Poll: Avatar vs. Avatar: Which Came First?

[Lord Krunk]

A week ago I got into a conversation with 2 guys about various things, going from tangent to tangent until the topic came to this:

Me: "Mark Hamill. You know he was in Avatar, right? Well, the one that came first."

Them: "You mean James Cameron's Avatar?"

Me: "...what?"

Them: "That one came first."

Just to clarify the facts:

Avatar: TLA - 2005

JC's Avatar - 2009

And this was the notion I was running on. The facts. But apparently JC's been writing this whole thing for 15 years (to which I can't disprove and they can't prove but numbers were on their side, Democracy in action eh?) which was long before The Last Airbender's first airing. What resulted between these two arguments was a massive flame war that lasted ages until I just decided to drop it out of boredom, taking them for idiots and moving on.

But then the subject popped up again just yesterday. Except this time it was an entire class against me and I had to double back really fast to get out of that.

So basically, becuase Cameron apprarently said he was writing Avatar for 15 years his one came first. Am I going mad or is this valid? Too many people (and a couple of smart ones too) believe it but I just can't see it.

So what's your opinion? Does development beat copyright? Is everyone I know really gullible or am I just opposing the masses?

Discuss.

EDIT: Clarification: The topic is not about the subject matter but more about the strength of opinion on such inane subjects and the masses' seeming willingness to believe anything a famous person tells them over a statistic. I honestly don't care which came first but I left leeway for you to discuss that matter as well.

I mean honestly, I throw you an original thread (oh, and how many repeat threads I see before me) and people comment on how inane it is. This is why I never post here anymore, but I digress again.

 

[CoverYourHead]

Since they have absolutely nothing in common except the name, and I doubt Cameron was thinking "Avatar!" for the entire time he was creating it, I'd have to say that The Last Airbender came first. It was in existence first, even though it (probably) wasn't being created before Cameron's.

 

[lokust2001]

I'm not going crazy am I?? This is the stupidist thread ever to be posted right?
I know I should expect inane-ness on any forum, but seriously.

 

[stabnex]

I don't see why something so trivial bothers you so much. It's just a name. Neither has anything to do with the other and just because they share a word in their title doesn't put them in direct competition of one another. Leave it be and you'll find yourself at peace.

 

[Superior Mind]

My suggestion is to stop arguing about the matter as of right this instant to avoid painful memories of looking back at yourself and realising what an idoit you were for trying to distinguish two things that have nothing in common but a name by "which came first". No offence meant, I aim to protect not to chastise.

I'm forced to stop now to avoid my own painful memories of looking back and realising that I atually commented on a thread asking which "Avatar" came first. Fuck it, too late for that now.

 

[JeanLuc761]

I'm not certain I understand the argument here. It's difficult to judge which came first based upon development time alone (anyone can pull a number out of their ass), but what really boggles me is that you say there was a flame war about this.

Matter of fact, why do people care which came first? They're two entirely different things that happen to share a single word of their title, and absolutely no similarity in content.

...unless they're referring to the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie which releases sometime next month?

 

[Lord Krunk]

I'm not going crazy am I?? This is the stupidist thread ever to be posted right?
I know I should expect inane-ness on any forum, but seriously.

Well that's the whole point, just how inane the argument is. Im honestly surprised so many people believe James Cameron's Avatar came first, but that's exatly what I've found.

Might I be correct in assuming you didn't read the OP?

 

[MrNickster]

Camerons Avatar hypothetically exsted before Avatar TLA, but not in any form that would be viewable to an audience in a theatre.

At time of writing, Camerons Avatar was the first in existance (If what he says about writing it is true) but when it comes to release dates, Avatar TLA wins. It just depends on which one you clarrify as 'existing' first.

 

[El Poncho]

I hate when i'm talking about Avatar now and have to say the anime because some how people relate it to Pocahontus in space.

People knew about the anime first, so I'd say it was first.

EDIT: Although as you can see I am very bias

 

[Vampire cat]

Avatar: The Last Airbender is just that; Avatar: The Last Airbender!

JC's Avatar is just that too; aboslute rubbish JC's Avatar!

And Avatar: The Last Airbender came first, yes... So did the egg!

What came first; JC's Avatar or Pocahontas OO'.

 

[SomeLameStuff]

...unless they're referring to the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie which releases sometime next month?

It would make sense, but they dropped "Avatar" from its title, so I doubt they're mixing it with that.

 

[rokkolpo]

A week ago I got into a conversation with 2 guys about various things, going from tangent to tangent until the topic came to this:

Me: "Mark Hamill. You know he was in Avatar, right? Well, the one that came first."

Them: "You mean James Cameron's Avatar?"

Me: "...what?"

Them: "That one came first."

Just to clarify the facts:

Avatar: TLA - 2005

JC's Avatar - 2009

And this was the notion I was running on. The facts. But apparently JC's been writing this whole thing for 15 years (to which I can't disprove and they can't prove but numbers were on their side, Democracy in action eh?) which was long before The Last Airbender's first airing. What resulted between these two arguments was a massive flame war that lasted ages until I just decided to drop it out of boredom, taking them for idiots and moving on.

But then the subject popped up again just yesterday. Except this time it was an entire class against me and I had to double back really fast to get out of that.

So basically, becuase Cameron apprarently said he was writing Avatar for 15 years his one came first. Am I going mad or is this valid? Too many people (and a couple of smart ones too) believe it but I just can't see it.

So what's your opinion? Does development beat copyright? Is everyone I know really gullible or am I just opposing the masses?

Discuss.

doesn't count. one could also argue that the makers of avatar t.v. show have had it in their minds since they were five.

 

[Lord Krunk]

I don't see why something so trivial bothers you so much. It's just a name. Neither has anything to do with the other and just because they share a word in their title doesn't put them in direct competition of one another. Leave it be and you'll find yourself at peace.

I'm not certain I understand the argument here. It's difficult to judge which came first based upon development time alone (anyone can pull a number out of their ass), but what really boggles me is that you say there was a flame war about this.

Matter of fact, why do people care which came first? They're two entirely different things that happen to share a single word of their title, and absolutely no similarity in content.

The discussion was less about the content and more about the use of the title, just so you know. Funnily enough a flame war happened with James Cameron himself over the use of the title in M. Night. Shyamalan's movie.

But I digress. The whole point of this is all about just how inane it is. It doesn't really matter to me the subject matter at hand but how easily people believe what they're told.

I honestly thought I was born to an age of cynicism.

I'll edit the OP so the same misconception isn't made by anyone else that reads this.

 

[Darth_Dude]

Does it really matter? Come on guys.

 

[Ulquiorra4sama]

Depends on how you look at it. As far as release dates go then The Last Airbender came out first, but didn't the making of James Cameron's Avatar take like 10 years? If so, then James Cameron's Avatar is older the way i see it.

 

[JeanLuc761]

The discussion was less about the content and more about the use of the title, just so you know. Funnily enough a flame war happened with James Cameron himself over the use of the title in M. Night. Shyamalan's movie.

But I digress. The whole point of this is all about just how inane it is. It doesn't really matter to me the subject matter at hand but how easily people believe what they're told.

I honestly thought I was born to an age of cynicism.

I'll edit the OP so the same misconception isn't made by anyone else that reads this.

So...so hang on, let me see if I get this because it's blowing my mind.

People are bitching that the TITLE is the same, even though the content couldn't be more different?
...Faith in Humanity (-25)

 

[Mr.Mattress]

I hate both James Cameron's Avatar and Avatar: The Last Air Bender. But I am going to have to say that James's Avatar came first, due to the fact he began writing it right after the Titanic.

Also: Stop bickering about which Avatar came first.

 

[Robert632]

Avatar TLA was the first that as veiwable, so it came out first. It's a simple answer really.