Poll: Are the people flaming the WiiU this early hypocritical or biased?

[boholikeu]

Maybe this is just me, but does it seem like most of the arguments against the WiiU are totally hypocritical, or at the very least biased? I admit this might just be the "angry Internet" phenomenon, in which the least informed people are also the ones making the most noise, but it seems like an inordinate amount of hate is being leveled at the system just because it's being made by Nintendo.

Now, I'm not saying that everyone who doesn't like the new system is a hypocrite/biased/ill-informed, but I've seen very few arguments thus far that didn't either A) ignore information we now know about the system B) complain about getting the very things they were asking for with the Wii. There are plenty of reasons to be undecided about the new system, but they seem to be drowned out by a cacophony of "Lol, WiiU fails". So, in an effort to test whether is is just a vocal minority, I've included the above poll. Some of the choices are specifically worded to be hypocritical or biased, so I'm interested in seeing how many people choose them as opposed to the more balanced and informed ones. This won't prove anything of course (because it's also a bit of a test of who reads the body of a message before answering the poll), but I am still curious nonetheless.

Also, for the record I chose "Has potential, but I'm going to wait until we know more to make a decision".

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

I think that the Wii U is coming out at an inopportune time. It's really late to the party for the current gen, so while it's processing power is a little higher than the Xbox 360 and the PS3, it's not a big enough jump to really make a huge difference to the people who already own those consoles. Plus, the PS3 and the Xbox 360 are already working on their own next gen consoles to boot, so the Wii U will only have supremacy in the tech department for a couple of years before it's eclipsed again.

It seems like it's too little and too late for what they're offering for this generation, and they're too early to the party for the next generation. Most of the people who own Xbox 360s and PS3s are willing to wait another couple of years to see what kind of hardware the other devs have up their sleeves before committing to another console, and by that time Nintendo's tech will already be limited, just like it was with the Wii. This means that their third party support will probably only hold up until Microsoft and Sony come out with their next consoles, and then it'll degrade into what the Wii was before, only having good first party games and complete trash from 3rd party developers.

At least that's how I see it. There's nothing inherently wrong with the console, just with the timing of it being released.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well they are about 5 years late to the triple A game and everyone already has the other consoles, so I can't see why people would switch over now.

 

[DarthFennec]

I simply see no reason to buy the damn thing. I am, of course, reserving final judgement until we know more about it, but it just doesn't look appealing to me. I'm annoyed enough already with the way my Wii and my DS handle, and as far as I've seen the WiiU is basically a combination of the two. I am, and always have been, a totally biased Nintendo fanboy, but this is starting to get ridiculous.

 

[Awexsome]

If it can pull through in the 3rd party department then I'll give it a chance.

I mean at this point people have only bought the Wii for either the gimmick stuff that we don't take too kindly around these parts or the Nintendo first party games. Those first party games being very good sometimes.

If I can revel in games like Mario Kart and Zelda and not have to get another entire console to play games like Assassin's Creed and Battlefield like they're trying to market here... I'd willing to give it a shot. Nobody needs super cutting edge graphics for everything anyway. PC already has those and those are expensive as probably 3 of these things combined.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

I have several problems with it. Many of these are based on unconfirmed reports, but it's the best we have to go on right now.

-It's another gimmick console. I got burned on the Wii last time, you won't fool me twice Nintendo.

-The controller appears to be the worst designed, ergonomically, in history. I'd rather use an N64 controller. Seriously.

-Questionable third party support. They have a few good games lined up, but those are releasing months late and Nintendo has a bad history with third party support. I don't see how you could play shooters on that ridiculous tablet controller.

-It's a technological sidegrade to the 360/PS3. If you're releasing a console a full 6 years after the competition, it damn well better have superior hardware. This is especially bad since Microsoft and Sony will likely announce their new consoles before the Wii U launches next year.

-Reportedly missing a hard drive. That means no DLC, no downloadable games, and you need Memory Cards to save games. How in the hell do you release a console in 2012 without a dedicated hard drive? Mind boggling.

-Questionable online support. We have no idea what they have up their sleeve for this, but they would NEED a service on par with Live/PSN to compete with the hardcore crowd. That type of system is not easy to setup and maintain, just ask Sony!

 

[Ice Car]

It definitely has potential, but I'm going to wait until we know more about it before making a decision.

 

[Loonyyy]

I notice that you like to make a false dichotomy: If you hate the Wii-U: you are wrong, ie, biased or a hypocrite.
The reason it is being hated on is because it is ridiculous. It does indeed bring in some of the features of standard controller form factor and HD graphics, allowing it to compete with the xBox-360 and PS3. However, it also is silly. A system which directly competes with both the DS and the 3DS to an extent, and a gimmicky new feature which looks like it would be extremely difficult to use in gaming.
The WiiU proves that Nintendo are talentless hacks: they made a new console which ends up being very similar to what already exists, with a gimmick on it. Personally, and anyone with half a brain can see this, though a flawed motion controller, (all current motion controls are flawed, no feedback) the Kinect still blows this out of the water. I have no desire to use either, but the WiiU doesn't fill a niche, it doesn't make something new.
Heck, Nintendo is promising not to stop supporting the Wii, so how is the Wii not going to hold back their new system?
Just look at the stock markets. Nintendo shares took a massive hit. The prediction is that it will not sell.
The Wii is more intuitive to casuals who aren't interested in upgrades, the Hardcore have their consoles, but even so, the WiiU shows no promise of adding anything new, except for gimmicky gameplay.
Did you watch the launch, and how horrible the gameplay with the thing looked? I'd rather have a root canal surgery in a fireworks show at a rock concert with a migraine and no painkillers than that.
Also, using two screens at once is not easily possible. British Apache pilots had to develop split eye control: it took months and caused severe headaches.
Basically, no hypocrisy, no bias (My first and favourite console was the Nintendo 64), this just doesn't appeal.
Also, OP, more offensive than your insult and stupidity is that you don't offer me the option of saying "It's bad.".

 

[Drummie666]

OT: It's people jumping the gun as they always do. Nothing more.

Personal thoughts on the WiiU (Christ, even typing that felt stupid): I'm still waiting for more details on how powerful the console itself is. (Or are those already out yet? I've seen people claiming it's about the same as the other two, some saying it's weaker and some saying it's way more powerful, where is this info coming from?)

But speaking on the controller, It's a piece of shit!
Let me expand, I have no problem with the simple fact that it's a screen on your controller or even that it's a touch screen. I think that incorporating that into a console game actually sounds like it could work... on paper.

Once you get into the real world though, you suddenly realise that the touch screen and the tv are at two very different distances from your eyes.
You may have figured out the problem by this point: EYESTRAIN.

If I find out I'm wrong about this, than I may give this stupidly named thing a positive view, but until then, I'm saying "No. Bad Nintendo."
Hell, I'll probably not get it anyway. I'll be waiting for the PS4.

 

[boholikeu]

I think that the Wii U is coming out at an inopportune time. It's really late to the party for the current gen, so while it's processing power is a little higher than the Xbox 360 and the PS3, it's not a big enough jump to really make a huge difference to the people who already own those consoles. Plus, the PS3 and the Xbox 360 are already working on their own next gen consoles to boot, so the Wii U will only have supremacy in the tech department for a couple of years before it's eclipsed again.

It seems like it's too little and too late for what they're offering for this generation, and they're too early to the party for the next generation. Most of the people who own Xbox 360s and PS3s are willing to wait another couple of years to see what kind of hardware the other devs have up their sleeves before committing to another console, and by that time Nintendo's tech will already be limited, just like it was with the Wii. This means that their third party support will probably only hold up until Microsoft and Sony come out with their next consoles, and then it'll degrade into what the Wii was before, only having good first party games and complete trash from 3rd party developers.

At least that's how I see it. There's nothing inherently wrong with the console, just with the timing of it being released.

I see your point, but I still think that to totally dismiss the WiiU at this point for the above reason is a little biased. You can't assume Nintendo's console will be less powerful or even that MS or Sony will release a new console soon after Nintendo. Looking at their current actions/statements it looks like there might be a much larger window before the next xbox/ps than we're expecting.

Well they are about 5 years late to the triple A game and everyone already has the other consoles, so I can't see why people would switch over now.

Maybe for the same reason people switched from the ps2/xbox to the xbox360/ps3; it's a new generation.

I have several problems with it. Many of these are based on unconfirmed reports, but it's the best we have to go on right now.

-It's another gimmick console. I got burned on the Wii last time, you won't fool me twice Nintendo.

Define gimmick console. The main problem with the Wii was it didn't offer anything besides a largely mandatory gimmick. The WiiU has better graphics and an optional gimmick.

-The controller appears to be the worst designed, ergonomically, in history. I'd rather use an N64 controller. Seriously...I don't see how you could play shooters on that ridiculous tablet controller.

What are you basing that on? Most initial reports state that it's pretty comfortable, and many ergonomically designed input devices are wider than their more traditional counterparts, which lends one to the conclusion that the WiiU controller will actually be more ergonomic.

-Questionable third party support. They have a few good games lined up, but those are releasing months late and Nintendo has a bad history with third party support.

Nintendo has specifically said they are focusing on getting more hardcore 3rd party titles. I don't see how this is "questionable". Also, do you have any release dates? I had heard somewhere else that many of the showcased 3rd party titles were launch titles.

-It's a technological sidegrade to the 360/PS3. If you're releasing a console a full 6 years after the competition, it damn well better have superior hardware. This is especially bad since Microsoft and Sony will likely announce their new consoles before the Wii U launches next year.

Where's your evidence? Everything I've seen has said it's a clear upgrade.

-Reportedly missing a hard drive. That means no DLC, no downloadable games, and you need Memory Cards to save games. How in the hell do you release a console in 2012 without a dedicated hard drive? Mind boggling.

It has an external hard drive.

-Questionable online support. We have no idea what they have up their sleeve for this, but they would NEED a service on par with Live/PSN to compete with the hardcore crowd. That type of system is not easy to setup and maintain, just ask Sony!

That's probably the only fair criticism I've seen, but it's still based on a lack of information rather than something we know for sure about.

 

[Seieko Pherdo]

Well I don't know much about it, however I think most people don't want a I-pad for a game controller, at the same time Playstation Vitsa (or whatever and however it's called/spelled) doesn't make much sense to me ether. Perhaps this the fapping about stage of gaming where we try new things to see what works at the expense and/or benefit or others. At least Nintendo is trying new things apposed to making an update on things that already exist that will leave large gaping wounds in our wallets. (Like that Playstation thing)

 

[starwarsgeek]

It's just the internet being the internet. Pay them no mind.

 

[Mr. Omega]

It's just the internet being the internet. Pay them no mind.

That sums it all up rather nicely. Thank you good sir.

 

[boholikeu]

I notice that you like to make a false dichotomy: If you hate the Wii-U: you are wrong, ie, biased or a hypocrite.

Well, you read incorrectly then. I noted that there are many good reasons why one might not like the WiiU, but thus far most of the ones I'm hearing are either hypocritical or biased. This thread was meant as an attempt to search out those arguments.

Also, re: the dual screen thing you mentioned, I'm not sure that the games are designed with the intent that you're supposed to be watching both screens at once. So far the controller screen seems to be primarily used for menus and inventory, which wouldn't need to be constantly monitored.

 

[Fragrance of Mtn Dew]

I'm gonna hold off my judgement until I get a chance to play it. It looks cool and all, but that controller seems awkward and only a few of the launch titles interest me, many of which I can get on other consoles I already own. And even then I'll probably wait until the price drops too, but that's the money hoarding side of me talking.

 

[tharinock]

In my opinion it has a lot of potential. The touchscreen has the possibility to be a configurable controller for different games. Each dev gets to reconfigure the layout of a big chunk of the controller. Although there aren't solid buttons to press, I have a feeling that, like touch-screen keyboards, it's something we could get used to after some time. It would also let users have much more customization over their control interface. Perhaps even configurable macros can be put in.

That said, I would not put it past Nintendo to not utilize it properly. Putting the touch screen on the controller makes it very tempting to just use the controller as a menu, or for stuff like live (no pause) equipment swaps and things like that. Honestly, I think switching between TV and controller will be difficult without sitting in awkward positions for too long. The difference in size and distance from the eye will make it difficult. If used poorly, it seems like it will be no more than an awkward controller with a fancy screen.

All in all, it has a lot of potential if used cleverly and properly implemented. However, I just am not currently confident that Nintendo will do things right with it. However, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now, and withhold complete judgement on it. Additionally, it may be some time after release before someone figures out a good use for the controller. Ultimately, I really hope it's amazing, but I won't get my hopes up until I see evidence that it's proven itself.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well they are about 5 years late to the triple A game and everyone already has the other consoles, so I can't see why people would switch over now.

Maybe for the same reason people switched from the ps2/xbox to the xbox360/ps3; it's a new generation.

It's a new generation for Nintendo, the rest of the world was there 5 years ago, now they are only joining in.

 

[Shadesong]

Also, re: the dual screen thing you mentioned, I'm not sure that the games are designed with the intent that you're supposed to be watching both screens at once. So far the controller screen seems to be primarily used for menus and inventory, which wouldn't need to be constantly monitored.

To be honest, I don't think that's any better. If the second screen is going to have all of the menus etc, then one of two things are going to happen:

1: I'm going to get hit while looking down at the blighted thing because I'm not paying attention.
2: I'm going to pause, in which case what's the point in having the second screen? If I've paused the game then there's absolutely no reason the menu can't be brought up on the primary screen and save me the trouble of looking down.*

On top of that, the controller looks really uncomfortable to me, I wouldn't be able to say for certain without holding one though. All in all, I haven't bought anything from Nintendo since the GBA era, this isn't going to change that.

*I'm aware that complaining about looking down is somewhat petty, but is there any real reason that the main screen can't be used? Especially considering it'll most likely be bigger so you can fit more content on it.