who enforces that, though, and are they in cahoots?

As far as I can tell the Master at Arms of the House. He/She has the power to arrest people who refuse subpoenas.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Oh dear...its that time of the day for Sealune...another Trump thread.

No offense.

 

[bluegate]

Cool beans.

Wake me up when he's in jail and out of the white house.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Cool beans.

Wake me up when he's in jail and out of the white house.

Please be voted out of office by a Democratic Candidate. I am tired of Trump Mania at the moment.

 

[Schadrach]

Your title is misleading. Nothing states Trump is guilty, it states it cannot be affirmed he's innocent. There's quite a difference.

Not to Saelune. That he's Republican even means that the burden of proof should be lower than if he were Democrat, because equality.

Also good luck not testifying. Subpoenas are not to be ignored by private citizens.

Who enforces that, though, and are they in cahoots?

For a Congressional subpoena from the House? The Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives, currently Paul D. Irving.

Cool beans.

Wake me up when he's in jail and out of the white house.

That can't happen until either you can convince a GOP Senate to vote against him, he loses in 2020, or he finishes a second term. Best odds is on him losing in 2020, but only if the Dems put forward someone who can actually get people outside the coasts to vote for them. Otherwise, unless they take the Senate or get some truly damning evidence that will risk GOP Senators losing their seats if they ignore we are stuck with him till 2024.

 

[Saelune]

Your title is misleading. Nothing states Trump is guilty, it states it cannot be affirmed he's innocent. There's quite a difference. Off course Trump's tweet which states "Nothing changes from the Mueller Report. There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed! Thank you." does make it sound like he isn't innocent...

Okay, judging from the multiple other threads on this topic in R&P and here, you're not willing to actually engage in any sort of discussion of any sort on this topic. What, exactly, is your goal here? Why create multiple threads on the same topic, when you know well they're inflammatory, and aren't willing to actually discuss the topic?

Your title is misleading. Nothing states Trump is guilty, it states it cannot be affirmed he's innocent. There's quite a difference.

Not to Saelune. That he's Republican even means that the burden of proof should be lower than if he were Democrat, because equality.

Also good luck not testifying. Subpoenas are not to be ignored by private citizens.

Who enforces that, though, and are they in cahoots?

For a Congressional subpoena from the House? The Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives, currently Paul D. Irving.

Cool beans.

Wake me up when he's in jail and out of the white house.

That can't happen until either you can convince a GOP Senate to vote against him, he loses in 2020, or he finishes a second term. Best odds is on him losing in 2020, but only if the Dems put forward someone who can actually get people outside the coasts to vote for them. Otherwise, unless they take the Senate or get some truly damning evidence that will risk GOP Senators losing their seats if they ignore we are stuck with him till 2024.

We aren't robots, we are people. Mueller has said if he was innocent, he would say he was innocent, but because the Department of Justice has the position of 'The Sitting President is above the law/cannot be persecuted by the law' so he refuses to outright say he is guilty.

The only way anyone can read that Trump is not guilty is because they are Pro-Trump.

 

[Saelune]

Oh dear...its that time of the day for Sealune...another Trump thread.

No offense.

Its not the time of the day, it is the time where Mueller has all but literally said the words that Trump is guilty. Otherwise I would not have made a new topic that once again confirms what every left-winger knew since before day 1.

 

[Saelune]

Okay, judging from the multiple other threads on this topic in R&P and here, you're not willing to actually engage in any sort of discussion of any sort on this topic. What, exactly, is your goal here? Why create multiple threads on the same topic, when you know well they're inflammatory, and aren't willing to actually discuss the topic?

When the opposition to me has something other than a load of lies and bullshit, I will have a discussion with it. The facts are against Trump's side as they have always been.

People just dont like that I am not afraid to call them out. That I am unapologetic in being right. That I dont say please and thank you to those who support a President who wants to oppress me and millions of others.

 

[Leg End]

God why Okay, cursory glance basically says... as it says. No clear confidence in making the assertion without a doubt that Donald didn't break the law. Yet none in the other direction either. Back in square 1 of this circus. Great waste of money that this has been.

That can't happen until either you can convince a GOP Senate to vote against him, he loses in 2020, or he finishes a second term. Best odds is on him losing in 2020, but only if the Dems put forward someone who can actually get people outside the coasts to vote for them.

I'm reminded of a bit of Lewis Black standup I wish I had a clip for. In short, it was talking shit at the Republicans for putting Bush forward, but also shitting on the Democrats for managing to not put someone forward that could beat Bush in a reelection, despite the incredible ease at which one could do so. In short, I'm seeing a repeat of 2004 happening here. Trump is supposedly Hitler, but the Dems can't find someone that can defeat Hitler and instead choose to shove all these idiots in the funnel to see what works, but now they've gone and clogged the funnel with people that probably couldn't beat him anyway. Next year is going to be very entertaining.

 

[Saelune]

God why Okay, cursory glance basically says... as it says. No clear confidence in making the assertion without a doubt that Donald didn't break the law. Yet none in the other direction either. Back in square 1 of this circus. Great waste of money that this has been.

That can't happen until either you can convince a GOP Senate to vote against him, he loses in 2020, or he finishes a second term. Best odds is on him losing in 2020, but only if the Dems put forward someone who can actually get people outside the coasts to vote for them.

I'm reminded of a bit of Lewis Black standup I wish I had a clip for. In short, it was talking shit at the Republicans for putting Bush forward, but also shitting on the Democrats for managing to not put someone forward that could beat Bush in a reelection, despite the incredible ease at which one could do so. In short, I'm seeing a repeat of 2004 happening here. Trump is supposedly Hitler, but the Dems can't find someone that can defeat Hitler and instead choose to shove all these idiots in the funnel to see what works, but now they've gone and clogged the funnel with people that probably couldn't beat him anyway. Next year is going to be very entertaining.

Gore beat Bush. The Supreme Court beat Gore.

 

[Leg End]

Gore beat Bush. The Supreme Court beat Gore.

Electoral College, narrow victory in any department, moving on. That they couldn't find someone to beat Bush in the 2004 election is no less completely jaw dropping, and the Democrats are on the same path to repeating history. If their candidate loses in 2020, they will never live it down as long as the party continues to exist.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Oh dear...its that time of the day for Sealune...another Trump thread.

No offense.

Its not the time of the day, it is the time where Mueller has all but literally said the words that Trump is guilty. Otherwise I would not have made a new topic that once again confirms what every left-winger knew since before day 1.

I just want this show to end already. 4 more years of Trump is gonna be exhausting.

 

[Saelune]

Gore beat Bush. The Supreme Court beat Gore.

Electoral College, narrow victory in any department, moving on. That they couldn't find someone to beat Bush in the 2004 election is no less completely jaw dropping, and the Democrats are on the same path to repeating history. If their candidate loses in 2020, they will never live it down as long as the party continues to exist.

A foreshadowing of the Fall of 'Democracy' in America.

 

[Saelune]

Oh dear...its that time of the day for Sealune...another Trump thread.

No offense.

Its not the time of the day, it is the time where Mueller has all but literally said the words that Trump is guilty. Otherwise I would not have made a new topic that once again confirms what every left-winger knew since before day 1.

I just want this show to end already. 4 more years of Trump is gonna be exhausting.

I want the US to become what it always pretended it was, a melting pot of diversity and equality. Even if everyone turned on Trump today, we are still far from where we should have already been.

 

[Leg End]

A foreshadowing of the Fall of 'Democracy' in America.

Never been a straight Democracy. If you're actually majority opinion, drown the Elephants.