Poll: Battlefield 3 PC - Anyone else not purchasing this due to Origin?

[ph0b0s123]

Wasn't going to buy it anyway. Also, hasn't this thread been done to death. I swear there is at least one of these a week.

It has been done before with people threatening not to buy. Now the games is here, it is interesting to see whether people have followed through on their threat or folded...

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I'd like the source, where it says that Origin does exactly what you said and in the way you described it.

Not sure what you mean by this or what info you are after exactly. Someone did do a check on Origin's activity on their computer once installed here:http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7492824.page
As far as what exactly EA do with the info once they get it, who can be 100% sure. The agreement though leaves it openly vague.

Most of the people crying about Origin spying on them probably have Facebook accounts. So many invalid arguments.

Stupid, facebook cannot go through your computer and look at what you have installed etc. That's is unless you have allowed lots of facebook apps that can do that. Facebook on it's own cannot do that and if I knew for a fact it could my hardly used account would be gone tomorrow.

What you hiding on your computer -_-

Really the dumb 'if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about' argument, give me a break.

Yes. Well, this AND Mass Effect 3. I won't be buying either until EA amends the EULA.

Not sure if serious..... you really don't know that they did amend it??

OT: Of course I bought the game, I wanted it, and I got it. Besides, they changed the EULA, now it intrudes on your privacy just as much as steam.

Yeah, they changed it soooo much.

It's the same thing as Steam, the Terms of Service aren't much different either, Steam just got them in a different place.

With Steam the info being taken from you is OPTIONAL. With Origin it is not. That's the issue.

Read their EULA again, last time I installed Steam it stated that any information could be taking for intra office use regardless of opting into public usage.

Show me the link / quote.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Double post...

 

[ph0b0s123]

People are paranoid schizos here. It searches your files only when its on, and only to personalize your advertisements (and possibly EAs game statistics but do you REALLY give a shit?)
Steam does the exact same thing people.

Erm no, with steam upload of infor about the software and hardware on your computer is OPTIONAL (5th time of saying that in this thread).

Also its fucking beautiful and the graphics are top notch. Try telling me they're generic and bland. Its the best looking shooter since Killzone 3 HD 3D.

Also this "I don't trust EA! I'm boycotting everything they do!" Is silly and naive. OH NOES ONE LOST SALE. Looks like they have to shut down now, lol. Seriously the only people you are trolling are yourselves.

"OH NOES ONE LOST SALE."
Don't be a douche. It's not one lost sale it is however many people feel the same way. And I can guarantee it is more than just one. Last count it was at least 100 people above. Your the one who's trolling.

 

[isnosche]

Wont get it because of origin, dont care ... you can not have acces to all the information om my pc ... F*** off

 

[isnosche]

Btw if mass effect 3 is only on origin / or i hate to install the douche program...
Then thought it will kill me i wont get, trust me its like passing on a bj contest..
BUT I will, they are getting NO 0 - nada from me.
And yes you might say, you are just 1 guy but like someone said above ... we are plenty
who feel this way
Change the policy or i'm not giving you anymore money & in the end thats all
the pêople at E.A. really give a ratsass about anyways

 

[ph0b0s123]

It's the same thing as Steam, the Terms of Service aren't much different either, Steam just got them in a different place.

With Steam the info being taken from you is OPTIONAL. With Origin it is not. That's the issue.

Last time I looked at my profile my computer said no.
They have my name, they have my address, they save the time I played any game, they save Achievements and they save a shitton of other stuff. I know that they ask you before doing a Hardware survey though, as I participated several times.

Origin is likely not doing any different though, and both their EULAs don't differ as much as you think... don't make me have to Copy/Paste it...

Steam has most of that hidden away in their "Privacy Agreement" instead of their Subscriber Agreement like Origin e.g.: http://www.valvesoftware.com/privacy.html

Collection and Use of Information
By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

"Aggregate information" is information that describes the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of users as a group but does not describe or reveal the identity of any particular user.

"Individual information" is information about a user that is presented in a form distinguishable from information relating to other users but not in a form that personally identifies any user or enables the recipient to communicate directly with any user unless agreed to by the user in advance of such communication. This information may be used to improve Valve's products and online sites, for internal marketing studies, or simply to collect demographic information about Valve's users.

etc.

Now be silent!

How was that going to keep me silent when you have just confirmed where Steam and Origin differ. Steam ask's if you want to give them data about your hardware and software, Origin doesn't. So the fact you are aware of the Steam set-up makes you worse for not understanding that they are different.

 

[Normandyfoxtrot]

It's the same thing as Steam, the Terms of Service aren't much different either, Steam just got them in a different place.

With Steam the info being taken from you is OPTIONAL. With Origin it is not. That's the issue.

Last time I looked at my profile my computer said no.
They have my name, they have my address, they save the time I played any game, they save Achievements and they save a shitton of other stuff. I know that they ask you before doing a Hardware survey though, as I participated several times.

Origin is likely not doing any different though, and both their EULAs don't differ as much as you think... don't make me have to Copy/Paste it...

Steam has most of that hidden away in their "Privacy Agreement" instead of their Subscriber Agreement like Origin e.g.: http://www.valvesoftware.com/privacy.html

Collection and Use of Information
By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

"Aggregate information" is information that describes the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of users as a group but does not describe or reveal the identity of any particular user.

"Individual information" is information about a user that is presented in a form distinguishable from information relating to other users but not in a form that personally identifies any user or enables the recipient to communicate directly with any user unless agreed to by the user in advance of such communication. This information may be used to improve Valve's products and online sites, for internal marketing studies, or simply to collect demographic information about Valve's users.

etc.

Now be silent!

How was that going to keep me silent when you have just confirmed where Steam and Origin differ. Steam ask's if you want to give them data about your hardware and software, Origin doesn't. So the fact you are aware of the Steam set-up makes you worse for not understanding that they are different.

You have to agree to privacy policy to use the product at all I don't see how this isn't agreeing to allow them to gather data and then allow them to use that information for in office use.

 

[OctoH]

Yeah, I am not really a fan of Origin. I probably would have waited for the price to go down anyway, but Origin sealed the deal for me not to purchase immediately.

 

[ph0b0s123]

It's the same thing as Steam, the Terms of Service aren't much different either, Steam just got them in a different place.

With Steam the info being taken from you is OPTIONAL. With Origin it is not. That's the issue.

Last time I looked at my profile my computer said no.
They have my name, they have my address, they save the time I played any game, they save Achievements and they save a shitton of other stuff. I know that they ask you before doing a Hardware survey though, as I participated several times.

Origin is likely not doing any different though, and both their EULAs don't differ as much as you think... don't make me have to Copy/Paste it...

Steam has most of that hidden away in their "Privacy Agreement" instead of their Subscriber Agreement like Origin e.g.: http://www.valvesoftware.com/privacy.html

Collection and Use of Information
By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

"Aggregate information" is information that describes the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of users as a group but does not describe or reveal the identity of any particular user.

"Individual information" is information about a user that is presented in a form distinguishable from information relating to other users but not in a form that personally identifies any user or enables the recipient to communicate directly with any user unless agreed to by the user in advance of such communication. This information may be used to improve Valve's products and online sites, for internal marketing studies, or simply to collect demographic information about Valve's users.

etc.

Now be silent!

How was that going to keep me silent when you have just confirmed where Steam and Origin differ. Steam ask's if you want to give them data about your hardware and software, Origin doesn't. So the fact you are aware of the Steam set-up makes you worse for not understanding that they are different.

You have to agree to privacy policy to use the product at all I don't see how this isn't agreeing to allow them to gather data and then allow them to use that information for in office use.

It's really all about the hardware software info for me. Name, address and email etc are a necessary evil to provide to use the service. No problem.

The hardware and software info can only be provided through the surveys, that you can opt out of. If I knew for a fact that Valve was getting this info even if you have opted out of the Surveys, my Steam account would be toast tomorrow.

 

[fix-the-spade]

The level of access Origin has to your computer can be altered relatively easily in a similar manner to Steam (Google it).
Much like Steam altering these particular settings doesn't really change any functionality and EA so far have done nothing to discourage it. Although whether they continue to take the same laid back approach as Valve have for the last seven years remains to be seen.

 

[thenumberthirteen]

I'm not really interested in BF3. Though I expect this will be an issue when Mass Effect 3 is released next year. I don't see too much of a problem with Origin. The only issue I have would be that I have to have another program to store my games on. As it is I have my Steam library, and I can see all my games. If I can add ME3 to my steam library then I'm ok.

 

[Frost27]

Quit moaning and crying about it. Origin isn't going away and EA doesn't give a shit about the 5 people that actually won't buy the game because of it.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

I am not purchasing Battlefield 3 on Origin mostly because EA is a fuckin' useless company that I've had nothing but negative dealings with. The fact it is on Origin was just the icing on the shit cake. I've already made up my mind not to purchase Mass Effect 3 or Dragon Age 3 if they don't get their act together. It pains me to do so because I was greatly looking forward to both games. It sucks trying to make a point.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Most of the people crying about Origin spying on them probably have Facebook accounts. So many invalid arguments.

Stupid, facebook cannot go through your computer and look at what you have installed etc. That's is unless you have allowed lots of facebook apps that can do that. Facebook on it's own cannot do that and if I knew for a fact it could my hardly used account would be gone tomorrow.

Lol, nice try. Facebook sells your info to private data companies, who in turn share that info to 3rd party companies like EA. All in all it's the exact end purpose of data collection that Origin hopes to gain. How the hell do you think Facebook generates revenue without charging anyone?

No Facebook can't access you're computer, but you've put your personal info on a website that makes money selling that info to others. And you're calling me stupid...

 

[ph0b0s123]

Most of the people crying about Origin spying on them probably have Facebook accounts. So many invalid arguments.

Stupid, facebook cannot go through your computer and look at what you have installed etc. That's is unless you have allowed lots of facebook apps that can do that. Facebook on it's own cannot do that and if I knew for a fact it could my hardly used account would be gone tomorrow.

Lol, nice try. Facebook sells your info to private data companies, who in turn share that info to 3rd party companies like EA. All in all it's the exact end purpose of data collection that Origin hopes to gain. How the hell do you think Facebook generates revenue without charging anyone?

No Facebook can't access you're computer, but you've put your personal info on a website that makes money selling that info to others. And you're calling me stupid...

"No Facebook can't access you're computer,"
So as I said your original point of facebook being the same as Origin was wring. That makes the rest of your post is irrelevant, as the access Origin has to your computer is the thing we are talking about here in, regard to privacy concerns.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Quit moaning and crying about it. Origin isn't going away and EA doesn't give a shit about the 5 people that actually won't buy the game because of it.

Who said anything about Origin having the go. And don't be a douche it's more than 5 sales they would lose if the poll in this thread and here (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.315464-Poll-Origin-How-many-of-us-have-folded?page=1), are anything to go by. Would it be enough to scare them, probably not, but don't be so dismissive.

 

[bificommander]

I didn't like another service being jammed through my throat. And they piled a lot of crap on what seemed like a pretty decent game (I liked the previous Battlefield games). So when I noticed the release date was almost the same as Sword of the Stars 2, I figured I'd just skip this game. Maybe I'll buy it once the price goes down and the cries of frustration from the early adopters have gotten EA to actually fix the bugs in their Orwellian system before making it mandatory. So yeah, they lost at the very least an early sale from me.

 

[Wicky_42]

Edit: Will clarify one thing quickly that lots seem not to understand. Steam collects a lot of the same data from you that Origin does, in hardware and software surveys. The difference is that with Steam it is OPTIONAL. If it was optional with Origin (rather than just don't use it), I would no longer have any more issue with Origin, than I do for any other on-line distribution system.

I've read around that Origin can be sandboxed by various firewalls - that's my plan when my copy turns up If it weren't possible to restrict I don't know what I'd do

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

I've got Red Orchestra 2, I feel no need to buy Battlefield 3.

Granted, Origin sure didn't encourage me to get it. I've already got Steam running, why would I need/want to run a second similar program with less features and a smaller catalogue?

 

[Ickorus]

I don't like the sounds of Origin and as such I won't be getting it, if my suspicions are proven unfounded after a couple of months I may pick it up though.

To be honest though, I haven't played many FPS games in quite a while and a lot of the Free to Play ones coming out soon are looking really good so I may just give the game a miss anyway.