Poll: Bans on Circumcision?

[Zarmi]

Banned for kids, I say. People should make their own decision if they want to get circumcised, and they can't do that as small children.

 

[gillebro]

I think as an adult you should be allowed to do whatever you damn well want (also i think fellas, if you were to chop part of your junk off, neither you nor your lady partners would thank you), but circumcising baby boys is cruel. it hurts them so much that they go into shock.

No they don't

it has no medical benefits at all (what is this crap about circumcised penises being cleaner? seriously? it's called WASHING)

You'd be amazed how many people can't do it properly. Other than that it's very difficult to cleap a hooded penis as clean as a circumsised one

and it's just inhumane! i'm so glad that in australia and england it isn't as practiced as it is in america.

You may surprised, but it's done loads. The only differnece between the US and the rest of the world, is that there are more circumisions done for religious reasons.

i dunno, yanks... i heard somewhere that you have to request not to have your child circumcised now. please tell me that's not true...

It's not true. Don't feel all threatened about circumcisions, it's absolutely nothing. Generally people feel squeamish about them because they are uneducated, or they believe silly rumours. I suppose if you relate the concept of circumcision or castration, it can be scary, but the reality is far from it. The foreskin is rather like the human tail-useless thanks to evolution, but with no reason to loose it fully. Thousands of people (perhaps millions) have circumcisions, and have very very normal lives. There is nothing wrong or humiliating, or mutilating about it, not unless you are a very shallow and simple human being. Female circumcision, now that's a different matter altogether

I'm relieved to hear that.

What do you mean they don't go into shock? they start falling asleep. that's shock.

i know people have circumcisions and go on to have normal lives and all that. i'm not going to tell somebody they're a total moron for choosing to have it done. I might question why they would want to lose half the nerve endings on their penis, but whatever... maybe they find they're oversensitive, or that sex is far too pleasurable for them, or something.

as for uncircumcised penises being harder to wash, well... i guess. extra folds and all, but heaps of us have to make do with our bits that are harder to wash than most other people's. i, for instance, am fat. those folds are a ***** to get clean, but i manage it. i apologise if that's tmi, but you hear what i'm saying. i don't think the fact that it's easier to clean is grounds enough to do it. i do however think that the fact that it sends babies into shock (sorry, i'm not going to agree with you on that matter. i've seen footage and it was alarming), it cuts off half the nerve endings down there, it was promoted by fundamentalist christians whose aim was to stop boys from touching themselves, it's unnecessary surgery and, hello, it makes your dick smaller!! is enough reason NOT to do it.

 

[Koroviev]

One thing people appear to be missing in this thread is that it is actually possible to regain what was cut away with a simple method. People talk about this stuff like it isn't reversible, but it is like Penn and Teller showed during an episode dedicated about circumcision.

That means that if you grow up later and want the removed parts back, then you can actually get them back. Thus there is no real reason for a ban.

Why should men have to go through a procedure to restore what was taken from them when we could just prevent parents from removing it in the first place?

 

[awesomeClaw]

I think all circumcision on children should be banned. (Except for medical reasons, ofcourse.)
ESPECIALLY religious circumcision. After you´re 18 though?

Sure, cut the foreskin of your dick, who cares, but a parent should NEVER be allowed to do it for any other reason than medical.

 

[Justank]

People who are circumcised always spout the same argument for circumcision, and I don't get it.
I'm pretty sick of all the misconceptions about it. There is absolutely no reason to do it "just because".
I've lived 27 years uncircumcised and have not had any issues with cleanliness. It absolutely does detract from sexual pleasure, weather you know it or not, because there are TONS of nerve endings in the foreskin, which also protects the head of the penis and keeps it more sensitive. Also, it is not simply a bit of extra superfluous skin "like a finger nail" as an earlier post said, circumcision involves removing half the surface area of the penis.

Watch this video, listen to the baby screaming, then shut the fuck up.
WARNING, REALLY GRAPHIC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDuDhkiDdns

See, the sexual pleasure thing is what I'm curious to hear a point of view on from someone who had the circumcision done later in life, like 25+. I have no issues whatsoever with the pleasure I get from sex, and I don't really see having 50% more of the same tissue making that much of a difference. But to hear from someone who has experienced both would be very interesting.

 

[Bloodstain]

Medical reasons yes. But otherwise it should be illegal until a person is 18.

Its not circumcision. Thats just a pretty word for "GENITAL MUTILATION". Its a sick and twisted act commited by demented and sick religious types.

And people who think it looks better. I hate those people.
I agree with you, complete ban for people under the age of 18, unless it has medical reasons.

 

[ReaperzXIII]

Ok you guys make circumcision seem way worst than it is, I'm circumcised it makes absolutely no difference to me, I don't remember the pain and it doesn't really effect me other than I dont have a foreskin.

 

[Koroviev]

It's all about hygiene, banning this is ridiculous.

It's also better to be done before you can remember it.

As far as loss of sensation, HELL YEAH!! I couldn't imagine having more sensation there, I would..... never mind. For females tho? That doesn't sound right, and some countries force them at a later age to get them, and that's fucked up.

If it's all about hygiene, then I think guys should just clean themselves. Surgery is a little extreme.

That second part doesn't make any sense. Yes, some men will very likely have to have their foreskin removed for medical reasons. However, most men will not. So, are you saying that because some men will need the procedure at some point, it is more efficient to remove everyone's foreskin? Again, that seems a little extreme.

 

[Ham_authority95]

It's a piece of flesh on a junk. Why is anyone caring about this?

 

[Monshroud]

Just to toss in a medical reason for circumcision:

Several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex.

This information is from: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm

If you follow other research in the field you also find that men who are circumcised have lower risks of getting other types of STD's as well.

 

[mirasiel]

Ban it for those under your local age of consent (usually 18).


I am uncircumcised and I can say that for myself, yeah that inch or so of skin is pretty damn sensitive, a good deal more than the shaft but less than the head*. Its easy to keep clean, when I take a shower or bath, roll it back, apply soap/gel, rub gentle, rinse....its not hard (unless you rub too much), takes a few seconds every day, you only get dick cheese if you dont wash for several days. As for the callousing/desnsitising of the head, it can happen depending on several factors. mainly where your junk swings and what it rubs against.

It is mutilation of a person who cannot consent. Yes if the purpose is genuine medical then have at it but that is a very small percentage of the number of circumcision.

I get that it is tradition for some groups but we *do* choose to not respect religious traditions that conflict with our social and legal values, off the top of my head parts of Sharia law comes to mind and this should be one of them.

If the person chooses to do so at the AoC then that is there choice and I respect it.

As for female cicumcision, I wont even pretend I think of it as anything less than child abuse, pure and simple.


*this part of the post was a lot more graphic pre-edit but I figured we are mostly adults here and can figure out the situations where +sensitivity is good but to the guy who said "do you really want a more sensitive dick?" I say yes, I dont have problems with staying power thank you and even if I did cutting parts off seems drastic compared to learning willpower and self control, Im sure you could find a partner who is happy to help you learn.


/edit: Really you're gonna go with it stops the spread of Hiv...a little well christ man thats what condoms and sex education are for. Surgery shouldn't be considered any sort of answer to the problem

 

[Kortney]

I'm from an Islamic background, so I've come to deal with it a bit. I'm a female though, so not directly.

I think it should be banned unless for religious or medical reasons. Cutting off a child's foreskin just because you think it looks nicer without it or because it's slightly easier to clean is child abuse in my books, and in fifty years it will be banned in a lot more places.

I mean, a foreskin is really just a useless extra layer of skin.

Completely untrue.

 

[Koroviev]

Just to toss in a medical reason for circumcision:

Several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex.

This information is from: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm

If you follow other research in the field you also find that men who are circumcised have lower risks of getting other types of STD's as well.

I don't dispute this. As a matter of fact, circumcision is not such a bad idea in developing nations. However, it is not as practical when it comes to developed nations. Condoms are not only more effective at protecting men, but also protect women. Therefore, I think it makes more sense to encourage condom usage, a much less extreme, yet much more effective alternative to circumcision.

 

[jtwolf85]

Heres what i know about it. i have a friend thats not circumcised and he says he gets LESS satisfaction out of sex than a normal person because its in the way. He also said it was alot easier to get infections as well since its all extra skin ya know. Plus my step father just had one and he was in so much pain for a few weeks and couldnt walk right or anything. As for me im circumcised and im glad i had it done when i was little so i cant remember it hurting and such lol.

 

[Koroviev]

It's a piece of flesh on a junk. Why is anyone caring about this?

Eh, you're oversimplifying the situation. At a deeper level, it is about parental rights versus human rights.

 

[Koroviev]

Heres what i know about it. i have a friend thats not circumcised and he says he gets LESS satisfaction out of sex than a normal person because its in the way. He also said it was alot easier to get infections as well since its all extra skin ya know. Plus my step father just had one and he was in so much pain for a few weeks and couldnt walk right or anything. As for me im circumcised and im glad i had it done when i was little so i cant remember it hurting and such lol.

That is good and well for you, but anecdotal evidence is not good support for circumcision.

 

[Lexodus]

Why would you ban it? I'm circumcised, and the only time I've ever had an issue with being so is when somebody finds out I'm Jewish and their immediate question is 'Lolol do u haz a forskin guyz', and not because I'm ashamed to say no, because I'm not (and in my opinion uncut does look disgusting), instead because some fat bearded fuck is asking me what my schwonce looks like. Besides, health benefits, whilst small in most cases (although the reduced risk of STDs is pretty fucking useful, and even if condoms do help it can't hurt to have two measures of protection), are still benefits, particularly with kids, who often don't want to bathe or clean themselves.

 

[Koroviev]

I voted "No".
If a person wants to get circumsied, then that person should be allowed to get it.
Likewise, some Must get it because their foreskin is to tight.

I think I agree with you. However, if your position is what I think it is, then I'm not sure you looked at all of the options available in the poll.

 

[Ampersand]

Adults can do what they like as long as the don't subject thier kids (or anyone) to their crazy religious traditions.

 

[Koroviev]

Why would you ban it? I'm circumcised, and the only time I've ever had an issue with being so is when somebody finds out I'm Jewish and their immediate question is 'Lolol do u haz a forskin guyz', and not because I'm ashamed to say no, because I'm not (and in my opinion uncut does look disgusting), instead because some fat bearded fuck is asking me what my schwonce looks like. Besides, health benefits, whilst small, are still benefits, particularly with kids, who often don't want to bathe or clean themselves.

I think encouraging kids to bathe is a lot less extreme than performing surgery on them /: