Poll: A rant on Equality

[Midnight Crossroads]

As long as it isn't extremely out of place (see: Prince of Persia) and as long as the actor is good, and the script is good, I like to just enjoy the movie. On the topic of Asians, I think one of the primary reasons is that (i am not trying to be racist) for many Asian American people, English is not their first language, which can effect acting greatly. Furthermore, white people are in the majority weather you like it or not so it only makes logical sense that they would be the standard filler

EDIT: Why exactly are you boycotting Airbender? I mean I know it sucked, but boycotting?

I'd say it has to do with the reasons that M. Night cast white actors. He said they fit the characters, and ended up having some of the worst acting most people had ever seen. The few Asians that were present somehow all ended up piled into roles in the Fire Nation.

 

[Serenegoose]

Another factor is heavy pressure to assimilate from within minority communities. Some Asian Americans would consider making a heavily Asian themed or casted movie to represent a failure to assimilate, something to be shamed.

It's largely the result of a years of psychological research and focus groups. I really wanted to make a "relatability" thread that dealt with this after so many people said they couldn't relate to a Gay Main Character in that thread.

Edit: This thread won't go anywhere. Any sort of thread that brings up minorities in this board almost always results in "OMG WHITE HETEROSEXUAL MALE PERSECUTION!"

If accusations of an -ism is the only social problem you were born into, you've got it pretty good. Congrats.

Couldn't have said it better myself. People tend to be blind to their own privileges.

 

[titankore]

Im tired of being stereotyped as a racist asshole because my skin colour is white.

Im tired of ignorant little shits who run around crying "OOH LAAWD DA WHITE MAN IS DA DEVIL" just because life isn't going the way they want at the moment.

sorry your privilege is showing. Not everyone white is racist but they don't have to deal with these issues like other groups unless they move to an non white country. You can actually go down the street and not have a bunch of assholes make squinty eyes at you going HCIN CHONG CHU, or saying "hide your dog he will eat it"!

edit: then there was the camera that refused to take a picture because it thought my eyes were closed becuase they couldn't be bothered to test it on an asian.

 

[Swny Nerdgasm]

Im tired of being stereotyped as a racist asshole because my skin colour is white.

Im tired of ignorant little shits who run around crying "OOH LAAWD DA WHITE MAN IS DA DEVIL" just because life isn't going the way they want at the moment.

sorry your privilege is showing. Not everyone white is racist but they don't have to deal with these issues like other groups unless they move to an non white country. You can actually go down the street and not have a bunch of assholes make squinty eyes at you going HCIN CHONG CHU, or saying "hide your dog he will eat it"!

So your saying white people in America never have had to deal with race issues? I call bullshit

 

[Kenko]

Im tired of being stereotyped as a racist asshole because my skin colour is white.

Im tired of ignorant little shits who run around crying "OOH LAAWD DA WHITE MAN IS DA DEVIL" just because life isn't going the way they want at the moment.

sorry your privilege is showing. Not everyone white is racist but they don't have to deal with these issues like other groups unless they move to an non white country. You can actually go down the street and not have a bunch of assholes make squinty eyes at you going HCIN CHONG CHU, or saying "hide your dog he will eat it"!

edit: then there was the camera that refused to take a picture because it thought my eyes were closed becuase they couldn't be bothered to test it on an asian.

Well, we're I come from Sweden. You'll get attacked and beat up by arabs and foreigners (for no reason other then them wanting to beat you up)simply because you're swedish, so that ive not ever had to deal with racism and bullshit like that? Yeah, you're an ignorant shit. And I dont believe its any different in the US either.

 

[Dags90]

So your saying white people never have been race issues? I call bullshit

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that white people don't face the same issues as minorities. Quit straw manning.

If you're white and in the majority you've probably never been asked to provide "the white perspective" or considered how your actions would reflect upon your race as a whole, and whether or not you're a "credit to your race."

 

[Swny Nerdgasm]

So your saying white people never have been race issues? I call bullshit

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that white people don't face the same issues as minorities. Quit straw manning.

If you're white and in the majority you've probably never been asked to provide "the white perspective" or considered how your actions would reflect upon your race as a whole and whether or not you're a "credit to your race."

I'm not straw-manning "but they don't have to deal with these issues like other groups unless they move to an non white country." boom right there according to him white people in white countries don't have to deal with any type of racially motivated discrimination.

 

[Krion_Vark]

5. How many movies have you seen where the original person/character was Asian but was cast with a white actor? And I don't mean can be interpreted as Asian I mean in real life they were Asian or its about an Asian character who was explicitly written as Asian.
Probably dozens and more to come, don't believe me here is a list.
EXAMPLES
Charlie Chan
Sixteen candles
Extraordinary measures: based on real life doctor was Asian played by Harrison ford
21: also real life
I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry
mOTHER FUcKiNG AKIRA: Damn you DiCaprio!!!!ITS NEOTOKYO

Two things about this. Yes the main doctor was Asian but he also had A LOT of help Harrison Ford's character WAS all of those people rolled into one it was not just based off the MAIN doctor. So that kills your argument for that movie.
Also Akira. Takes place in LA they announced that around the time they announced the movie so No the main character in that is not necessarily Asian. They are doing a movie COMPLETELY different from the Anime Movie but it fallows the same basic concept and that's about it.

 

[Dags90]

I'm not straw-manning "but they don't have to deal with these issues like other groups unless they move to an non white country." boom right there according to him white people in white countries don't have to deal with any type of racially motivated discrimination.

You're either strawmanning (badly) or need some serious reading comprehension lessons.

He said that white people don't have to deal with the issues like other groups, not that they don't have to deal with them at all.

 

[Krion_Vark]

edit: just so you know INDIANS are not the Same as all other Asians Technically since India is geologically not connected to the Asian continent its not even considered part of asia.

Going off your edit. Neither is Japan but you are considering them ASIAN. Asia includes EVERYONE from Turkey and Russia all the way over to Korea and Japan guess what country is in between there INDIA so India is part of Asia.

 

[titankore]

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Two things about this. Yes the main doctor was Asian but he also had A LOT of help Harrison Ford's character WAS all of those people rolled into one it was not just based off the MAIN doctor. So that kills your argument for that movie.
Also Akira. Takes place in LA they announced that around the time they announced the movie so No the main character in that is not necessarily Asian. They are doing a movie COMPLETELY different from the Anime Movie but it fallows the same basic concept and that's about it.

Actually it was based off Dr. Chen they even copied his habit of listening to rock music when he got stuck and dozens of other personal traits.
And with Akira that is a form of yellowfacing, there are three major types,
1. you take a white guy and give him make up to look asian
2. they simply state he is asian in his name and the way he acts and hope no one cares he is white.
3. You change the role so a white person fits, this is what happened with AKIRA, Extraordinary Measures, and The Weapon.

 

[Fangface74]

How many Caucasians lead Bollywood productions? It's all about appealing to the main demographic, yes studio attitudes are archaic but it's simply a matter of remembering your audience.

 

[Mikeyfell]

Mmmmmm...waffles!
Most white people are stupid, (don't worry I'm white, I can say that)

look at the character descriptions form Left 4 Dead
Francis, a stereotypical biker
Bill, a Vietnam Veteran
Zoey, a university student
Louis, a black guy

white people think a race is a character trait
so, if a lead is already a complex person adding a race will make him, or her, too complex for the average white audience to understand.

it's not a conscience choice, I promise
I am a white guy who writes stories and I initially imagine all my characters as white
I'm not proud of it, it just happens. I have to really think about changing them later on.

and whitewash isn't exclusively American.
Look at Anime, which comes from Japan.
all those characters look like white people too

so don't blame Hollywood, blame white people, they can't relate to anyone but them selves.

I have another example form a video game
in Dragon Age Origins I made a black human noble. and both my parents, and brother where super white. just how close to the family was Duncan anyway?

 

[titankore]

Mmmmmm...waffles!
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I believe that you are brilliant and I now declare you the winner of the thread.

 

[titankore]

How many Caucasians lead Bollywood productions? It's all about appealing to the main demographic, yes studio attitudes are archaic but it's simply a matter of remembering your audience.

There is a difference in India its almost entirely Indian people about 95%, in America white people make up only 50-60% of the population and the other part is broken down into other races. Asians in general make up 8-12% of the population.
So white people are still the largest group but aren't the only group, and with current population trends in less then 20 yrs they will be a minority

 

[Fangface74]

So white people are still the largest group but aren't the only group

If you want to make money, you appeal to the largest group, a horrible non-progressive sentiment of course but my previous comment stands.

 

[Krion_Vark]

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Two things about this. Yes the main doctor was Asian but he also had A LOT of help Harrison Ford's character WAS all of those people rolled into one it was not just based off the MAIN doctor. So that kills your argument for that movie.
Also Akira. Takes place in LA they announced that around the time they announced the movie so No the main character in that is not necessarily Asian. They are doing a movie COMPLETELY different from the Anime Movie but it fallows the same basic concept and that's about it.

Actually it was based off Dr. Chen they even copied his habit of listening to rock music when he got stuck and dozens of other personal traits.
And with Akira that is a form of yellowfacing, there are three major types,
1. you take a white guy and give him make up to look asian
2. they simply state he is asian in his name and the way he acts and hope no one cares he is white.
3. You change the role so a white person fits, this is what happened with AKIRA, Extraordinary Measures, and The Weapon.

I will say on Extrodenary Measures AGAIN. Harrison Ford's character is based off the ENTIRE TEAM. The main doctor they took a lot of influence for the character but there was a WHOLE FUCKING TEAM. Yeah they have a lot of mannerisms from Dr. Chen but there are also a lot of other doctors that were involved. You are racial profiling yourself here seeing as how you haven't done any more research into these movies besides what you know from what other people have said.

Also again on Akira. They are not yellow facing. They are not just changing the location and hoping no one notices they announced this movie how long ago? 4-5 years now? Don't movies come out like 1-2 years after they are announced? They are writing an ENTIRELY new story an entirely new location and an entirely new set of characters they are not just taking Akira and moving it to LA from Tokyo they are redoing everything so it only shares the name of the Anime from the 80's.

 

[Dags90]

If you want to make money, you appeal to the largest group, a horrible non-progressive sentiment of course but my previous comment stands.

I'm white and I don't have any trouble relating to characters of other races, and I like to think that most white people don't either. The success of movies which are an exception to the rule like Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle, anything starring Will Smith, etc. seem to show white people can relate to minorities. To me it seems that publishers and producers are bowing down to a segment of white people, which is probably a minority in absolute terms (at least in the U.S.).

At that point it's not about appealing to a majority, it's about appealing to a minority because the others will just take what they're given.