Did anyone else watch the finale of Ashes to Ashes? What were your thoughts? Personally, I thought it was a great story, well finished!
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I just got off watching the Ashes to Ashes finale
I read the first review I could find online : The Guardian. The man who reviewed it was as stupid and petty as he was overly critical. It annoyed me, because I (a fan of Doctor Parnassus' Imaginarium) thought it was one of the greatest endings to a TV series ever
We made the exact same thread at the exact same time. This one has a poll, so you win
My Thread said thusly
I just got off watching the Ashes to Ashes finale
I read the first review I could find online : The Guardian. The man who reviewed it was as stupid and petty as he was overly critical. It annoyed me, because I (a fan of Doctor Parnassus' Imaginarium) thought it was one of the greatest endings to a TV series ever
Turns out (this will make no sense to non-viewers) that the 80s/The Police station is some sort of purgatory, and Gene is a guardian of dead coppers, attempting to lead them to the light (some sort of heaven) which takes the form of the Railway Arms, the pub from the original series: Life on Mars
Keats (the bespectacled enemy of Gene) turns out to be some sort of devil, attempting to tempt, trick and cheat the dead coppers (Shaz, Chris and Ray) into his 'own department', which is in a lift that only goes down (Hell), full of scantly-clad female officers and cocktail evenings on Friday.
The actual "real-life" crime, revolving around a Dutch gang diamond deal, takes a back seat and serves as a plate on which to serve the glory of the climatic reveal
Sadly, it turns out Alex is also dead, which is a pleasing ending. Not because I want Alex to be dead (heaven forbid), but because it's not all "Happy La La La!"
The reason I loved this so much (and the reason I loved Tom Wait's devil in the Imaginarium), is because it PERFECTLY portrays Good vs Evil. Good isn't a pacifist or a 'perfect happy ending', Good is constantly struggling against the tide, making hard choices and trying to stay the course of righteousness in the face of evil. Evil, on the other hand, has it easy, giving into temptation and all the like. Evil isn't a gibbering madman who hacks apart baby orphans and kittens, Evil is a cheat, a liar and a trickster, portraying himself as the perfect Good Guy to win over the hearts and minds of the souls they battle for, and to make the Good Guy look bad in comparison
I'm in awe of the writing. I didn't see this coming, and I adore it
Your thoughts?
Keats (the bespectacled enemy of Gene) turns out to be some sort of devil, attempting to tempt, trick and cheat the dead coppers (Shaz, Chris and Ray) into his 'own department', which is in a lift that only goes down (Hell), full of scantly-clad female officers and cocktail evenings on Friday.
The actual "real-life" crime, revolving around a Dutch gang diamond deal, takes a back seat and serves as a plate on which to serve the glory of the climatic reveal
Sadly, it turns out Alex is also dead, which is a pleasing ending. Not because I want Alex to be dead (heaven forbid), but because it's not all "Happy La La La!"
The reason I loved this so much (and the reason I loved Tom Wait's devil in the Imaginarium), is because it PERFECTLY portrays Good vs Evil. Good isn't a pacifist or a 'perfect happy ending', Good is constantly struggling against the tide, making hard choices and trying to stay the course of righteousness in the face of evil. Evil, on the other hand, has it easy, giving into temptation and all the like. Evil isn't a gibbering madman who hacks apart baby orphans and kittens, Evil is a cheat, a liar and a trickster, portraying himself as the perfect Good Guy to win over the hearts and minds of the souls they battle for, and to make the Good Guy look bad in comparison
I'm in awe of the writing. I didn't see this coming, and I adore it
Your thoughts?
Well Furburt, (always wanted to say that) I thought that this series finale would be a make or break. For me, it made my day, (and year for that matter.) But I'm not sure if it would be right for you. It brings back a lot of stuff from Life on Mars, so there is a small chance of having your happy LOM memories tarnished if you watch. It was very clever though, how they rounded it off. Just remember that if you want to watch Ashes to Ashes seriously, (ie all the way through, to understand...) make sure you watch all of the preceding episodes as well. Or you could get very, very lost!Furburt said:
My thoughts? It was the best thing I've seen on tv in a long time. Everything tied up, with a completely smack-in-the-face ending that was utterly unexpected, (for me) but that made complete sense! Great stuff!GrinningManiac said:
I liked it, especially the debate that took part in my house as to whats going on.
Although can someone wrap one thing up for me? :-
Although can someone wrap one thing up for me? :-
I'm guessing that Jim was supposed to be the devil and that Hunts world is purgatory? This is the one thing thats been confusing me.
Yes that would be correct,wooty said:
Note Alex telling Jim to 'go to hell' and the screaming souls with the elevator going down.
Screw Sam Tyler! Seeing Nelson made it all perfect!
Such a happy fellow...
Is he meant to be some sort of Angel/Saint/GOD!?
Such a happy fellow...
Is he meant to be some sort of Angel/Saint/GOD!?
Gonna say what I said in the other thread...which seems to have vanished for me now:
I loved it, it wasn't what I was expecting, and I was hoping for Sam to appear at some point in the episode, but I really enjoyed it. Plus, the more I think about it the more I realise they must have had it planned since the start of Life on Mars. For example, Annie
It's small things like that, damn I'm going to miss the show...and with Lost ending next week I dunno what I'm gonna watch. Where am I gonna get my "mysterious get everyone talking about it tv show" fix?
I loved it, it wasn't what I was expecting, and I was hoping for Sam to appear at some point in the episode, but I really enjoyed it. Plus, the more I think about it the more I realise they must have had it planned since the start of Life on Mars. For example, Annie
throuh-out the first series of life on mars, Sam is seeing a woman in red being kicked, supposedly to death. In ep 8 it was revealed to be annie, who he stopped from dying. But in the regular timeline she would have died and been transported to Gene's world
It's small things like that, damn I'm going to miss the show...and with Lost ending next week I dunno what I'm gonna watch. Where am I gonna get my "mysterious get everyone talking about it tv show" fix?
I have to say I spent most of that episode in a continuous state of WTF.
Although if Keats is Satan, then that would imply that Gene Hunt is GOD. I like that.
Fantastic.
I loved LoM, and Ashes to Ashes got very nearly as good come the second series. Excellent stuff.
I wasn't looking forward to this episode, as I thought a "full stop" on it all would diminish the whole story. I loved being able to take my own interpretation on the end of Life on Mars, and thought some kind of explanation would ruin that. Most of all, I was scared that it would end liek the American version of Life on Mars, and they'd all be space! This fear x10 when they all started seeing stars.
However, I thought that episode tied it all up perfectly, in a way I didn't think the writers could. I'll now watch Life on Mars again, and see little things in it in a completely new way.
Perfect.
I loved LoM, and Ashes to Ashes got very nearly as good come the second series. Excellent stuff.
I wasn't looking forward to this episode, as I thought a "full stop" on it all would diminish the whole story. I loved being able to take my own interpretation on the end of Life on Mars, and thought some kind of explanation would ruin that. Most of all, I was scared that it would end liek the American version of Life on Mars, and they'd all be space! This fear x10 when they all started seeing stars.
However, I thought that episode tied it all up perfectly, in a way I didn't think the writers could. I'll now watch Life on Mars again, and see little things in it in a completely new way.
Perfect.
EDIT Woops quoted the wrong person -
Wait, with this and Bruce Almighty around.......Is God always black?
DEFINITELY GOD. Nelson is awesome.GrinningManiac said:
Wait, with this and Bruce Almighty around.......Is God always black?