Poll: Are We Entitled?

[Kapol]

The title and then question for the pull asked are incredibly misleading and bring me to believe that it was purposefully done so to make your arguement seem stronger, especially when you point out that all of these things are expensive and yet you still buy it.

Seriously, all the people who ***** and then go out and buy the game and all it's DLC annoy the hell out of me. Kind of like the people who complain about DRM and then pirate the game 'in protest.' We've gotten to the point where, even if our arguements are valid, we still can't go without playing the things that piss us off. Because then we'd miss out and that'd be an end of the freaking world to us.

Don't get me wrong. I think some of the things that these companies pull are incredibly unfair to the customer. The effect of which is I'm unlikely to buy future games from them. I'll still buy Mass Effect 3 even if I do understand and kind of agree with the arguement against it (which I'm not going to go into my feelings on Day-1 DLC as that's another thing entirely). But I'm not going to complain because, DLC or not, I expect Mass Effect 3 to be twice the game most others are with enough to keep me going to be more then worth it. Now Dragon Age 3, Or the next IP they come out with? It's not so cut and dry, and this will be remembered as something against them when I go to pick it up.

As for the actual question: Yes. I believe a large portion of the 'gamers' group have entitlement issues. Do we deserve better then we get? I believe that's also yes. I think there's no problem with expecting more from your games unless you go in with unrealistic standards. If you don't like something a company does or a game they put out then the solution is simple. Don't buy from them. Nobody is forcing you to spend money on their product. If enough people actually go without (god forbid) then the companies might actually start listening. As it is now, many gamers still seem to act surprised when companies don't listen to them even though they still buy all the products that company puts out reguardless of what they do.

 

[Orks da best]

We're spoiled fucking rotten. People seem to forget that the kinds of games we get to play nowadays are the kind of games that we couldn't even have imagined in the days of the N64/PS1 but instead of being happy and enjoying the medium that we're lucky to be able to enjoy, they just fucking ***** and whine and have their little fucking "boycotts".

"Oh noes! This DLC is costing 10 extra dollars! TEH GAME IS RUINED! EVIL EA EVIL CORPORATIONS!!!" etc.

Seriously, if you're getting pissed off that EXTRA content costs EXTRA money then you're just too much of a greedy moron to be worth bothering with.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better msyelf, honesty if someone rages out on forums complaining about the games they play rather then playing the game itself, its just argh!

play the games you love, don't play the games you dislike or hate simple as that you entitled morons!

 

[CardinalPiggles]

This is a very broad question with a very limited answer pool, so I'm going to say maybe.

Just kidding, I guess we DO deserve better treatment sometimes, but it's up to us to vote with our wallets. Don't like it? Don't buy it...

 

[Genericjim101]

Is it wrong I really don't care annd just want the end to my trilogy without giving a toss as to whether day one DLC was meant to be on the disc or not? I played ME2 without Zaeed or Kasumi.. I missed out on nowt. I know it sounds like yes I have become a willing sheep leading itself to slaughter, but I'm sure I will be happy when I put the disc into the 360 that I paid £36 for and get to see the end to something I have been waiting 5 years for.

 

[spartan231490]

Of course not. Here's a little secret people, if we deserved better, we'd stop paying for what we get.

 

[Epona]

If you pay full price for the product, you are entitled to the full product. That's EVERYTHING on the disc. Day 1 DLC is getting into really idiotic territory where it's no longer downloadable extras, it's shit that is on the disc and they're telling me I can't have.

The entitlement problem comes when people refuse to pay full price yet still demand the full experience. It's a two way street. You want the full experience, pay full price. You want me to pay full price, don't gut my product. And no, lower prices does NOT solve the problem. Anyone who says otherwise is ridiculously naive.

My local grocery store had 2 liter Pepsi's on sale. I should only get 90% of the Pepsi since it was 10% off right? I think you need to develop your theory a little more.

 

[n00beffect]

See, most of you don't see the big picture. It's so funny watching you bicker over this little trifle, it makes me think of hyenas fighting over a half-eaten, smelly, fly-infested corpse of a recently devoured stag, while a bunch of suited lions stand a mile away laughing, and stealing their wallets.

I do agree with the statement of most, that gamers are in fact entitled, bigotted assholes, whose very predisposition to life is that they should have absolutely everything, at anytime they want; however, I do see the other side as well, where we have a couple of very wealthy, ruthless motherfuckers, spending their entire day, thinking of who and how to fuck-over next, and what they can do to shorten the game-making process, whilst retaining and even enlarging their enormous mass of dough. In short - both parties are dicks. And while I do lean a tad more on the consumer side - since, in fact, I am a consumer - and while I do see the utter lack of enthusiasm of most developers, and their half-baked, despicable, little tactics into getting you to spend a shit ton of money, for something so utterly useless and transparent, a normal person would never dream of even looking at the damn thing (and no, I won't say which game/s I have in mind. FUCK NO!), I do realize that developers and publishers alike, are all money-hungry, ruthless, utterly-depraved-of-standards... HUMAN BEINGS. Yes, exactly, they're human beings, just like you, and me, and your mom. We're no different, and YOU wouldn't do anything different if you were in their position. In fact, come to think of it, you'd probably do worse. So suck it up, fat boy, and get in line, for you will be just wasting your time. And, as many others have (probably) said, already, if you don't like it, then do something the fuck about it. If you're gonna complain - do it right! Otherwise, shut up, and go back and suck on EA/Nintendo's big bulging ... Oh, damn! I let myself slip... Ooops, I guess!

 

[MrThisguy978]

If you want an opinion on a company's decisions, buy stocks.
You people make me sick.

 

[StriderShinryu]

Gaming is pure luxury entertainment, and there is so much quality content out there at so many different pricing levels that even if all you have to spend is time you can still be very well served. If you don't like something then don't play it. It's really that simple.

So, yes, gamers generally are just acting like spoiled entitled brats.

 

[Vanilla_Druid]

I suppose, I do not have to worry too much about this since I normally stick with Nintendo systems. I like having the games cost $40-$50 and complete. Sure, the Wii may not be "hardcore" or "manly", but at least I know I will have my money's worth.

 

[RatRace123]

Oh god yes, we are most definitely entitled. But, we're also dicked around a lot by publishers and studios too.

I would say that in some aspects, mostly on the business side of things we do deserve better. The games industry, or at least the publishing arm of it is very much at war with consumers.

But at the same time, there are a lot of good aspects we take for granted. First and foremost, we do not deserve games for free, and developers do not owe us anything. Is it a dick move when they shove part of the game online so they can charge for an online pass? Totally. But gaming is not a necessity and if you want to send the message to developers that you don't like the way they're doing something, the best way to do that is to not give them your money.

There are a lot of things wrong with the current industry model, and there are faults on both sides, but at the end of the day, I will side with my fellow consumers over the publishers, but we have to be willing to make concessions too.

 

[J Tyran]

Gamers are entitled to the product they pay for, nothing more and nothing less. As consumers gamers have the choice of whether to buy a product or not. All of this anger is simply self entitlement, "I want this on the disk because I deserve it" that's all it is.

Don't like it? Think its bad value for money? Don't buy it then, whatever you do all you are entitled to is the product you buy.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I remember when new games cost 50-60 quid and if they were buggy, tough shit.

Kids today don't know how good they've got it.

 

[cookyy2k]

Gaming is a very expensive hobby/lifestyle(?) and as a community we are very vocal with our opinions and after reading "The Dangers of Gamer Entitlement" [http://uk.gamespot.com/features/the-dangers-of-gamer-entitlement-6350732/] I have come to think are we entitled to more from developers and publishers or do we just scream and shout like a spoiled child.

Over all I think we deserve a lot more, according to EULAs and License Agreements we pay a few hundred £/$ to own a license to a console, then we pay £39.99/$59.99 to own the license to a game (which in some digital distribution service can be taken away), at which point DLC is advertised and while we can not pay for it sometimes it is necessary to get the complete experience (see the Mass Effect 3 Prothean character/mission dlc) that may be included on the disc or made during development for pure monetary gain.

After all that we have to appease the local DRM and then if you want to connect your console to the online service you have to pay your ISP (and purchase a Gold Account for Xbox Owners), sign up for the service and then when you are finally online you have to go through system and game updates.

And when we finally get to play the game and it isn't good so a large majority complain (and others resort to pretty insults) we get called "Entitled". As far as I am concerned I see why people pirate games we deserve better, companies do not deserve or earn our money it is a trade of goods and sometimes the goods aren't worth the price.

Yes we deserve better, the prices for games are artificial in the sense it is a standard price companies charge irrespective of the value of the product. They seem to say "any game we release is worth £40" when this obviously isn't true.

The second some fanboy comes and uses "entitled" to describe anyone who doesn't like what a company is doing (like the latest ME3 thing) it is my cue to disregard anything they say or think.

 

[Vegosiux]

I do realize that developers and publishers alike, are all money-hungry, ruthless, utterly-depraved-of-standards... HUMAN BEINGS. Yes, exactly, they're human beings, just like you, and me, and your mom.

Yet some publishers are acting less screwy while some more. So, that somehow tells me they're human beings...DIFFERENT human beings.

We're no different...

Yes, we are. We're different human beings.

and YOU wouldn't do anything different if you were in their position.

And you do not know that.

 

[Epona]

My local grocery store had 2 liter Pepsi's on sale. I should only get 90% of the Pepsi since it was 10% off right? I think you need to develop your theory a little more.

Incorrect. They are actively selling you a new Pepsi at a lower price. They are asking less for a product on their own volition. They have the right to create an asking price for a product, and take a loss in profit if that is the result.
They mark the price down, and you purchase it at that price. You are not buying second hand soda. My theory doesn't need to be developed, reading comprehension, or reasoning may need to be used on the readers end. A marked down soda, is COMPLETELY different than a preowned product. You don't get mad when clothes you buy from the thrift store are of lesser quality do you?

...but I didn't pay FULL PRICE and therefore shouldn't get the FULL experience.

 

[cookyy2k]

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you know what. Congratulations. This is probably the worst argument I have ever seen.

"PEOPLE BK DEN BUY USE BUT EXPECT NEW QUALITY" First of all. Who? Who bought used and expected New? I dont believe that was the majority good sir, because that would be completely illogical to expect new quality with used quality.

The your last point, I assume you THINK it ties everything together, but sorry friend. I dont know how to tell you this. Your argument is logically flawed in every way. You have to tie point a to point B. You cant have some random ass story then assert your point at the end and that is your argument. That's nonsense.
Plus no one is even talking about New versus used. We are talking about day one dlc's. You know content on the disc? You know what people expect when they buy used: the fucking game. NOTHING more, nothing less. When shit is being hacked off for profit, we have a big fucking problem here.

It wont be long before we pay $60 for the engine, textures and 1st level then $10 to download each subsequent level (which are all on the disc of course) and we'll still have people paying it, saying it's a brilliant strategy and calling everyone who says it's awful entitled.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

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you know what. Congratulations. This is probably the worst argument I have ever seen.

"PEOPLE BK DEN BUY USE BUT EXPECT NEW QUALITY" First of all. Who? Who bought used and expected New? I dont believe that was the majority good sir, because that would be completely illogical to expect new quality with used quality.

The your last point, I assume you THINK it ties everything together, but sorry friend. I dont know how to tell you this. Your argument is logically flawed in every way. You have to tie point a to point B. You cant have some random ass story then assert your point at the end and that is your argument. That's nonsense.
Plus no one is even talking about New versus used. We are talking about day one dlc's. You know content on the disc? You know what people expect when they buy used: the fucking game. NOTHING more, nothing less. When shit is being hacked off for profit, we have a big fucking problem here.

It wont be long before we pay $60 for the engine, textures and 1st level then $10 to download each subsequent level (which are all on the disc of course) and we'll still have people paying it, saying it's a brilliant strategy and calling everyone who says it's awful entitled.

Ah yes, slippery slope fallacy, I haven't seen you in a while.

'X has done Y, which means they will eventually do Z'

A pleasure, as always.

 

[Vegosiux]

My local grocery store had 2 liter Pepsi's on sale. I should only get 90% of the Pepsi since it was 10% off right? I think you need to develop your theory a little more.

Incorrect. They are actively selling you a new Pepsi at a lower price. They are asking less for a product on their own volition. They have the right to create an asking price for a product, and take a loss in profit if that is the result.
They mark the price down, and you purchase it at that price. You are not buying second hand soda. My theory doesn't need to be developed, reading comprehension, or reasoning may need to be used on the readers end. A marked down soda, is COMPLETELY different than a preowned product. You don't get mad when clothes you buy from the thrift store are of lesser quality do you?

...but I didn't pay FULL PRICE and therefore shouldn't get the FULL experience.

You did pay the full price.

Full price is whatever the retailer is charging you.

 

[cookyy2k]

If you want an opinion on a company's decisions, buy stocks.
You people make me sick.

sorry but since you've never bought stock in me (or you know even met me) by your own argument you can't have the opinion that my decisions make you sick.

I can happily have an opinion on what a company does without having to own part of that company.

Oh and just in case you insist on your ridiculous point I own stock in Sony, Nintendo and SquareEnix and there are many things they do I hate but I own nowhere near enought shares to make my opinion matter to them because I'm no millionaire...