"I know I personally am pretty much totally relaxed when playing single-player"Misericorde said:When did I say that?Metalmacher said:Lightspeaker said:Competition leads to increased aggression and a desire and drive to win. Who'd have thought it?Misericorde said:
In other words, I fully agree with this post. Its not "video games", its competition. I know I personally am pretty much totally relaxed when playing single-player, but if I play multiplayer nerves can fray a bit. Look at the average football match and how wound up people can get. Especially the Ultras which can result in people getting STABBED for supporting the opposing team [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/4808246.stm].
You don't get angry when playing single players? Really? You don't get angry when you play an old school platformer, or a souls game, or a Ys game, or Monster Hunter or whatever other hard games are out there? I call bullshit.
Poll: Aggression and Video Games
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This is a difficult one, isn't it?
From my own personal perspective I can assure you that some competitive games can indeed cause mild short-term aggression. I remember getting incredibly worked up after losing undeservedly on FIFA before. Obviously the disappointment and aggression soon fades away and things return to normal.
I am not sure that you can say that this is down to video games though, as surely anyone would feel the same way when playing a real-life competitive sport? I remember also getting rather worked up playing football on the beach when I was a teenager.
From my own personal perspective I can assure you that some competitive games can indeed cause mild short-term aggression. I remember getting incredibly worked up after losing undeservedly on FIFA before. Obviously the disappointment and aggression soon fades away and things return to normal.
I am not sure that you can say that this is down to video games though, as surely anyone would feel the same way when playing a real-life competitive sport? I remember also getting rather worked up playing football on the beach when I was a teenager.
Not in my case at least. I play games to relax and escape reality for a bit. Sometimes a game can make me frustrated (not angry), which causes me to stop playing and do something else until I can overcome said frustration. The only thing that can make me angry is other players in multiplayer (cheaters, griefers, etc) or people disrupting my personal time without a good reason.
So summarize: Games don't make me angry, but people sometimes do. If people get angry due to playing video games, I don't understand why they bother playing. I would guess that people who get angry due to playing video games are prone to anger regardless.
So summarize: Games don't make me angry, but people sometimes do. If people get angry due to playing video games, I don't understand why they bother playing. I would guess that people who get angry due to playing video games are prone to anger regardless.
I honestly don't know if games cause aggression and frankly I don't care if they do. I do however know something that definitely causes aggression for me: Busybodies attempting to justify vilification of my chosen form of entertainment in a veil thin attempt to justify putting restrictions on it with such flimsy rationale's as "It might cause aggression".
As a victim of violent video games, my aggression has reached inhuman levels and I have somehow managed to cause more destruction and murder than there has ever been recorded through history.
On a more serious note. Both yes and no, depending on context. But mostly no.
If anything it's an outlet for aggression. You get to act out destructive behavior in a virtual environment where nobody gets hurt. From personal experience, like many others, I can conclude that all the violent video games I've played hasn't made me any more agressive than I used to be. Even though it's hilarious to go on a killing spree in GTA or mod Skyrim so I can murder children, I know I'd never do it in real life because I can differenciate between the real world and video games.
However, there are times where games can be frustratingly difficult, and in that sense I do suppose they could cause aggression to some degree. But that's more a question of whether you're an aggressive person in general already.
On a more serious note. Both yes and no, depending on context. But mostly no.
If anything it's an outlet for aggression. You get to act out destructive behavior in a virtual environment where nobody gets hurt. From personal experience, like many others, I can conclude that all the violent video games I've played hasn't made me any more agressive than I used to be. Even though it's hilarious to go on a killing spree in GTA or mod Skyrim so I can murder children, I know I'd never do it in real life because I can differenciate between the real world and video games.
However, there are times where games can be frustratingly difficult, and in that sense I do suppose they could cause aggression to some degree. But that's more a question of whether you're an aggressive person in general already.
A certain MOBA comes to mind as the #1 offender for me; it definitely causes aggression. As stated in previous posts it's the competitiveness more than the games themselves but single player games cause some too.
But if anything this has taught me how to control my aggressive behavior that much better. The cost of losing your cool in a video game is substantially reduced compared to real life... but it teaches you that whatever you are trying to accomplish is only going to get harder when you give in to anger.
This all being said, I just had to rebuild my computer due to a raid failure... and that was 10x more rage inducing than ANY game I've yelled at!
But if anything this has taught me how to control my aggressive behavior that much better. The cost of losing your cool in a video game is substantially reduced compared to real life... but it teaches you that whatever you are trying to accomplish is only going to get harder when you give in to anger.
This all being said, I just had to rebuild my computer due to a raid failure... and that was 10x more rage inducing than ANY game I've yelled at!
The only aggression games cause to people is losing to a really difficult game (Looking at trying to get Big Boss Emblam in MGS 4)
Still, don't hooligans have a ton of other reasons to be aggressive as well, like drugs, alcohol, and having a bone to pick with everyone on the planet? Personally, I think they just use football as a place to act on their aggression.spartandude said:
Yo, OP, without a definition of what kind of aggression we are talking about, this does mean nothing at all.
There were several studies proving short-term aggression when playing games, and several disproving long-term aggression. So, is this any news?
There were several studies proving short-term aggression when playing games, and several disproving long-term aggression. So, is this any news?
I wouldn't say they make me immediately angry, but I sometimes wonder if they have an influence on my daily revenge fantasies. You know, the ones where someone wrongs you somehow, and you're walking away thinking about how great it would have been to stand up to him and put him in his place?
I haven't read all of the comments so someone has probably already said my point but oh well.
Yes, video games raise aggression. You know what else raises aggression? Sports, board games (hello monopoly you little devil you), books, social interaction and reading things on the internet. Aggression is a huge catch all term and it can be measured by tracking brain activity. The argument that this is a problem is what is bull because you then have to do something about all the "perfectly acceptable" things that also cause aggression to not look hypocritical.
Yes, video games raise aggression. You know what else raises aggression? Sports, board games (hello monopoly you little devil you), books, social interaction and reading things on the internet. Aggression is a huge catch all term and it can be measured by tracking brain activity. The argument that this is a problem is what is bull because you then have to do something about all the "perfectly acceptable" things that also cause aggression to not look hypocritical.
People who are already aggressive because of their life situations will be attracted to something that can act as a release valve. In my late teens I was seething with inner pressure and anger and played very violent games, watched very violent movies.
I would not touch these types of games today.
It's interesting that people assume that nothing can come from within, it must start from without.
I would not touch these types of games today.
It's interesting that people assume that nothing can come from within, it must start from without.
In a way, sssssssoooorrrrta-kinda? Just not in the way people like Jack Thompson would suggest (all the violence, guns, drugs, etc.) but in the manner of frustration - if a game is infuriating you enough, like you repeatedly get put with a crappy team in multiplayer, or there's one area in a game that is just pissing you off... Consistent frustration could, theoretically, make you more aggressive.
That's not the fault of video games... usually; I mean, there've been times when devs confuse 'difficulty' for 'bullshit', which could REALLY infuriate players. But really, it's more dependent on the player if they become more aggressive from the game, whether from content or difficulty. You could argue games kind of ENABLE that aggression, in the same way a carelessly-discarded cigarette would enable a gas station explosion.
That's not the fault of video games... usually; I mean, there've been times when devs confuse 'difficulty' for 'bullshit', which could REALLY infuriate players. But really, it's more dependent on the player if they become more aggressive from the game, whether from content or difficulty. You could argue games kind of ENABLE that aggression, in the same way a carelessly-discarded cigarette would enable a gas station explosion.
It's actually pretty amazing the things people will hand wave when they think they have something to defend.
Honestly what makes videogames so fucking special that we get offended everytime the same level of critical and social examination every other media is subjected to is applied to videogames? A lot of things in our lives cause aggression, it's one of our most basic protective mechanisms, it activates when we're faced with challenges and when we're excited, it's a ubiquitous reaction to all sorts of things. And yeah, when I have a few bad rounds in the Dark Souls 2 arena I get salty and annoyed, fight a buffed longsword Havel monster a few times a you'll be pissed. And that's aggression, that's aggression that every gamer has felt and if you tell me you haven't you're a goddamn liar and know it. And there's nothing special about videogames, they just cause the same reaction as anything competitive, or driving in heavy traffic, or watching sports. Should we do anything about it? No, of course not, and no one (with any power or influence) is saying we should. But here's the thing, if you're aware of something's effect on you, you can work to curtail it, by acknowledging that this is a thing, you can consciously minimize it. And that's why gamers' knee jerk reaction to this kinda thing is so annoying, it just makes gamers seem that much more unreasonable and aggressive.
Seriously, these studies are done in the spirit of scientific inquiry because we like to know how our brains work, and people are acting like the very existence of these studies is evidence of an sjw conspiracy to take our games away.
Honestly what makes videogames so fucking special that we get offended everytime the same level of critical and social examination every other media is subjected to is applied to videogames? A lot of things in our lives cause aggression, it's one of our most basic protective mechanisms, it activates when we're faced with challenges and when we're excited, it's a ubiquitous reaction to all sorts of things. And yeah, when I have a few bad rounds in the Dark Souls 2 arena I get salty and annoyed, fight a buffed longsword Havel monster a few times a you'll be pissed. And that's aggression, that's aggression that every gamer has felt and if you tell me you haven't you're a goddamn liar and know it. And there's nothing special about videogames, they just cause the same reaction as anything competitive, or driving in heavy traffic, or watching sports. Should we do anything about it? No, of course not, and no one (with any power or influence) is saying we should. But here's the thing, if you're aware of something's effect on you, you can work to curtail it, by acknowledging that this is a thing, you can consciously minimize it. And that's why gamers' knee jerk reaction to this kinda thing is so annoying, it just makes gamers seem that much more unreasonable and aggressive.
Seriously, these studies are done in the spirit of scientific inquiry because we like to know how our brains work, and people are acting like the very existence of these studies is evidence of an sjw conspiracy to take our games away.
At a guess, because "aggression" very likely doesn't mean the connotation you have in mind. Now, I am not psychic, I cannot read you mind, but I'm going out on a limb because...major_chaos said:
I'm going to crib this from Gethsemani (Though I see she already replied to you), because she already explained it better than I can (and comes from a stronger backgro9und than I have):
Gethsemani said:
The simple answer is: we're not.
Well, except that's not what's being talked about with aggression. Still, this notion that there's no evidence is untrue and you should probably stop making the claim.FalloutJack said:
You just described a game causing aggression within you right there. Frustration.Doom972 said:
More interesting is that these are responses from aggression.Azure23 said:
Sorry, it is true. False positives, you see. Still, if you took the time to dig up an older thread just to quote a half-dozen or so people and make minor remarks of contradiction and nothing else, I'm pretty certain your point in doing so was not for discussion purposes. And if I have to put up with that, you have to live with my claims.Something Amyss said:
Frustration could lead to aggression, but it doesn't have to, and it doesn't in my case.Something Amyss said:
Also, the fact that you quoted 5 different people in one post, picked out only a single sentence out of my post, and your forum avatar make it a bit obvious.
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The question is a bit wrongly stated. Video games themselves do not cause aggression. In fact, video games reduce aggression over time by acting as outlets, or a form of escapism that helps you take your mind off whatever you're pissed off at.
But in some situations, aggression undoubtedly appears while playing video games. This is not caused by video games themselves, but by the spirit of competition and/or frustration. These two are not exclusively nor necessarily present in video games. Played a high-stakes game and lost, over and over? Yes you're going to be pretty aggressive. Just can't seem to make that jump? You'll be pissed off. But these states fade as fast as they are born.
So it's a bit of a frustrating predicament to see all of these studies try to go directly for *VIDEO GAMES* when analyzing aggression levels instead of going for the more obvious competitive aspect that has been proven to increase aggression over and over again whether playing or watching a sport.
The question is a bit wrongly stated. Video games themselves do not cause aggression. In fact, video games reduce aggression over time by acting as outlets, or a form of escapism that helps you take your mind off whatever you're pissed off at.
But in some situations, aggression undoubtedly appears while playing video games. This is not caused by video games themselves, but by the spirit of competition and/or frustration. These two are not exclusively nor necessarily present in video games. Played a high-stakes game and lost, over and over? Yes you're going to be pretty aggressive. Just can't seem to make that jump? You'll be pissed off. But these states fade as fast as they are born.
So it's a bit of a frustrating predicament to see all of these studies try to go directly for *VIDEO GAMES* when analyzing aggression levels instead of going for the more obvious competitive aspect that has been proven to increase aggression over and over again whether playing or watching a sport.
While it may trigger aggression, I believe the source of aggression is in the people actually experiencing it. They're the ones that need to focus on themselves and find out why they're being that way so that they can manage it.
Some people need to take a step back, look at their lives and re-prioritise. Then hopefully they can enjoy games for what they are and have the wisdom to put down the controller when the experience isn't giving them anything positive.
Some people need to take a step back, look at their lives and re-prioritise. Then hopefully they can enjoy games for what they are and have the wisdom to put down the controller when the experience isn't giving them anything positive.
This is actually one of the reasons I state that it doesn't trigger aggression, actually. Because it's not being made to happen. It's just how the person normally is when responding to a situation.Flammablezeus said: