Poll: Anime #2- Deathnote: who was in the right, Light or L? (potential spoilers)
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I can't even eat an apple at an Anime convention without someone yelling "SHINIGAMI".
Freaking Fans.
Freaking Fans.
As much as I empathized with Light's motives, I would have to say L. Although I'm not sure if either of them could be said to be "right" strictly speaking. After all, they both manipulated and used people to achieve their goals. What really got under my skin about Light was the fact that it was clear that the kid was a fucking genius, but for all his brains he failed to realize that he had become the very thing he was trying to eliminate; esp. when Ryuke(sp?) pretty much told him that would happen in the first episode.
Which was... basically at the beginning, really. At least, if you watch the anime.aegix drakan said:
The manga seems a bit more passive on Light's god complex until the 4th volume or so (at least, if I remember correctly)
Light seemed just for the most part. He was ridding the world of horrible people who didn't deserve the life they had been given. Of course, killing is killing but in my own personal view, if it's only killing killers, no real harm done and even at the end, they state crime was down by an extreme amount due to his actions, so he wasn't totally in the wrong.
However, the second he continually tried to one up L, prove himself right and create his little utopia, I lost all support for him. And by the end, he had become pretty much what he sought to get rid of. He himself became a cold blooded killer, only looking out for himself and killing anyone who got in his way.
So in short... L was right.
Light had the right idea but by the end he was only doing it for personal gain.
As for would I use the Death Note, no I would not. Not because I'm afraid to kill people or of getting caught but because it's actually really hard to find the names and faces of that many people who deserve to die. Seriously, try it, if I did do what Light did I'd be killing maybe one or two guys a week at the most.
As for would I use the Death Note, no I would not. Not because I'm afraid to kill people or of getting caught but because it's actually really hard to find the names and faces of that many people who deserve to die. Seriously, try it, if I did do what Light did I'd be killing maybe one or two guys a week at the most.
I think it was mentioned in one of those footnotes before they cut to commercials that the notebook never runs out of paper. Don't ask me how. I guess that's why the issue was never addressed in the show if I recall.Aethren said:
Anyway, this is a tough call to make but in the end I can't really side with Light. His dilemma was spot-on, he was right about how the world is rotting, there are too many bad people and someone needs to do something about it. His answer, killing, was not. Then he had the arrogance to regard himself as a God passing judgement on others.
Light was definately a likeable character, but morally he was wrong and, like L said, he had a very childish notion of "right and wrong".
So it's a crime to get a black notebook and write the words "Death Note" on the cover in white letters, and then write down the names of people you don't like in it? Because you know it's not going to actually DO anything. ¬_¬madwarper said:
Well, here's a page of the manga.Shamanic Enzan said:
http://www.mangareader.net/113-4123-15/death-note/chapter-107.html
I couldn't find a clip from the show, though I'm pretty sure they say it in one episode. It might be part of a flashback.
L did some really disturbing things to catch Kira, mostly out of pragmatism but Light started with high ideals and quickly abandoned them, right around the time he started killing police officers. And towards the end, pretty much anyone was fair game. If they could ID him in any way, Name goes in the Death Note. Even if it's for really, really petty reasons.
Care in PointL. Lind Taylor, killed because he called Kira evil on TV. Real Mature, Light. Real Mature. You kill the waiter when he doesn't get you coffee fast enough?
Not only that, but he purposely keeps a serial killer(who murdered people for saying KIRA was bad) alive just so he can manipulate her and use her as a Decoy. Apparently the innocent people she killed just don't matter to him.
Oh, and don't forget, near the end when the fake Kira announces "he's going to kill lazy people". Light hears this and what does he say? "Dammit, you're going too far!" No, he says "Damnit, it's not time for that YET"
Holy God. Now, apparently JUSTICE hates "Lazy" people as well as criminals.
By the end, it had nothing at all to do with Justice. It was all about Light's Game with his pursuers and feeding his God complex. When he decided not to kill people, it wasn't because doing so would be wrong, it was because it might get him caught.
Care in PointL. Lind Taylor, killed because he called Kira evil on TV. Real Mature, Light. Real Mature. You kill the waiter when he doesn't get you coffee fast enough?
Not only that, but he purposely keeps a serial killer(who murdered people for saying KIRA was bad) alive just so he can manipulate her and use her as a Decoy. Apparently the innocent people she killed just don't matter to him.
Oh, and don't forget, near the end when the fake Kira announces "he's going to kill lazy people". Light hears this and what does he say? "Dammit, you're going too far!" No, he says "Damnit, it's not time for that YET"
Holy God. Now, apparently JUSTICE hates "Lazy" people as well as criminals.
By the end, it had nothing at all to do with Justice. It was all about Light's Game with his pursuers and feeding his God complex. When he decided not to kill people, it wasn't because doing so would be wrong, it was because it might get him caught.
Cop killing doesn't bug you? It seems particulary hypocritical of light, the son of a police officer, to be able to kill cops left and right like he does. Or to Tolerate Misa doing it, for that matter. He even becomes a police officer later on, but apparently doesn't mind fraticide as long as it benefits him.J4RD said:
Or L. Lind Taylor for calling him "Evil". Exactly how was his Murder justified again? Light's feelings got hurt?
Or Noami, because she managed to figure out something the police would have eventually figured out anyway?
Or "The Voice of Kira", Ms. Takada? Holy crap, what a horrible way to die.
I mean, he nearly kills his Sister later in the series(to prevent her from being used as a hostage) and only holds off because "nobody knows about this but us. I'd get caught".
He's serving his God Complex, not Justice.
It's the same as claiming that the sacrifice of the few for the many is acceptable.sravankb said:
If I'm getting this the wrong way you should corect me.
Yeah, but if these kids are running around with imitation Death Notes I find it far more likely that they're just living in fantasy.Shamanic Enzan said:
You have one fundamental flaw here.sravankb said:
The USA won. At the time where the victor wrote down history, prior to the technology of documentation falling to the hands of an everyday civilian, the only right answer was the one the victor dictated.
Fuurthermore, the Japanese haven't addressed THEIR war crimes they commited mostly in mainland Asia and on POWs. Nothing. Erased from their collective memory. Blank.
There were instances of cannibalism in harsh enviroments were the Japanese ATE POWs. ATE them.
If that's not a war crime then the bombing of Hiroshima can be justified without an argument.
