Poll: Bans on Circumcision?

[Koroviev]

It's all about hygiene, banning this is ridiculous.

It's also better to be done before you can remember it.

As far as loss of sensation, HELL YEAH!! I couldn't imagine having more sensation there, I would..... never mind. For females tho? That doesn't sound right, and some countries force them at a later age to get them, and that's fucked up.

If it's all about hygiene, then I think guys should just clean themselves. Surgery is a little extreme.

That second part doesn't make any sense. Yes, some men will very likely have to have their foreskin removed for medical reasons. However, most men will not. So, are you saying that because some men will need the procedure at some point, it is more efficient to remove everyone's foreskin? Again, that seems a little extreme.

 

[Ham_authority95]

It's a piece of flesh on a junk. Why is anyone caring about this?

 

[Monshroud]

Just to toss in a medical reason for circumcision:

Several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex.

This information is from: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm

If you follow other research in the field you also find that men who are circumcised have lower risks of getting other types of STD's as well.

 

[mirasiel]

Ban it for those under your local age of consent (usually 18).


I am uncircumcised and I can say that for myself, yeah that inch or so of skin is pretty damn sensitive, a good deal more than the shaft but less than the head*. Its easy to keep clean, when I take a shower or bath, roll it back, apply soap/gel, rub gentle, rinse....its not hard (unless you rub too much), takes a few seconds every day, you only get dick cheese if you dont wash for several days. As for the callousing/desnsitising of the head, it can happen depending on several factors. mainly where your junk swings and what it rubs against.

It is mutilation of a person who cannot consent. Yes if the purpose is genuine medical then have at it but that is a very small percentage of the number of circumcision.

I get that it is tradition for some groups but we *do* choose to not respect religious traditions that conflict with our social and legal values, off the top of my head parts of Sharia law comes to mind and this should be one of them.

If the person chooses to do so at the AoC then that is there choice and I respect it.

As for female cicumcision, I wont even pretend I think of it as anything less than child abuse, pure and simple.


*this part of the post was a lot more graphic pre-edit but I figured we are mostly adults here and can figure out the situations where +sensitivity is good but to the guy who said "do you really want a more sensitive dick?" I say yes, I dont have problems with staying power thank you and even if I did cutting parts off seems drastic compared to learning willpower and self control, Im sure you could find a partner who is happy to help you learn.


/edit: Really you're gonna go with it stops the spread of Hiv...a little well christ man thats what condoms and sex education are for. Surgery shouldn't be considered any sort of answer to the problem

 

[Kortney]

I'm from an Islamic background, so I've come to deal with it a bit. I'm a female though, so not directly.

I think it should be banned unless for religious or medical reasons. Cutting off a child's foreskin just because you think it looks nicer without it or because it's slightly easier to clean is child abuse in my books, and in fifty years it will be banned in a lot more places.

I mean, a foreskin is really just a useless extra layer of skin.

Completely untrue.

 

[Koroviev]

Just to toss in a medical reason for circumcision:

Several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex.

This information is from: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm

If you follow other research in the field you also find that men who are circumcised have lower risks of getting other types of STD's as well.

I don't dispute this. As a matter of fact, circumcision is not such a bad idea in developing nations. However, it is not as practical when it comes to developed nations. Condoms are not only more effective at protecting men, but also protect women. Therefore, I think it makes more sense to encourage condom usage, a much less extreme, yet much more effective alternative to circumcision.

 

[jtwolf85]

Heres what i know about it. i have a friend thats not circumcised and he says he gets LESS satisfaction out of sex than a normal person because its in the way. He also said it was alot easier to get infections as well since its all extra skin ya know. Plus my step father just had one and he was in so much pain for a few weeks and couldnt walk right or anything. As for me im circumcised and im glad i had it done when i was little so i cant remember it hurting and such lol.

 

[Koroviev]

It's a piece of flesh on a junk. Why is anyone caring about this?

Eh, you're oversimplifying the situation. At a deeper level, it is about parental rights versus human rights.

 

[Koroviev]

Heres what i know about it. i have a friend thats not circumcised and he says he gets LESS satisfaction out of sex than a normal person because its in the way. He also said it was alot easier to get infections as well since its all extra skin ya know. Plus my step father just had one and he was in so much pain for a few weeks and couldnt walk right or anything. As for me im circumcised and im glad i had it done when i was little so i cant remember it hurting and such lol.

That is good and well for you, but anecdotal evidence is not good support for circumcision.

 

[Lexodus]

Why would you ban it? I'm circumcised, and the only time I've ever had an issue with being so is when somebody finds out I'm Jewish and their immediate question is 'Lolol do u haz a forskin guyz', and not because I'm ashamed to say no, because I'm not (and in my opinion uncut does look disgusting), instead because some fat bearded fuck is asking me what my schwonce looks like. Besides, health benefits, whilst small in most cases (although the reduced risk of STDs is pretty fucking useful, and even if condoms do help it can't hurt to have two measures of protection), are still benefits, particularly with kids, who often don't want to bathe or clean themselves.

 

[Koroviev]

I voted "No".
If a person wants to get circumsied, then that person should be allowed to get it.
Likewise, some Must get it because their foreskin is to tight.

I think I agree with you. However, if your position is what I think it is, then I'm not sure you looked at all of the options available in the poll.

 

[Ampersand]

Adults can do what they like as long as the don't subject thier kids (or anyone) to their crazy religious traditions.

 

[Koroviev]

Why would you ban it? I'm circumcised, and the only time I've ever had an issue with being so is when somebody finds out I'm Jewish and their immediate question is 'Lolol do u haz a forskin guyz', and not because I'm ashamed to say no, because I'm not (and in my opinion uncut does look disgusting), instead because some fat bearded fuck is asking me what my schwonce looks like. Besides, health benefits, whilst small, are still benefits, particularly with kids, who often don't want to bathe or clean themselves.

I think encouraging kids to bathe is a lot less extreme than performing surgery on them /:

 

[Ham_authority95]

It's a piece of flesh on a junk. Why is anyone caring about this?

Eh, you're oversimplifying the situation. At a deeper level, it is about parental rights versus human rights.

Maybe I'm over-simplifying it because I don't care enough about it to waste any time complicating it.

 

[mirasiel]

I think it should be banned unless for religious or medical reasons. Cutting off a child's foreskin just because you think it looks nicer without it or because it's slightly easier to clean is child abuse in my books, and in fifty years it will be banned in a lot more places.

Im sorry but how is a religious reason more valid than a cosmetic reason?

Both are done for the benefits of the parents beliefs, no?


Is "God said to do it" really more acceptable than "I think it looks better" ?

 

[Monshroud]

Just to toss in a medical reason for circumcision:

Several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex.

This information is from: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm

If you follow other research in the field you also find that men who are circumcised have lower risks of getting other types of STD's as well.

I don't dispute this. As a matter of fact, circumcision is not such a bad idea in developing nations. However, it is not as practical when it comes to developed nations. Condoms are not only more effective at protecting men, but also protect women. Therefore, I think it makes more sense to encourage condom usage, a much less extreme, yet much more effective alternative to circumcision.

I agree with what you said. I also know that the youth of developed nations aren't the brightest folk. As a parent, do you want to trust that your kids will always use protection and that they will have one or very few sexual partners with whom they could contract an STD? Circumcising your boys can help keep them safer. That reasoning may not be good enough for you, and that's fine. I would rather keep my kids as safe as possible.

 

[Tekkawarrior]

Medical reasons yes. But otherwise it should be illegal until a person is 18.

Its not circumcision. Thats just a pretty word for "GENITAL MUTILATION". Its a sick and twisted act commited by demented and sick religious types.

I'd like to insult you, but I wont because I don't want to get suspended or banned.
However, I don't like you at all.

OT: I am circumcised and loving it.

 

[Koroviev]

It's a piece of flesh on a junk. Why is anyone caring about this?

Eh, you're oversimplifying the situation. At a deeper level, it is about parental rights versus human rights.

Maybe I'm over-simplifying it because I don't care enough about it to waste any time complicating it.

Fair enough