Poll: Bans on Circumcision?

[Justank]

Lots of nerve endings there.

You say this over and over again, yet the article you linked listed a study saying that there wasn't a difference in how much people could feel.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/103/3/686

Under SEXUAL PRACTICE, SENSATION, AND CIRCUMCISION STATUS

 

[mike1921]

I mean I seriously don't know any negative sides to it

That's your problem. Having it removed decreases penis sensitivity a lot

Some people just seem to be opposed children being exposed to any form of pain what so ever. I mean grow up, it's actually better when done at a young age. The child may not have a say in it but it's not like the parents are choosing to remove a vital part of every day to day life.

....You do realize how much getting your foreskin removed hurts right? You make it sound like getting a booster shot. Also, why get it done at all?

Lots of nerve endings there.

You say this over and over again, yet the article you linked listed a study saying that there wasn't a difference in how much people could feel.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/103/3/686

Under SEXUAL PRACTICE, SENSATION, AND CIRCUMCISION STATUS

Then what about this one http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06685.x/abstract

The glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. Circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis.

 

[fullbleed]

All I remember about my circumcision from the age of 7 is waking up in the hospital, eating some toast and biscuits, limping to the car, getting a Batmobile, and having black stitches in my winky until they floated away in the bath. Oh, and being excited that I got to move to wearng baggy boxer shorts instead of Y-fronts. I dunno why I was excited but dammit I was young, on morphine, had a Batmobile and a new penis that was getting treated to a new, baggy home. Hell yeah.

Win, I think I had the choice of a Buzz Lightyear or an Optimus Prime. I went with Optimus and I don't regret it.

I don't want to have to say this again but, it's not fucking mutilation! I'm not smashing my hand with a hammer, the body functions perfectly fine without it it's like losing an appendix. Is all surgery mutilation? Having a kidney removed is that mutilation?

 

[Justank]

I mean I seriously don't know any negative sides to it

That's your problem. Having it removed decreases penis sensitivity a lot

Some people just seem to be opposed children being exposed to any form of pain what so ever. I mean grow up, it's actually better when done at a young age. The child may not have a say in it but it's not like the parents are choosing to remove a vital part of every day to day life.

....You do realize how much getting your foreskin removed hurts right? You make it sound like getting a booster shot. Also, why get it done at all?

Lots of nerve endings there.

You say this over and over again, yet the article you linked listed a study saying that there wasn't a difference in how much people could feel.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/103/3/686

Under SEXUAL PRACTICE, SENSATION, AND CIRCUMCISION STATUS

Then what about this one http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06685.x/abstract

The glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. Circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis.

So now you've linked two studies that contradict each other. Basically we're down to some people can feel more with their penis and some people can't.

 

[fullbleed]

I mean I seriously don't know any negative sides to it

That's your problem. Having it removed decreases penis sensitivity a lot

It hasn't left my penis fucking dead, there is still plenty of sensation I can tell you. Decreased sensation yes but by how much? I can still feel with it, it's not been reduced to a useless lump of flesh. All of the claims about reduced sensation seem to be vastly over exagerated.

 

[mike1921]

I mean I seriously don't know any negative sides to it

That's your problem. Having it removed decreases penis sensitivity a lot

It hasn't left my penis fucking dead, there is still plenty of sensation I can tell you. Decreased sensation yes but by how much? I can still feel with it, it's not been reduced to a useless lump of flesh. All of the claims about reduced sensation seem to be vastly over exagerated.

So? Just because it could be worse doesn't mean your parents should have the right to force the choice of it onto you when you're an infant when it obviously has negative consequences and not extremely significant benefits.

 

[Justank]

I mean I seriously don't know any negative sides to it

That's your problem. Having it removed decreases penis sensitivity a lot

It hasn't left my penis fucking dead, there is still plenty of sensation I can tell you. Decreased sensation yes but by how much? I can still feel with it, it's not been reduced to a useless lump of flesh. All of the claims about reduced sensation seem to be vastly over exagerated.

So? Just because it could be worse doesn't mean your parents should have the right to force the choice of it onto you when you're an infant when it obviously has negative consequences.

It doesn't obviously have any consequences. Both sides have cited studies now showing that it does and it doesn't, and people who are uncircumcised and circumcised are quite happy with their state. I didn't have a choice, and I'm glad I didn't. I love my penis just the way it is, and I'm glad it was done when I was a baby so I didn't have to have any memory of it.

 

[fullbleed]

You know what I don't care, I wouldn't mind if it was or wasn't circumcised. It seems to be a mostly cosmetic difference and personally I think it looks better without a foreskin. I didn't have a choice, it had to be done for medical reasons as a child because it was too tight. Do I hate my parents for it, has it left me a bitter scared shell of a man? No, and I got an Optimus Prime toy.

 

[Koroviev]

(This post is protected against appeals to tradition. Don't even try.)

I wish it would be possible to call out fallacies in advance and no one would use them.

Even if we could only do one I'd start each post with No Straw Men and most of the partisan bullshit flinging would end.

Except if it involves a group of extremists and/or criminals then I'd start out with No No True Scotsman

inorite? Wishful thinking .__.

 

[mike1921]

I mean I seriously don't know any negative sides to it

That's your problem. Having it removed decreases penis sensitivity a lot

It hasn't left my penis fucking dead, there is still plenty of sensation I can tell you. Decreased sensation yes but by how much? I can still feel with it, it's not been reduced to a useless lump of flesh. All of the claims about reduced sensation seem to be vastly over exagerated.

So? Just because it could be worse doesn't mean your parents should have the right to force the choice of it onto you when you're an infant when it obviously has negative consequences.

It doesn't obviously have any consequences. Both sides have cited studies now showing that it does and it doesn't, and people who are uncircumcised and circumcised are quite happy with their state. I didn't have a choice, and I'm glad I didn't. I love my penis just the way it is, and I'm glad it was done when I was a baby so I didn't have to have any memory of it.

I'm not happy with my state of being circumcised. Also, just because you're better off never having made the choice doesn't mean that everyone else is.

 

[Justank]

I'm not happy with my state of being circumcised. Also, just because you're better off never having made the choice doesn't mean that everyone else is.

Out of curiosity, why are you unhappy about it?

 

[tkioz]

To Ban something is to say that its wrong, many cultures have it as a symbolic thing, are these places saying that this part of their culture is wrong, and is it medically dangerous?

As a general rule... Hell Yes... I can and do say that some cultures are just plain wrong when it comes to some of their practices, I know it's not PC to say, but damn, some cultures do some shit that is just plain disgusting.

Stoning for example. If you really must put someone to death, at least do it quickly and cleanly, stoning is one of the worst ways to die.

Female circumcision is another grossly wrong "cultural" tradition.

How about foot binding? Neck lengthing? Skull binding?

So yes, some cultures have practices that are just plain freaking sick, and I will make that moral judgement.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Do I hate my parents for it, has it left me a bitter scared shell of a man? No, and I got an Optimus Prime toy.

I wasn't bitter and scarred (well, not emotionally) until I realise how many of you got cool toys. I probably got a toy but not a cool toy because I was 2 and it was 1975... You know how many cool toys for 2 year olds existed in 1975? None.

Hmmm... You think 35 years later is a bit too long to demand a cool toy for being circumcised?

 

[mike1921]

I'm not happy with my state of being circumcised. Also, just because you're better off never having made the choice doesn't mean that everyone else is.

Out of curiosity, why are you unhappy about it?

Sensitivity decrease. Which at the very least we can agree has some evidence for happening.

 

[Justank]

I'm not happy with my state of being circumcised. Also, just because you're better off never having made the choice doesn't mean that everyone else is.

Out of curiosity, why are you unhappy about it?

Sensitivity decrease. Which at the very least we can agree has some evidence for happening.

I can agree that it is certainly possible, but it's definitely not guaranteed. Perhaps my penis is desensitized and I just don't know, but to be frank I find I have a great deal of sensitivity down there and I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

 

[mike1921]

I'm not happy with my state of being circumcised. Also, just because you're better off never having made the choice doesn't mean that everyone else is.

Out of curiosity, why are you unhappy about it?

Sensitivity decrease. Which at the very least we can agree has some evidence for happening.

I can agree that it is certainly possible, but it's definitely not guaranteed. Perhaps my penis is desensitized and I just don't know, but to be frank I find I have a great deal of sensitivity down there and I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

Mine feels maybe a little more sensitive than my hand

 

[Lexodus]

Oh, this is brilliant. Look at all the doctors in this thread -.-;
And this whole 'sensitivity loss omg' is a non-issue. If you get it done when you're a baby, you won't give a flying shit whether it's more sensitive or not; amazingly enough, you learn to live with it. Just like how people who've only ever lived in Russia for example don't go 'SHIT it's cold, I just froze me nadgers off!' every day; they get used to the cold being there and act appropriately.

Snip

Listen to yourself. You're bitching about how circumcised men can last longer. Why look a gift horse in the mouth? Besides, have you ever jizzed through your hand?

penis is irrelevant

Outrageous! Penis is never irrelevant!

 

[Justank]

Oh, this is brilliant. Look at all the doctors in this thread -.-;
And this whole 'sensitivity loss omg' is a non-issue. If you get it done when you're a baby, you won't give a flying shit whether it's more sensitive or not; amazingly enough, you learn to live with it. Just like how people who've only ever lived in Russia for example don't go 'SHIT it's cold, I just froze me nadgers off!' every day; they get used to the cold being there and act appropriately.

Snip

Listen to yourself. You're bitching about how circumcised men can last longer. Why look a gift horse in the mouth?

Where are you from? I want to know where the term nadgers comes from, I haven't heard that one before.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Outrageous! Penis is never irrelevant!

The Penis is Evil! The Gun is Good!

 

[Aurora Firestorm]

To quote someone from way back in the pages -- the amount of vehemence in this thread is staggering. I feel that some of it is unrelated to whether circumcision is actually "good" or "medically safe" for you, and that particular part of it boils down to this:

Modern young types don't want their parents screwing around with their lives. Allowing for your parents being reasonable and good-intentioned people...cry me a river, rebel teenager types. These are probably the same people who would whine about parents getting their little girls' ears pierced at the age of 3, when the only thing the kid can understand about it is I GET TO WEAR SHINY THINGS ON MY EARS OMG and have no real concept that it's a little bit painful and fairly permanent.

No one respects their family anymore. Jeez. Where I come from, we don't whine at everything our parents do to us. We tend to think that our parents want what's best, and if they make a mistake, we forgive them. Novel thought, eh?



And to whatever person claimed that removing the clitoris and removing the foreskin are the same, you are quite certainly incorrect. One is a piece of skin -- it does not hold the tons of nerve endings in that area. The other has all said nerve endings, and removing it is essentially the same as scraping away those nerve endings in a guy. 100% completely different.