Poll: A Diverse Life

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isometry

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Let me describe a person who has had a diverse set of experiences :

Interested in many sports at a young age, our subject cross - trained for strength and flexibility, speed and endurance (say, gymnastics, soccer, swimming, basketball). Not quite a star athlete in any one sport, our subject was considered to be solid in all of them, say in the top 10 %. Let' s suppose our subject is not lazy and gifted, but rather is genetically "normal" and has done well because of a natural motivation to be active for several hours a day.

Our subject develops the ability to speak, read, and write at a slightly younger than average age, our subject is considered to be bright but is no prodigy. Around age 6 or 7 our subject starts to seek our books on their own, and quite enjoys reading fiction (stories) and non - fiction (history, science, they want to know about the world, and also how it works).
After a childhood of naturally reading books of all kinds, our subject begins puberty and transitions from a bright, know - it - all type child, into a more self - concious teenager seeking social experiences, including dating. Our subject keeps their grades up, but doesn' t excel or place into gifted classes, doing what' s required for homework but not going beyond that, instead spending free time with (and thinking about) their friends.

During this time our subject also narrows down their interest in sports so that they can join one or two scholastic teams, say our subject concentrates on just basketball and makes the high school team. Our subject is a solid, reliable player, impressive at the high school level but not necessarily gifted enough to continue into college sports. At this age our subject is mostly interested in their sport and their friends/dates.
Our subject graduates high school at a time during which their country has a great need for military service members. Being in relatively good physical condition, and not feeling academically ready for college, our subject enlists and feels an enormous sense of personal growth in terms of maturity and discipline.

At the end of this period, our subject leaves the military on good terms, feeling satisfied with their contribution and feeling ready for new experiences.
Enrolling in a mid - level college, low tuition and savings from years past allow our subject to focus on the pursuit of learning, as opposed to following a course that leads directly to a career (our subject already had that in the military, they left because of wanting to pursue new things).

Surveying a variety of courses, our subject decides to try and study physics, to satisfy their curiosity about the world. Math was never an outstanding topic for our subject during their school days, but their curiosity about physics motivates them to approach the necessary mathematical topics with great zeal.

After great effort, a breakthrough! Our subject feels like their eyes have been opened to what truth and logic really have the potential to be. They see beauty in the theorems of mathematics, and feel wonder and amazement at how mathematics describes physical science. Of course these truths really belong to the world of abstract models, and to fully enjoy the truths our subject shifts their thinking to care more about abstractions than about the ordinary world around us.

Eventually, questions about the foundations of logic and physics lead our subject to study metaphysics in the philosophy department, asking questions that are stranger than ever : what really exists? what is space, what is time? what are the limits of certainty and knowledge?

After surveying the extent of major philosophical treatment of these questions, our subject feels a satisfaction in having pursued their deepest curiosities as far as the current state of human knowledge allows. This is an important time, our subject may not have answers to the deep questions they' ve always considered since childhood, but at last they are satisfied with having seen the best that history' s great thinkers have to offer on those subjects.
As our subject' s sense of fundamental curiosity has waned, their interest in civic duty and helping people has grown. Our subject shift' s their scientific endeavors from theoretical physics to practical subjects like chemistry, biology, and medicine. Training in math and physical modeling allows our subject to skip past years of memorization training in favor of simple descriptions of the underlying physical system, and manages to make some modest contributions to the field of medicine, say a certain improvement in a radiation based scanning technology.

At this point our subject realizes that they could make a bigger difference in helping people, not by doing research science, but rather studying topics like ethics, justice, law, and politics. Used to living in austerity during their student days, our subject does not pursue law and politics for personal gain, but rather our of civic responsibility and a desire to help people.

From this point onward, our subject becomes a lawyer, or judge, or senator, or even president. Assume also they get married, continue doing physical exercise, pursue literature, art, and music as hobbies, respect the traditions and religion of their family, and knows how to cut loose with friends, have a few beers, enjoy movies and videogames in moderation, etc.
Throughout their life our subject is a bright child, high school athlete, military veteran, mathematical physicist, medical researcher, judge/lawyer, and finally a politician. That's a birdseye view, but hopefully it sounds less random and impossible if you read the text above.
This story is closely based on the life of the ideal leader described in Plato's Republic, Book VII. This is also the part of the Republic that contains Plato's famous cave story, which in fact is a metaphor specifically for the life I just described.

http://www.crandallu.ca/courses/grphil/RepBookVII.htm

A truly amazing text, I recommend reading it (it' s only 10 - 20 pages, but the format takes some getting use to). Just when I think the story can't get any better, one of the best parts comes right at the end :

Glaucon : You are a sculptor, Socrates, and have made statues of our governors faultless in beauty.

Socrates : Yes, I said, Glaucon, and of our governesses too; for you must not suppose that what I have been saying applies to men only and not to women as far as their natures can go.

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This is an expression of full gender equality, by one of the top white - male western philosophers of all time, thousands of years before modern feminism. That' s why I wrote my text in a general neutral way, in tribute.
What do you think of this life ? It seems to contrast with the modern idea that people can be good at only one thing, and even then only if they were born talented ?

If you think it would be impossible for a person to be this diverse, why do you think that ? Even if this is an impossible to achieve ideal, isn' t at least something good to consider and strive for ? What about presidential elections in the united states, where politicians have to convince us that they are "ordinary folks", shouldn't we select extraordinary people with lives more like this ?
 

Belaam

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Really doesn't sound all that diverse.

Where's the bit where they hitchhiked around the country?

Perhaps worked seasonal menial labor jobs to experience that life?

Some time in a rural town and a major city?

Resided in the gay district of a major city and in a very religious region?

Attended or studied a variety of world religions?

Experimented with S&M, bi-sexuality, or something else of interest to them sexually?

Perhaps formed lasting friendships with men and women of a variety of different backgrounds and interests?

Perhaps form a romantic relationship beyond the subject's "assume they get married"? Perhaps a marriage of equals with someone who challenges them in ways they might otherwise be stagnant?

Lived in a country where they didn't speak the primary language or were physically very different from the average resident of that country?

Some sort of inquiry into the darker aspects of the military, politics, or law
 

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What I find most interesting is the lacking of artistic or otherwise creative pursuits. Practically speaking, eight years of full time school is super expensive.

Also, this made me chuckle.
Training in math and physical modeling allows our subject to skip past years of memorization training in favor of simple descriptions of the underlying physical system.
 

isometry

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Belaam said:
Really doesn't sound all that diverse.

Where's the bit where they hitchhiked around the country?

Great, include that too!

Resided in the gay district of a major city and in a very religious region?

Attended or studied a variety of world religions?

Experimented with S&M, bi-sexuality, or something else of interest to them sexually?

Perhaps formed lasting friendships with men and women of a variety of different backgrounds and interests?

Perhaps form a romantic relationship beyond the subject's "assume they get married"? Perhaps a marriage of equals with someone who challenges them in ways they might otherwise be stagnant?

Lived in a country where they didn't speak the primary language or were physically very different from the average resident of that country?

Some sort of inquiry into the darker aspects of the military, politics, or law
Honestly, I think all of those things sound excellent. I thought of writing a few of them, but the text was already getting too long.

All the points about sexual diversity also lead to a discussion I wanted to have about this, which is with people who support diversity in all kinds of endeavors but not in sexual ones. That is, someone who would praise a scholar-athlete but frown on someone who combines feminine and masculine experiences (however, clearly we both agree sexual diversity is good as well).

Also, you say "really doesn't sound all that diverse", is that a careful statement? I mean, I agree that I haven't described "the most diverse possible life", but surely this is more diverse than most of a life than most of us could hope to achieve. But I re-iterate that all the things you mention could also be included in the life above, I left them out more for lack of space than anything else. Darker side of military, politics, and law would absolutely be part of any philosophical approach to those subjects.
 

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Dags90 said:
What I find most interesting is the lacking of artistic or otherwise creative pursuits. Practically speaking, eight years of full time school is super expensive.
Yeah, Plato actually includes the study of music, and you may have missed the part where I said "hobbies include, literature, art, and music." Also, surely you didn't mean to imply that medical research is "uncreative", you don't really mean creativity is lacking because mathematics, etc is very creative, but your point that arts are less emphasized is true.

Dags90 said:
Also, this made me chuckle.

"Training in math and physical modeling allows our subject to skip past years of memorization training in favor of simple descriptions of the underlying physical system."
I didn't just make that up, actually, it's based on Richard Feynman, nobel prize winning theoretical physicist who at one point took up the study of biology and said he used his physical method of understanding to skip past years of memorization, and was awarded a honorary biology degree.
 

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isometry said:
I didn't just make that up, actually, it's based on Richard Feynman, nobel prize winning theoretical physicist who at one point took up the study of biology and said he used his physical method of understanding to skip past years of memorization, and was awarded a honorary biology degree.
I have a feeling he's very much not an ordinary person, and a poor basis of comparison. Yoko Ono has two honorary degrees.
 

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Dags90 said:
isometry said:
I didn't just make that up, actually, it's based on Richard Feynman, nobel prize winning theoretical physicist who at one point took up the study of biology and said he used his physical method of understanding to skip past years of memorization, and was awarded a honorary biology degree.
I have a feeling he's very much not an ordinary person, and a poor basis of comparison. Yoko Ono has two honorary degrees.
Sure, but I didn't specify that the subject of the original post was "ordinary." One of the poll options is "Most people couldn't achieve this, but some could approach it...", so I expected that to be some people's response.

Also, I guess the example about Yoko is to make the point that honorary degrees are often meaningless. Yes, that's true, but in Feynman's case it was not. In the biographical collection of anecdotes "Surely, you're joking Mr Feynman", they emphasize the exact point I'm making, that training in physics allows one to rapidly approach certain open problems in biology without memorizing the names of the parts of e.g. a cell. Take a specific example, like self-avoiding walks in a lattice (physics language) and protein folding (biology), or electrical networks and neuroscience. A physicist can rapidly create or understand a model of the brain as an electrical network, without being able to name the parts of a neuron.

I'm not saying that memorization is unimportant for all endeavors in biology, I'm saying it's possible to get to the forefront of producing new research for open questions in biology comparatively quickly if one already has a lot of training in physics and math.