Skyrim probably will take it whenever it comes out. Elder Scrolls always wins several game of the year awards.
Interesting. I'm at least as excited for the game as you are no doubt, but I would flip flop the two games there.tigermilk said:LA Noire. Well I am hoping that it turns out to be another GTA IV not another RDR (such a fucking dissapointment).
Sports, racing and fighting games are all like thatLetalisK said:By this logic many JRPGs, MMOs, strategy games, racing games, fighting games, and sports games are also frauds. Or I could go with the explanation that companies have found set ups that a certain contingent of players enjoy and will pay for games using similar set ups, thus the company produces more of those games so there really is no actual fraud involved. But that would make too much sense. My personal taste is LAW. DOWN WITH JRPGS!Mikeyfell said:snip
If that's what consumers want, then give it to them. When they get tired of it, they'll come up with something new. Just because you don't like what those consumers like doesn't make the developers bad for tailoring their games to that audience.Mikeyfell said:If there was some innovation in the AAA market developers could knock themselves out making shitty insubstantial FPS games but more and more devs are migrating towards CoD than away from it.
Your point is broken.LetalisK said:If that's what consumers want, then give it to them. When they get tired of it, they'll come up with something new. Just because you don't like what those consumers like doesn't make the developers bad for tailoring their games to that audience.Mikeyfell said:If there was some innovation in the AAA market developers could knock themselves out making shitty insubstantial FPS games but more and more devs are migrating towards CoD than away from it.
That doesn't even come close to even bending my point. You're obviously not the only one who wants something new and interesting(which isn't mutually exclusive with liking sequels and "knockoffs" btw), but the demand for those other games is stronger. The games you cited are generally successful(or in the case of the non-released come from successful lines) and what people want. If they didn't, people wouldn't buy it, profits would be lost, and the developers would move on to something new. Just because it's not what you or your minority like doesn't make it bad. If you have a problem with the games being put out or the direction the industry is taking then don't buy the games, find a source that is putting out the games you like, and maybe even go make a game that is what you want. Going off on the industry and painting them as bad people, and by extension the consumers too, just makes you look bad. They are here to please as many people as possible. You aren't always going to be in that group.Mikeyfell said:Your point is broken.LetalisK said:If that's what consumers want, then give it to them. When they get tired of it, they'll come up with something new. Just because you don't like what those consumers like doesn't make the developers bad for tailoring their games to that audience.Mikeyfell said:If there was some innovation in the AAA market developers could knock themselves out making shitty insubstantial FPS games but more and more devs are migrating towards CoD than away from it.
I am part of that consumer base, am I the only one that wants something interesting in a game?
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Do you get what I'm saying?
The games industry has stagnated and lots of the blame lies on the CoD's and the GTA's and the GoW's.
I just want to see something new for fucks sake!
Some of the best games out there are sequels, as they have the benefit of refined gameplay and already defined world and characters.Mikeyfell said:Your point is broken.LetalisK said:If that's what consumers want, then give it to them. When they get tired of it, they'll come up with something new. Just because you don't like what those consumers like doesn't make the developers bad for tailoring their games to that audience.Mikeyfell said:If there was some innovation in the AAA market developers could knock themselves out making shitty insubstantial FPS games but more and more devs are migrating towards CoD than away from it.
I am part of that consumer base, am I the only one that wants something interesting in a game?
Does it bother you that 90% of all the games available on the 360 can be described as either "sequel" or "clone" or "rushed out cash-in"
I Mean look at the quarter 1 predictions for Game of the Year
Portal 2=Sequel
Minecraft=knockoff
Mass Effect 3=knockoff and sequel
Uncharted 3=knockoff and sequel of a knockoff
Killzone 3=knockoff and sequel
Dragon Age 2=sequel and rushed out cash-in
Battlefield 3=sequel and knockoff
even the more popular wright-ins
L.A. Noire= knockoff
Skyrim= sequel
Batman Arkham City= Sequel
All of them are sequels except for Catherine and I honestly couldn't tell you what that game's about. I'm looking forward to playing it.
Do you get what I'm saying?
The games industry has stagnated and lots of the blame lies on the CoD's and the GTA's and the GoW's.
I just want to see something new for fucks sake!
Who's talking about movies?Spencer Petersen said:Some of the best games out there are sequels, as they have the benefit of refined gameplay and already defined world and characters.Mikeyfell said:Your point is broken.LetalisK said:If that's what consumers want, then give it to them. When they get tired of it, they'll come up with something new. Just because you don't like what those consumers like doesn't make the developers bad for tailoring their games to that audience.Mikeyfell said:If there was some innovation in the AAA market developers could knock themselves out making shitty insubstantial FPS games but more and more devs are migrating towards CoD than away from it.
I am part of that consumer base, am I the only one that wants something interesting in a game?
Does it bother you that 90% of all the games available on the 360 can be described as either "sequel" or "clone" or "rushed out cash-in"
I Mean look at the quarter 1 predictions for Game of the Year
Portal 2=Sequel
Minecraft=knockoff
Mass Effect 3=knockoff and sequel
Uncharted 3=knockoff and sequel of a knockoff
Killzone 3=knockoff and sequel
Dragon Age 2=sequel and rushed out cash-in
Battlefield 3=sequel and knockoff
even the more popular wright-ins
L.A. Noire= knockoff
Skyrim= sequel
Batman Arkham City= Sequel
All of them are sequels except for Catherine and I honestly couldn't tell you what that game's about. I'm looking forward to playing it.
Do you get what I'm saying?
The games industry has stagnated and lots of the blame lies on the CoD's and the GTA's and the GoW's.
I just want to see something new for fucks sake!
Super Mario Bros 3, Legend of Zelda: OoT, Fallout 2, Morrowind, COD4, Diablo 2, Warcraft 3, Street Fighter 2 (I think), Metal Gear 3, Final Fantasy 7 etc.
If you want a new IP, expect a lot of trial and error and blind faith before its gameplay can stand up to the other stuff.
The problem is when you judge the games industry like the movie industry. The more franchise oriented setup has its benefits, as the studios don't have to keep reinventing the wheel when they make their new idea. A lot of modern movies are spiritual sequels, which siphon the originality and get none of the established characters and world that accelerates the pacing.
The games I cited are all similar to one game that was popular and people are stupid enough to pay for it every single time it's offered.LetalisK said:The games you cited are generally successful(or in the case of the non-released come from successful lines) and what people want.
I think it's bad for the entire human race when only a minority wants innovation.Just because it's not what you or your minority like doesn't make it bad.
Yes bashing someone for heartless profiteering is ridiculous.find a source that is putting out the games you like, Going off on the industry and painting them as bad people, and by extension the consumers too, just makes you look bad.
You honestly believe that they're trying to please anyone?They are here to please as many people as possible. You aren't always going to be in that group.
Pleasing as many people as possible and making money are not mutually exclusive, you know.Mikeyfell said:The games I cited are all similar to one game that was popular and people are stupid enough to pay for it every single time it's offered.LetalisK said:The games you cited are generally successful(or in the case of the non-released come from successful lines) and what people want.
Is Battlefield Bad Company 2 better than Modern Warfare? No. Did everyone buy B:BC 2 anyway? Yes.
Guaranteed profits for minimum effort inevitably leads to stagnation, which is what we're seeing now.
I think it's bad for the entire human race when only a minority wants innovation.Just because it's not what you or your minority like doesn't make it bad.
I know we're only talking about videogames but if an entire generation gets programed to seek out repetition and stagnation for the sake of entertainment human evolution is doomed.
Yes bashing someone for heartless profiteering is ridiculous.find a source that is putting out the games you like, Going off on the industry and painting them as bad people, and by extension the consumers too, just makes you look bad.
Those poor misunderstood Enron executives.
I will admit that I've been spoiled by high production values. Seeking out independently developed games just doesn't seem all that appealing to me. I like high resolution graphics and Dolby sound and that third dimension thing.
Epic Games or Infinity Ward should just give some Indy developers $1,000,000,000 and tell them to spruce up their games. I mean they can afford it.
You honestly believe that they're trying to please anyone?They are here to please as many people as possible. You aren't always going to be in that group.
They're not just trying to make as much money as possible?
Two things not being mutually exclusive doesn't automatically mean they happen together, you know.Trolldor said:Pleasing as many people as possible and making money are not mutually exclusive, you know.