Poll: A.I., traffic, and you

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Mordan Freeman

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How many times have you sat in traffic because of some accident by the side of the road or a merge on the highway got backed up? I think it'd be cool to sacrifice faster cars for more safe roads. The cars could be driven by A.I. and the whole traffic system would be programmed to be much safer than if the erratic drivers I see on the road today were allowed to continue their road rage.

What do you think?

Would taking a little longer to get places be worth safety on the roads (not to mention less traffic backups)?
 

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I voted A.I. for the same reasons you mentioned, but i really enjoy driving so i would hope for the iRobot style cars with a manual option or the A.I. if you want to relax a bit :)
 

TheComedown

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I'm a little bit of a technophobe, so I had to vote for human. There is to much risk for all the traffic being AI controlled, every car would have to be tracked by the AI, almost everyones location everywhere would be known at all times(unless they walk) and this, I think, sets up a system ready to be abused.
 

cyber_andyy

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TheComedown said:
I'm a little bit of a technophobe, so I had to vote for human. There is to much risk for all the traffic being AI controlled, every car would have to be tracked by the AI, almost everyones location everywhere would be known at all times(unless they walk) and this, I think, sets up a system ready to be abused.
Nope. AI's being developed only sense nearby cars.
 

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^=ash=^ said:
I voted A.I. for the same reasons you mentioned, but i really enjoy driving so i would hope for the iRobot style cars with a manual option or the A.I. if you want to relax a bit :)
Freakin' ninja'd! But yeah, the iRobot scene was all I needed to see to NOT want automated personal vehicles.
 

TheComedown

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cyber_andyy said:
TheComedown said:
I'm a little bit of a technophobe, so I had to vote for human. There is to much risk for all the traffic being AI controlled, every car would have to be tracked by the AI, almost everyones location everywhere would be known at all times(unless they walk) and this, I think, sets up a system ready to be abused.
Nope. AI's being developed only sense nearby cars.
That's not too much better, whats to stop some car pulling up behind you(or someone simply waiting on the side of the road), pulling out some sort of remote control and driving you into head on traffic or over the rail down the cliff or what not?

Not to to mention all the factors that would have to be considered on the go if the car only communicated to nearby cars. There is to many unknowns when only linked to nearby cars for it to be feasible, for AI cars to work, all cars would have to be AI and hooked up to a network of some sort.
 

Kiefer13

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I'm not sure that AI could fuck up much more spectacularly than humans already do, so why not? It would eliminate the problem of road rage, anyway. Drunk driving too.
 

Icecoldcynic

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TheComedown said:
I'm a little bit of a technophobe, so I had to vote for human. There is to much risk for all the traffic being AI controlled, every car would have to be tracked by the AI, almost everyones location everywhere would be known at all times(unless they walk) and this, I think, sets up a system ready to be abused.
Exactly my logic. I don't want the possibility of my location being accessed at any time.
 

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TheComedown said:
I'm a little bit of a technophobe, so I had to vote for human. There is to much risk for all the traffic being AI controlled, every car would have to be tracked by the AI, almost everyones location everywhere would be known at all times(unless they walk) and this, I think, sets up a system ready to be abused.
I'm a little bit of a humaphobe, so I had to vote for AI.
 

swolf

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And I thought I was the only one who thought this was a good idea. I mean, I've mentioned it a few times but never really heard others reciprocate the thought. "Great minds think alike"...so how did this happen? You sir (or lady) and this thread are both full of win!!! Also, how many times do people have to do die because some drunken idiot was driving, while talking on the phone, texting, changing their clothes, and doing their nails/makeup?
 

Uncompetative

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Motorway traffic needs to be slower.

Set the speed limit to suit Heavy Goods Vehicles not Cars and Motorbikes. Caravans should be only be legal on 'A' and 'B' roads. No tractors. Abnormal/Wide loads will require a police escort or Motorway closure.

Do all of this and there will be less accidents, not just because it will be safer in the wet, but because all the traffic will flow at roughly the same speed, there will be less need to overtake and no late-breaking causing phantom traffic jams.

A.I. just isn't necessary.
 

swolf

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TheComedown said:
I'm a little bit of a technophobe, so I had to vote for human. There is to much risk for all the traffic being AI controlled, every car would have to be tracked by the AI, almost everyones location everywhere would be known at all times(unless they walk) and this, I think, sets up a system ready to be abused.
Do you have a cell phone? They can track you by that. Do you have a watch, they can plant a bug and track you with that. Do you wear clothes? They can bug and track you with that. Do you ever step out into public? They can track you with that
(security cameras). Do you live on Earth? They can track via satelite. No matter what, they can track you and know what you're doing so don't stress about it. At least this "tracking" has a benefit.
 

TheComedown

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swolf said:
TheComedown said:
I'm a little bit of a technophobe, so I had to vote for human. There is to much risk for all the traffic being AI controlled, every car would have to be tracked by the AI, almost everyones location everywhere would be known at all times(unless they walk) and this, I think, sets up a system ready to be abused.
Do you have a cell phone? They can track you by that. Do you have a watch, they can plant a bug and track you with that. Do you wear clothes? They can bug and track you with that. Do you ever step out into public? They can track you with that. No matter what, they can track you and know what you're doing so don't stress about it. At least this "tracking" has a benefit.
They can plant a bug in anything but the difference is with most things they have to gain access to your possessions to do so (cept with GPS phones etc, and my phone is on the older side doesn't have internet access or GPS stuff, yes i know they can still track it, but they have to be pretty high up and are only able to do so when making/receiving a call (as far as I know), with the other stuff its not so hard to get into.)

Anyway you have misunderstood me,
I'm a little bit of a technophobe
It's not so much the being tracked thing that bugs me, its having an AI system in control of everything we do in our day to day lives that is also hooked up to a network and database somewhere else. The potential for abuse and destruction in such systems is greater then the destruction and abuse that exists now. Imagine terrorist attacks if all this stuff was in place, it wouldn't just slow down a nation, it has the potential to HALT an entire nation.
 

tahrey

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People making this sort of suggestion gives me The Fear.

No. Just no. Unless we can make them almost as smart as people but without the flaws. Have you seen what tends to happen in games when an accident actually does occur? They're not smart enough to turn around. How would they deal with pulling into or changing lanes in heavy traffic, when the available separation is less than the ideal? Can they sense children running into the road, or the marauding cyclists would would become kings of the road in our no-more-than-20mph-in-urban-centres utopia? Etc.

Plus something like that is very susceptible to interference by central administration. Talk smack about the government being a little more opressive than they used to be? Suddenly next time you decide to ride off to the shops, the doors have locked and you find yourself in dissident detention centre number 101. I was slightly worried about this sort of thing should Labour have won the election as they were quite happily wandering off down that road (even if it was just Project Veronica or whatever it's called, i.e. the vehicle tracking/auto speed limiting thing). There's all sorts of things wrong with Cons and Libs as well, but they're far less controlling.

You want to travel in a system where someone / something that's either highly drilled or specially programmed is in charge, go ride a bus or the DLR.

It also means motorcycles are pretty much banned because the control of them would be far more finicky and susceptible to alteration by the rider's posture. As a newb rider doing it for reasons of fuel-saving and travel time, I dislike that idea - if only because things would get slower, more expensive, and more environmentally threatening. The traffic and accident situation on our roads is far better than any of the paranoid types wanting to bring in all this stuff imagine. In 10 years and well over a million miles of driving I've only had 2, minor, non-accident collisions (caused by dipshits who shouldn't - and maybe hadn't - got their license), and not seen a great many more, and personally not even driven by anything that looked like it had caused death or serious injury. The traffic in my town tends to come from roadworks or sheer demand outstripping road-space supply, which an automated system wouldn't much improve unless it was very, very wide scale integrated to balance flows etc - and given that traffic lights already can/should be able to do that (and have been since the 60s... you've seen the Italian Job, yes?), I don't trust those in charge to get it right.

Anyway, if that was the plan you may as well just spend the money on genuine improvements to public transport provision, as it can shift far more people in the same space. (I'd commute by rail or bus if it was in any way a practical proposition, but getting to my workplace - which is still in the suburbs, just a near-rural and poorly served bit of them - would actually be more expensive than driving and take at least 3x longer)
 

Dys

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AI on current computers can't possibly outperform a competent human, and as such I'd have humans continue to drive, however only those that are competent (that is to say, the overwhelming majority of drivers[footnote]Potentially myself included, it's rather hard to judge oneself but I'd like to think I'm less retarded than most drivers.[/footnote] in and around Melbourne/Australia would have to relearn how to drive)

tahrey said:
People making this sort of suggestion gives me The Fear.

No. Just no. Unless we can make them almost as smart as people but without the flaws. Have you seen what tends to happen in games when an accident actually does occur? They're not smart enough to turn around. How would they deal with pulling into or changing lanes in heavy traffic, when the available separation is less than the ideal? Can they sense children running into the road, or the marauding cyclists would would become kings of the road in our no-more-than-20mph-in-urban-centres utopia? Etc.

Plus something like that is very susceptible to interference by central administration. Talk smack about the government being a little more opressive than they used to be? Suddenly next time you decide to ride off to the shops, the doors have locked and you find yourself in dissident detention centre number 101. I was slightly worried about this sort of thing should Labour have won the election as they were quite happily wandering off down that road (even if it was just Project Veronica or whatever it's called, i.e. the vehicle tracking/auto speed limiting thing). There's all sorts of things wrong with Cons and Libs as well, but they're far less controlling.

You want to travel in a system where someone / something that's either highly drilled or specially programmed is in charge, go ride a bus or the DLR.

It also means motorcycles are pretty much banned because the control of them would be far more finicky and susceptible to alteration by the rider's posture. As a newb rider doing it for reasons of fuel-saving and travel time, I dislike that idea - if only because things would get slower, more expensive, and more environmentally threatening. The traffic and accident situation on our roads is far better than any of the paranoid types wanting to bring in all this stuff imagine. In 10 years and well over a million miles of driving I've only had 2, minor, non-accident collisions (caused by dipshits who shouldn't - and maybe hadn't - got their license), and not seen a great many more, and personally not even driven by anything that looked like it had caused death or serious injury. The traffic in my town tends to come from roadworks or sheer demand outstripping road-space supply, which an automated system wouldn't much improve unless it was very, very wide scale integrated to balance flows etc. In which case you may as well just spend the money on genuine improvements to public transport provision. (I'd commute by rail or bus if it was in any way a practical proposition, but getting to my workplace - which is still in the suburbs, just a near-rural and poorly served bit of them - would actually be more expensive than driving and take at least 3x longer)
 

ethaninja

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Kinda both. I like driving. But for the reasons you said, I wouldn't mind A.I driving.
 

swolf

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TheComedown said:
swolf said:
TheComedown said:
I'm a little bit of a technophobe, so I had to vote for human. There is to much risk for all the traffic being AI controlled, every car would have to be tracked by the AI, almost everyones location everywhere would be known at all times(unless they walk) and this, I think, sets up a system ready to be abused.
Do you have a cell phone? They can track you by that. Do you have a watch, they can plant a bug and track you with that. Do you wear clothes? They can bug and track you with that. Do you ever step out into public? They can track you with that. No matter what, they can track you and know what you're doing so don't stress about it. At least this "tracking" has a benefit.
They can plant a bug in anything but the difference is with most things they have to gain access to your possessions to do so (cept with GPS phones etc, and my phone is on the older side doesn't have internet access or GPS stuff, yes i know they can still track it, but they have to be pretty high up and are only able to do so when making/receiving a call (as far as I know), with the other stuff its not so hard to get into.)

Anyway you have misunderstood me,
I'm a little bit of a technophobe
It's not so much the being tracked thing that bugs me, its having an AI system in control of everything we do in our day to day lives that is also hooked up to a network and database somewhere else. The potential for abuse and destruction in such systems is greater then the destruction and abuse that exists now. Imagine terrorist attacks if all this stuff was in place, it wouldn't just slow down a nation, it has the potential to HALT an entire nation.
Ohhh...okay. Like that would make it the perfect target for an attack considering one strike could cause a sh*tload of damage, chaos, and death? I didn't think about that...I kinda assumed they'd be smart enough to make it secure and have a failsafe set up for that scenario. Also, I don't think the "old cell phone" thing matters. They have ways of getting in, the gov't has people (i.e. Delta Force) who can break into a car and drive off as fast as you can with your keys.
 

DefunctTheory

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Uncompetative said:
Motorway traffic needs to be slower.

Set the speed limit to suit Heavy Goods Vehicles not Cars and Motorbikes. Caravans should be only be legal on 'A' and 'B' roads. No tractors. Abnormal/Wide loads will require a police escort or Motorway closure.

Do all of this and there will be less accidents, not just because it will be safer in the wet, but because all the traffic will flow at roughly the same speed, there will be less need to overtake and no late-breaking causing phantom traffic jams.

A.I. just isn't necessary.
That's the worst suggestion yet. None of those things you mentioned cause accidents on the highway/motorway. That's just... no.

yayforgiveaway said:
People are dumb computers aren't.
Computers shuffle ones and zeros. They are the dumbest things ever created.

Personally... no. This has the potential to be worse than SkyNet. On a more serious note, have you SEEN some of the AI driving drones they've made? They're horrible!