Poll: A question involving glitch exploitation.

[SharPhoe]

Before you get the idea, no, this isn't explicitly talking about those people who pull stuff like wave dashing in SSBM tourneys and say that it's a "testament of skill". I'm actually referring to something else.

While playing DMC4 on a friend's 360, I checked out the leaderboards and came across something that managed to leave me with an upturned stomach. I checked out the top 10 scores in Demon Hunter mode, and while places 10 through 2 had scores ranging from 3.5 to 4.5 million points, The score in 1st place was OVER 48 MILLION. Obviously, such a huge gap in scores isn't right, so I checked out the guy's individual scores over the course of his missions. 46 of that 48 million was scored in ONE mission (Mission 11, to be exact). I was left completely dumbfounded as to how this could've happened, as there were no obvious exploits in that mission that came to mind...

It doesn't stop there. I've also seen it happen in Ninja Gaiden II. Specifically, in the Survival Mode mission done with the Eclipse Scythe. The top three or four players have scores in the 4 mil+ range (when 2 mil is the requirement for a gold medal), and the amount of time they spent in the mission is less than 50 seconds. This is, by all means, impossible to do without some kind of trick, as should be obvious to anyone.

What I'm trying to ask here is, does anyone know about either of these glitches specifically? Or do you know of glitches that other people have exploited to get undeserved victories or attention in other games?

 

[pantsoffdanceoff]

I 'know about any of those glitches but somehow I got Lamb 2 Slaughter just for logging in to left 4 dead.

 

[SimuLord]

Depends. Exploit a glitch in a singleplayer game and that's called "developing a viable strategy against the AI." Do it in multiplayer and it's called "cheeser fag" (and quite a few even more politically incorrect things) and rightly so.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

I'd say, Beta Map.

 

[oliveira8]

I know someone that knew every single glitch in most Battlefield 1942 maps...it was so annoying...

 

[McClaud]

I hate people who exploit glitches for personal glory.

If you can't get a high score without the glitch, you just plain suck.

 

[Trivun]

If the glitch is there then surely we're within our rights to use it to win? I don't personally exploit glitches myself, but that's mainly because I don't know where they are or don't get a chance to use them. However, if you're smart enough to use it then surely it should count as part of your skills that you're able to do that? Most people who complain about it are sore losers, not to try and rile anyone here, but in all fairness I do know gamers who use glitches and they don't always win games even with that handy feature. It depends as much on skill whether you use glitches or not, and I hate to see things like this pop up suggesting that people who use glitches suck and don't know how to play the game. What is so bad about using the glitches, anyway? To me it shows a clear and tactical mind, knowing how to use glitches successfully isn't just something anyone can do. There's a difference between saying the 12 year old who fragged you on L4D or Gears 2 is lucky or a cheat, and between having a go at them if they managed to use the 'crazyass frag grenade chain reaction Quicktime Glitch of Doom' on you, especially if it's tough to actually do that (most glitches I'm aware of are tough to find or use anyway...).

 

[chakan]

Depends. Exploit a glitch in a singleplayer game and that's called "developing a viable strategy against the AI." Do it in multiplayer and it's called "cheeser fag" (and quite a few even more politically incorrect things) and rightly so.

And that's what it boils down to. In single player games there's really no such thing as "cheating", it's just messing with game parameters. But in multiplayer, where it's not just you that's playing, it changes things. In L4D there was a glitch that allowed players to skip a crescendo event (a big deal), and anytime I saw people running to do it, it ruined the game for me, especially in versus. So, I treated it like I was the only one left, and triggered it. Felt so good to see the enemy infected go straight for the three guys using the exploit.

 

[McClaud]

Stuff

To some degree, knowing how to exploit the glitch may seem like a viable strategy against real opponents since "Hey, it can be done - so why not?" But in reality, it allows a player to change the parameters of the game in their favor while the other players (if they don't exploit back) are still sticking to the original rules so to speak.

It's like adding an extra queen to the chessboard in advance. Unless all the other players are using extra queens, it's not really fair or viable. It's just saying, "Hey, I can get away with being an asshole by fixing the metagame outcome in my favor."

Now, in single player games, I don't care what you do, because really, it rarely affects my enjoyment of the game. You bend the rules on your own game all you want - but come to my server and glitch, you're history (banned).

 

[willard3]

Well, what the OP is referring to is probably the standard leaderboard hack. Online leaderboards for anything are dubious once you hit the top 1000 or so. I know the top couple people on CoD 4 and 5 actually have NEGATIVE hours on the game, so they are clearly hacking somehow.

In-game glitching is stupid and ruins gameplay, especially when the glitches allow you to shoot without fear of retaliation, i.e. the "under-the-map" glitches and the Makin rock glitch in CoD WaW. You are not playing the game the way it is meant to be played, and defending people by saying "it's a part of strategy" indicates that you deserve to be smacked. Hard.

 

[SharPhoe]

Stuff

To some degree, knowing how to exploit the glitch may seem like a viable strategy against real opponents since "Hey, it can be done - so why not?" But in reality, it allows a player to change the parameters of the game in their favor while the other players (if they don't exploit back) are still sticking to the original rules so to speak.

It's like adding an extra queen to the chessboard in advance. Unless all the other players are using extra queens, it's not really fair or viable. It's just saying, "Hey, I can get away with being an asshole by fixing the metagame outcome in my favor."

Now, in single player games, I don't care what you do, because really, it rarely affects my enjoyment of the game. You bend the rules on your own game all you want - but come to my server and glitch, you're history (banned).

I agree. I have no problem with glitching and whatnot when it only affects you (like Rare Candy cloning in the old Pokemon games, for example), but if you're gonna site here and bend/break the rules in a match and then berate me for "not being as good" (i.e. playing fair), then you can honestly take that load of bollocks elsewhere. It's part of the reason I don't enter tournaments.

 

[SharPhoe]

Well, what the OP is referring to is probably the standard leaderboard hack. Online leaderboards for anything are dubious once you hit the top 1000 or so. I know the top couple people on CoD 4 and 5 actually have NEGATIVE hours on the game, so they are clearly hacking somehow.

It's actually possible to hack the leaderboards? I did not know this.

 

[shaboinkin]

wasnt rocket jumping and conc jumping in tfc an exploit which turned out to be a major part of the game?

 

[Cortheya]

Geniuses i think they can be hilarious

 

[ejhio]

i put Geniuses
but really some times ppl need this gliches! like l4d when ppl is teaching noobs how to play >.<

 

[willard3]

Well, what the OP is referring to is probably the standard leaderboard hack. Online leaderboards for anything are dubious once you hit the top 1000 or so. I know the top couple people on CoD 4 and 5 actually have NEGATIVE hours on the game, so they are clearly hacking somehow.

It's actually possible to hack the leaderboards? I did not know this.

Yup. Check out some of the top places in some games and you'll see people who have impossibly high scores...IIRC, the kill leader in CoD4 has something like 100 million kills, when the person below him has something like 300,000.

 

[SharPhoe]

Well, what the OP is referring to is probably the standard leaderboard hack. Online leaderboards for anything are dubious once you hit the top 1000 or so. I know the top couple people on CoD 4 and 5 actually have NEGATIVE hours on the game, so they are clearly hacking somehow.

It's actually possible to hack the leaderboards? I did not know this.

Yup. Check out some of the top places in some games and you'll see people who have impossibly high scores...IIRC, the kill leader in CoD4 has something like 100 million kills, when the person below him has something like 300,000.

. . . *Sigh*.

I guess that answers my question as to how these things could happen. Sad, really.

 

[SharPhoe]

... and when you're doing that it's even worse because you are blatantly TRYING to cheat.

Yep. It's just like when a friend of mine was explaining exactly how to do things like Ninja-Flipping and weapon-sliding and Crab-walking in Gears of War 1. The way he explained exactly how you have to do each of those, it's obvious that coming across those glitches couldn't POSSIBLY be accidental, they were too complicated to be a mistake.

 

[McClaud]

wasnt rocket jumping and conc jumping in tfc an exploit which turned out to be a major part of the game?

It wasn't a glitch though. Learning to use something that everyone can use without resorting to a glitch is a viable strategy. Hence why TF2 caters to making more comical effects based on rocket jumping (the Soldier's feet smoke for a short period).

It's the exact same as cheating to me.. I don't see why anyone can see it any different.

I can. It's called, "rationalizing something so I don't feel like an utter douche and can pretend I'm superior when I do something that pisses off everyone else."

A lot of poor sports do it all the time so they can get away with whatever breaks the rules/crushes the spirit of the game. Since WINNING is the primary motivator, the means to the end don't matter.

 

[jimduckie]

that happened in the mercs2 leader boards how can a new game have high scores when the game is released that day ,and yes i bought it on the release day but it seems that ea failed to reset the boards something they should do to all of them just as a fairness to all not to bash those who worked hard to get there just have an honour role