Poll: Are the people flaming the WiiU this early hypocritical or biased?

[Yopaz]

I think people hate The WiiU because they had a bad experience with the Wii. As it is now I haven't seen enough of it to say if it is going to be awesome or a tragedy, but a game that let me continue to play as I leave the room and still have PS3/Xbox 360 graphics+ appeals at least a little to me.
I think this could be good if it's done right. It wont be easy, but it might work.

 

[valleyshrew]

For once a poll that's coherent to vote in on this forum, congrats. I think it has some small potential, but like Kinect, it's not going to be used effectively by the vast majority of games so it's pretty much a waste. Peoples ideas basically boil down to having a menu on the controller, it's just a waste of electricity. One of the few things I admired about the wii was it's lack of power consumption, it's exponentially less than the other consoles. The worst thing is the analogue sticks, they're like the psp's one which is horrible. The higher the stick is the more accurate it is. Flat ones don't work well. And it doesn't look ergonomic. I just don't see any reasonably exciting application of the controller that would fit in my favourite games. I don't see how any hardcore game (e.g. battlefield) would use a controller with a sensor strip, gyroscope, camera, touch screen, speaker, microphone and accelerometer. We barely used sixaxis. The wii, ipad, kinect and so on are about making things accessible and simpler to use. This is vastly more complex. I think fifa could use it well, but it would require 3 hands and would have a steep learning curve that would put people off.

 

[Mallefunction]

Personally I wouldn't buy it because I already have a handheld that I enjoy (DS Lite) Why would I want essentially a more expensive version of that? I didn't like any of the Wii games so the backwards compat doesn't appeal to me either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Nintendo (Gamecube and N64 owner) but I have my PS3 for the new stuff and I hate the whole tablet gaming concept. I dunno about you guys, but outside of certain games, I cannot play in public or the like because it destroys immersion to be around so much noise and commotion, etc.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

-Questionable third party support. They have a few good games lined up, but those are releasing months late and Nintendo has a bad history with third party support.

Nintendo has specifically said they are focusing on getting more hardcore 3rd party titles. I don't see how this is "questionable". Also, do you have any release dates? I had heard somewhere else that many of the showcased 3rd party titles were launch titles.

Nintendo has a HORRIBLE track record all the way since N64 for having no 3rd party support. It looks like current gen titles can be ported to the WiiU so the WiiU could possibly have great 3rd party support for only a couple years at most IF the best case scenario plays out. Why did I say only a couple years? Because once Sony and Microsoft release real next-gen consoles, then doing standard ports isn't going to be possible because the WiiU's graphical capabilities will not be high enough. The WiiU is going to be in the same place as Wii is now once the real next-gen begins. Plus, is the external HD sold separate? If it is, then the devs can't use it to improve game performance.

 

[BreakfastMan]

Looks interesting to me. I like that Nintendo is getting more third party support for this thing (even though it seems weird that most of it is violent, M-Rated titles, which rarely do well on a Nintendo console). It certainly seems interesting, and the concept looks like it has potential. As always we will have to see if any developers will take full advantage of the unique possibilities of the tech (though, if the Wii and Kinect are any indication, there will only be 3-4 games for the thing that actually could not be done on any other console... *sigh*).

Just remember everyone: it is not the tech-specs or the addition of a touch-screen that matters, it is the games. If the thing has a massive pile of good games, it will be worth a purchase, regardless of whether or not it has the most up-to-date graphics. Why people forget this, I will never know...

 

[boholikeu]

Well they are about 5 years late to the triple A game and everyone already has the other consoles, so I can't see why people would switch over now.

Maybe for the same reason people switched from the ps2/xbox to the xbox360/ps3; it's a new generation.

It's a new generation for Nintendo, the rest of the world was there 5 years ago, now they are only joining in.

Actually they weren't there five years ago because the specs beat out the current generation's hardware =)

Also, re: the dual screen thing you mentioned, I'm not sure that the games are designed with the intent that you're supposed to be watching both screens at once. So far the controller screen seems to be primarily used for menus and inventory, which wouldn't need to be constantly monitored.

To be honest, I don't think that's any better. If the second screen is going to have all of the menus etc, then one of two things are going to happen:

1: I'm going to get hit while looking down at the blighted thing because I'm not paying attention.
2: I'm going to pause, in which case what's the point in having the second screen? If I've paused the game then there's absolutely no reason the menu can't be brought up on the primary screen and save me the trouble of looking down.*

On top of that, the controller looks really uncomfortable to me, I wouldn't be able to say for certain without holding one though. All in all, I haven't bought anything from Nintendo since the GBA era, this isn't going to change that.

*I'm aware that complaining about looking down is somewhat petty, but is there any real reason that the main screen can't be used? Especially considering it'll most likely be bigger so you can fit more content on it.

Menus would work much better on a controller because then the devs know exactly how big the text is going to appear for everybody. Perhaps you have a big screen, HD TV and perfect 20/20 vision, but not all of us are so lucky. I can't tell you how people (including myself) have trouble navigating menus in games made by devs who forget that not everyone has a rocking home entertainment system.

Ideally the WiiU screen would be used similarly to what we've seen in the Zelda demo. It looked like you could still access the inventory by pressing pause, but if you wanted you could also equip items without interrupting the game by using the touch screen. Initially you might have to look down each time, but as you got better you could probably use the touch screen by memory (at least that's what I've found myself doing with DS games; it's really not as hard as you'd think).

For once a poll that's coherent to vote in on this forum, congrats. I think it has some small potential, but like Kinect, it's not going to be used effectively by the vast majority of games so it's pretty much a waste. Peoples ideas basically boil down to having a menu on the controller, it's just a waste of electricity. One of the few things I admired about the wii was it's lack of power consumption, it's exponentially less than the other consoles. The worst thing is the analogue sticks, they're like the psp's one which is horrible. The higher the stick is the more accurate it is. Flat ones don't work well. And it doesn't look ergonomic. I just don't see any reasonably exciting application of the controller that would fit in my favourite games. I don't see how any hardcore game (e.g. battlefield) would use a controller with a sensor strip, gyroscope, camera, touch screen, speaker, microphone and accelerometer. We barely used sixaxis. The wii, ipad, kinect and so on are about making things accessible and simpler to use. This is vastly more complex. I think fifa could use it well, but it would require 3 hands and would have a steep learning curve that would put people off.

Why are higher sticks more accurate? I've never had any problems with the lower style.

Personally I wouldn't buy it because I already have a handheld that I enjoy (DS Lite) Why would I want essentially a more expensive version of that? I didn't like any of the Wii games so the backwards compat doesn't appeal to me either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Nintendo (Gamecube and N64 owner) but I have my PS3 for the new stuff and I hate the whole tablet gaming concept. I dunno about you guys, but outside of certain games, I cannot play in public or the like because it destroys immersion to be around so much noise and commotion, etc.

This is actually a pretty fair reason to dislike the console. If the games just don't appeal to you that's cool. I don't know why people feel the need to build up some giant straw man like "motion controls are always horrible".

-Questionable third party support. They have a few good games lined up, but those are releasing months late and Nintendo has a bad history with third party support.

Nintendo has specifically said they are focusing on getting more hardcore 3rd party titles. I don't see how this is "questionable". Also, do you have any release dates? I had heard somewhere else that many of the showcased 3rd party titles were launch titles.

Nintendo has a HORRIBLE track record all the way since N64 for having no 3rd party support. It looks like current gen titles can be ported to the WiiU so the WiiU could possibly have great 3rd party support for only a couple years at most IF the best case scenario plays out. Why did I say only a couple years? Because once Sony and Microsoft release real next-gen consoles, then doing standard ports isn't going to be possible because the WiiU's graphical capabilities will not be high enough. The WiiU is going to be in the same place as Wii is now once the real next-gen begins. Plus, is the external HD sold separate? If it is, then the devs can't use it to improve game performance.

Everyone is so sure that Sony and MS will release a new console soon after the WiiU's release, but that pretty much goes against all of their recent statements and actions. What's more, I'm curious how much graphical/processing power will actually matter in the next generation. As far as I'm aware the current generation is more limited by manpower, time and budget restraints.

Just remember everyone: it is not the tech-specs or the addition of a touch-screen that matters, it is the games. If the thing has a massive pile of good games, it will be worth a purchase, regardless of whether or not it has the most up-to-date graphics. Why people forget this, I will never know...

That's exactly how I feel.

 

[Amyamy]

At the moment I´m not feeling it at all, I think it´s gonna have a hard time succeeding. But I don´t want to totally shoot it down before knowing and seeing a bit more.

 

[Frotality]

uh...the wii was a massive disappointment, and the wii2 is just playing catch-up with current-gen consoles while still trying to include a stupid controller? thats hypocritical to you?

i guess i see what you mean; everyone thought the wii was underpowered and abandoned nintendo's core demographic of...the time before the wii, and the wii2 tries to rectify that...but its attempts are pathetic. its trying to do what current consoles already do, while still trying to have a stupid controller add-on; releasing games we already have on other systems, and offering too little of its own. i got the wii pretty much just to play smash bros, and despite efforts to get my money's worth from the console after that, the wii very soon just sat there collecting dust. a new smash is not enough this time; at all. unless the wii2 comes up with a large array of titles, release or otherwise (and without immersion-murdering touchscreen gimmicks thrown in), i will not be getting one.

 

[TheGuy(wantstobe)]

-It's a technological sidegrade to the 360/PS3. If you're releasing a console a full 6 years after the competition, it damn well better have superior hardware. This is especially bad since Microsoft and Sony will likely announce their new consoles before the Wii U launches next year.

This right here is so annoying to read as it's completely false. POWER7 based CPU with 5xxx based GPU blows the current crop out of the water and BBQ's them for a nice afternoon snack.

How do we know this I hear you ask? Simple. IBM basically confirm a POWER7 based CPU through the fact it goes on about using the same tech as Watson.
AMD mention in their release eyefinity which is found on starting on their 5xxx series so it's reasonable to assume that's the base architecture that they're using.

OT: I'll be buying day 1 for the games as from what i've seen it's going to be a blast playing with that new controller. GR:O uses it brilliantly and will actually add to the game amazingly and Killer Freaks use of it will actually mean I can play a FPS with my girlfriend who prefers RTS games and whatnot.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I have several problems with it. Many of these are based on unconfirmed reports, but it's the best we have to go on right now.

-It's another gimmick console. I got burned on the Wii last time, you won't fool me twice Nintendo.

-The controller appears to be the worst designed, ergonomically, in history. I'd rather use an N64 controller. Seriously.

-Questionable third party support. They have a few good games lined up, but those are releasing months late and Nintendo has a bad history with third party support. I don't see how you could play shooters on that ridiculous tablet controller.

-It's a technological sidegrade to the 360/PS3. If you're releasing a console a full 6 years after the competition, it damn well better have superior hardware. This is especially bad since Microsoft and Sony will likely announce their new consoles before the Wii U launches next year.

-Reportedly missing a hard drive. That means no DLC, no downloadable games, and you need Memory Cards to save games. How in the hell do you release a console in 2012 without a dedicated hard drive? Mind boggling.

-Questionable online support. We have no idea what they have up their sleeve for this, but they would NEED a service on par with Live/PSN to compete with the hardcore crowd. That type of system is not easy to setup and maintain, just ask Sony!

wow didn't know that about the hard drive, that is a major negative for sure, especially on any kind of downloadable, i mean wtf with patches up the butt, how the hell are you gonna have room for shit on it..


Also most of their games i have ever ever ever been interested with were 1st party, which even then they were only a few, so I doubt this system will come up and surprise me on that front, but i'll hold judgement, although i do think the controller aspect is cool in the fact that the inventory/map works on the little screen when your playing on the big screen so that could really help get rid of annoying multitasks

 

[boholikeu]

uh...the wii was a massive disappointment, and the wii2 is just playing catch-up with current-gen consoles while still trying to include a stupid controller? thats hypocritical to you?

What's hypocritical is that many people are complaining about the WiiU adding the very things people were asking for with the Wii:

"The Wii sucks because it's less powerful than the other consoles"
"The WiiU is more powerful than the current gen's consoles"
"It still sucks"

"The Wii didn't have any good 3rd party mature games"
"The WiiU will carry some of the most popular mature franchises in gaming today"
"It still sucks"

"The Wii sucks because it forced us to use motion controls"
"The WiiU controller has a much more traditional shape, and it's extra features are totally optional to use"
"It still sucks"

Perhaps you have a more nuanced argument of why the WiiU will still be horrible despite the above efforts. If so, I'm eager to hear it because so far it seems like anyone complaining about the above points is either being really hypocritical or holding some weird double standard for Nintendo.

 

[RA92]

You know, X-Box is a shittier name than Wii.

 

[boholikeu]

wow didn't know that about the hard drive, that is a major negative for sure, especially on any kind of downloadable, i mean wtf with patches up the butt, how the hell are you gonna have room for shit on it..

Just because it doesn't have a hard drive doesn't mean it's not going to have any storage. It comes with an 8gb flash card and supports external hard drives through usb (no word yet as to whether or not it'll have ship with an external drive).

 

[Kolby Jack]

My reaction to it went in this order exactly:




Isn't it nice how the NC runs the gamut of negative responses? Anyway, Yea, I'm not hoping for much, and apparently Nintendo's stock fell by over 10% right after the announcement. The Wii was a massive waste of money for me, and this is much worse. This console looks to be too complex to hang on to the Wii's housewife demographic but too gimmicky to grab any of the already spurned mainstream gamers. It seems to me that only Nintendo fans will be interested in it, which may be enough to not make Nintendo bankrupt (they have a lot of fans), but I doubt the Wii U (also the stupidest name in video game system history since the Wii) will be a financial success.

I mean, a screen in the controller? Yea, that could be cool, as an OPTIONAL, PERIPHERAL gadget, not as the main controller. This is just like the 3DS; it sounds like something that makes perfect sense in the progression of things and exactly what we would want, but it's not. In the end it'll be something pointless and annoying that doesn't enhance the immersion at all.

But that's just my two cents.

 

[psivamp]

Kitchen-sink controller design: motion controls, touchscreen, d-pad, buttons and two analog circle pads?

Not only does that sound like a nightmare to use, but can you imagine trying to develop for such a thing? Nintendo typically has weak third-party support and I see that likely to happen again -- especially with controllers that have the inputs of two or three normal controllers, and require a wireless video signal.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

wow didn't know that about the hard drive, that is a major negative for sure, especially on any kind of downloadable, i mean wtf with patches up the butt, how the hell are you gonna have room for shit on it..

Just because it doesn't have a hard drive doesn't mean it's not going to have any storage. It comes with an 8gb flash card and supports external hard drives through usb (no word yet as to whether or not it'll have ship with an external drive).

-_- I didn't mean that literally in the sense that it doesn't have storage... but these days most updates/downloadables will eat that 8 gig's up and spit it back out like it was nothing, even if its larger than that it's still pretty ridiculous they would expect everything to run off memory card/external hard drive, this isn't the n64 era anymore :\

 

[Katie Paxton-fear]

I'm going for gimmick here. It just doesn't seem practical from a game perspective, however it looks pretty cool. I'm also going to go with the lack of support- just because EA was like YEAH WII FTW doesn't mean all developers are.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

I don't care if I'm practically BLEATING at this point, but "They shouldn't have marketed it as the Wii2". That's my thoughts in a nutshell. But yeah, it has a lot of potential. CAn't wait to see what they come up with.

 

[SoranMBane]

I simply don't think the WiiU controller will work. What kind of game could you possibly make where having to look away from tv periodically to mess with the touchscreen won't become an unnecessary distraction? There's a fairly noticeable, if blurry, line between experimentation and just not thinking things through properly, and Nintendo seem to have crossed it here. Then there's the fact that I'm simply not a part of Nintendo's core audience, and, as such, don't really give a shit about missing the next big, slightly different remake of the last five Zelda games.