Poll: Best Book series of all time

RevRaptor

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ToS was ok, but really nothing different from the mould.

For my personal pick of best series I would have to go with the Diskworld series 40 something books and all of them a blast to read, I dare you to name one other author that has pulled that off. Plus Terry Pratchett has always been able to bury very serious issues among the brilliant comedy of his books. To pick an example how about the book Thud. On the surface its a funny read abut a bunch of trolls and dwarfs kicking the tar out of each other but underneath its about racism and genocide easily mirroring the situation in Africa where tribes are wiping each other out just because they are different. The trolls them selves also represent the apartheid. They were treated as slaves kept separate not worthy of the same rights as everyone else and yet this is a funny book a very funny book. It takes a writer of real skill to do that.

Still this is just my opinion, yours will undoubtedly differ and that's a good thing. It is good to live in a world where we can disagree. not everyone has that privilege.
 

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It was all right, I've read the first three books. To be honest with you it was average, the plot didn't have much depth, the romance felt cheesy and forced (seriously it felt like there was an awkward hug on at least every page followed by the "We can't be together" line), lots of Deus Ex Machina and was very cliché - though I will say the character development was good.

There's nothing wrong with it being your favorite series you have ever read, but it should be pretty obvious to see its faults objectively. Even if you dislike fantasy stories like 'The Song of Ice and Fire" or 'WoT' it is pretty obvious that they are better written and that's just within fantasy.
 

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Traun said:
spartan231490 said:
Other people may have done it first, better is a matter of opinion.
If you had finished book 2, you would have seen it's not as similar to the first as you think. At all.
But was I obliged to? As Yahtzee pointed out "Saying it was good twenty hours in isn't a point in his favor", as much as I dislike quoting him. That is my opinion as a reader though, nothing against people who liked the series, just not the best thing I've read.

Just to spoil myself - what happened with the baby boy thing? Wiki doesn't acknowledge this plot point at all.
Didn't mean to suggest that you were obliged to do so, nor did I mean to suggest that you aren't entitled to your opinion. And I found it good from the beginning, I wasn't suggesting that it "got good 20 hours in" I was just pointing out that you were incorrect. a possibility which you acknowledged by saying you had only gotten halfway through book two.
 

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I don't read, but I've been meaning to start either with Lord of the Rings, 1st the Hobbit actually. Than the Trilogy.
Or, The Dark Tower Series.
 

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spartan231490 said:
, I wasn't suggesting that it "got good 20 hours in" I was just pointing out that you were incorrect. a possibility which you acknowledged by saying you had only gotten halfway through book two.
While this point may be true and my lack of knowledge streams from the fact I haven't finished the book, what I was complaining about was that, although the circumstances were a little different, at the point I stopped reading the book was in the same situation as Book One, ergo why I didn't continue reading further. Saying that it changes later on suggest that I must continue reading until it reaches the different state. This is what I meant by the quote.

Anyway, to answer the question about the books. The book I've enjoyed the most, and read more times that I can remember (somewhere in the double digits) is "The Silmarilion".
 

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blalien said:
I'm very surprised nobody mentioned The Dark Tower before now.
How the that series ended left such a black mark against it for me (and a strong urge to drive to Maine and punch King in the face). I can't look back on it favorably no matter how hard I try.

OT: For most of Wizards First Rule I thought it was fairly decent standard fantasy. Then he got captured and the graphic S&M started. I finally got through it and started the second one where the three sisters are trying to collar him. Then I put the series down.

As for my favorite series, I'm gonna have to agree with everyone saying Discworld. Those books contain too much awesomeness.
 

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Zannah said:
cgaWolf said:
PS: When you read Eragon, you need to make a drinking game out of it. Everytime you recognize a copypasta from another author (Tolkien, McCaffrey, Eddings, etc..) you need to have a shot :p
Don't try that at home Kids, you'd be in hospital before the end of the third chapter.

From existing series, I'd say it's a close tie between "Song of Ice and Fire" and the Blades-trilogy by Joe Abercrombie (look it up). But then, the best fantasy book(series) I've read so far, has yet so be published :|
This young lady has it right, Martin and Abercrombie are two of the best fantasy writers of our time with Martin coming close to, or in my opinion surpassing, Tolkien as the best fantasy writer ever.

I felt that Wizards First Rule started out good, but towards the end of the first book I just felt that the characters were far too one dimensional and boring.

BTW its not called the Blades trilogy it's The First Law Trilogy. Abercrombie also has another book called Best Served Cold that takes place in the same universe as The First Law trilogy.
 

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BTW its not called the Blades trilogy it's The First Law Trilogy. Abercrombie also has another book called Best Served Cold that takes place in the same universe as The First Law trilogy.
My bad, I only read the german version, where they're called 'blades'.
 

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War and Peace (that is if you count the "five" books as a series)
Winds of War, War and Rememberance. Best book series I've ever read, by Herman Wouk
Brotherhood of War by W.E.B. Griffin, very good, very fun.
Presidential Agent Series by W.E.B. Griffin, fun books about a badass guy.
 

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Rylot said:
blalien said:
I'm very surprised nobody mentioned The Dark Tower before now.
How the that series ended left such a black mark against it for me (and a strong urge to drive to Maine and punch King in the face). I can't look back on it favorably no matter how hard I try.
Without going into too much detail and spoiling things, it's common knowledge that Stephen King hates writing endings. I interpreted the ending of the Dark Tower as King punishing his readers who cared more about the destination than the journey. Whether or not it was justified, it showed that King treats his books as a relationship between him and his readers, not just a meal ticket. If you read between the lines, it's really quite beautiful.
 

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I've read the entire SoT series, and I thought it was meh. The first few were pretty good, but it steadily declined. The obnoxious philosophy has been said plenty of times so I won't mention that. My issues were the main character, the writing style, and Goodkind himself.

One thing that annoyed me to no end was how absolutely PERFECT Richard was. It doesn't matter what he attempted, whether it was combat, philosophizing, studying ancient texts, forgotten magics that even the most powerful wizards couldn't figure out, a sport he'd never played before, etc. Richard was always be the best at everything ever. Strong, handsome, incredibly intelligent, individualistic, determined, kindhearted, manly, loyal, brave, skilled at EVERYTHING, he was perfect. His only possible downside was that he loved Kahlan too much, oh dear, poor him.

Goodkind's writing was ridiculously boring. There were some great parts, but most of it was absurdly overwritten. Pages and pages would be dedicated to repeating ad nauseum some point that Goodkind apparently didn't think I understood the first twenty times he said it. This includes the constant repetition about how amazing Richard is at everything. There was rarely any style or subtly to his writing, just long drawn out monotonous droning.

And then there's Goodkind. He clearly saw himself in Richard, Mr. Perfect, and his dream woman in Kahlan, and himself in his dream woman as much as possible. Every single time Richard was almost seduced we're told he was under a spell or that it wasn't a big deal because he's just so cool and we're reminded of how faithfully he loves his wife. Then when Kahlan reluctantly tries to help Richard by going through with Goodkind's silent-group-sex-in-a-temple fantasy, she's suddenly a little slut. And that scene even reinforces Richard's omnipotence because he totally understood what was going on. Even though Kahlan is a little flawed, most of her flaws are only to show how amazing Goodki- I mean Richard is.

Every page plays out like it's a series of Goodkind's personal fantasies, with himself as a flawless man in a world filled with hot women who desperately want to fuck him, convenient morals, and obstacles placed specifically to be defeated by his consistent perfection. Richard Goodkind Rahl is constantly being flung into situations that seem like they were dreamed up by a twelve year old fantasizing about how cool it would be as a fantasy hero. Except Goodkind thinks he's some sort of literary god. He specifically says that he "doesn't write fantasy" because his books are "in a genre all their own" and "If you notice a similarity [to Wheel of Time], then you probably aren't old enough to read my books." The guy has such a ridiculously inflated sense of self importance. And it doesn't help that in every book is that picture of him in black scowling at me. Sure Goodkind, you don't write fantasy, you're totally not a nerd with that ponytail/beard combo, you're totally tough like Richard is.

Again, I didn't go into detail on the awful preachy philosophy because it's been given enough coverage already. I did read the entire series, and for the most part enjoyed it, but obviously, some things reeeaaally bothered me. So I'd vote no, not the greatest series of all time.
 

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It isn't the worst thing I've ever read, but it was pretty awful. So derivative of Tolkien it makes my eyes bleed.

Meh, If I was more awake I'd seriously get involved. It's really bad though. And fans should consider other novels. George RR Martin? Tolkien? Usula Le Guin?
 

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blalien said:
Rylot said:
blalien said:
I'm very surprised nobody mentioned The Dark Tower before now.
How the that series ended left such a black mark against it for me (and a strong urge to drive to Maine and punch King in the face). I can't look back on it favorably no matter how hard I try.
Without going into too much detail and spoiling things, it's common knowledge that Stephen King hates writing endings. I interpreted the ending of the Dark Tower as King punishing his readers who cared more about the destination than the journey. Whether or not it was justified, it showed that King treats his books as a relationship between him and his readers, not just a meal ticket. If you read between the lines, it's really quite beautiful.
The edition of the seventh book that I read did have that explanation as an epilogue and I say bull shit. The journey a story takes is extremely important but the end still matters.
(I'm spoilering the rest of this just to be safe) There are many things about the end of the series that drove me nuts but as per the whole journey v. ending: the biggest problem I have with that is that the story is still going and the reader isn't privy to the next stage of the journey. How does Eddy, Susannah, and Jake's relationships work this time around? How does Roland's journey change? Does Roland journey continue after the Tower? We'll never know because the author decided to pull the curtain before the next act could start, and all because he wanted to brake the fourth wall on his high horse and say "fuck you" to any of his fans who's horrendous crime is wanting closure after seven books. I enjoyed the journey so much I want to know what happens next
...After finishing the series like two years ago I can't believe how annoyed I still am
 

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@Spartan:

So to clarify, you find the moral philosophy of the books to be flawed to the point that it made Richard less of a hero, more of quasi villain?
Nearly - i might have been unclear in my prior post. While the flawed moral philosophy is partly responsible, that would just be a mislead character issue, and could actually have been interesting. What hurt the latter books was rather the unsubtle and heavy handed way in which that moral philosophy was preached, regardless of whether i actually agree with it or not (in fact, past some things i see as moral imperative in a social context, i actually do agree with Objectivism).

I have no issue with following a flawed charcter's story, or even villains story - in fact some of the best stories i read use that very element. The problem is that Goodking sacrifices his characters and story, in favor of preaching objectivism - i hate to see good stories ruined by ulterior motives (or bad storytelling), which is why reading the latter books was such a disappointment.

If you do like Objectivism as a moral/philosophy, do read Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged - it's excellent, and pretty much the modern keystone to works that derived from it (such as SoT ideals, or even Bioshock).

I don't personally have a problem with that, to me it makes the books more realistic. After all, no one fully understands the world, there are things that are going to happen that the main character wasn't aware of, that the reader wasn't aware of.
The term "Deus Ex Machina" derives from ancient greek drama - essentially the characters where tossed into problems so massive and unbearable, or driven into irredeemable despair, that there was no way out for them as normal human beings. At the end, a god/angel (actor with wings held up on ropes) would swoop down from the heavens, and solve the whole issue - hence the term Deus Ex Machina - "the god coming out of a machine".

While it's a fairly popular method in ancient storytelling, in newer literature it's just bad storytelling. There's a shift away from heroism towards protagonism, and that's accompanied by constructing realistic problems and finding realistic solutions - or in the absence of one, letting the hero fail.
Introducing a hithertho unknown element to resolve a story is a bad move when the story is being told from an omniscient viewpoint, because that viewpoint isn't supposed to hide what's going on. If the story is being told from one characters point of view, you might get away with it once, but if it's a repeat offense, then you're essentially following a person with no clue what's going on, which isn't very engaging. Finding out what's happening, bing able to think on a meta-level to the story is key; an unknown element brought in to resolve a story ruins that.
It gets worse however: many authors use deus ex because it's convenient - the reality is that it's lazy, because when you've constructed your story, you can easily backtrack and foreshadow what will happen, or tell a sidestory that later merges with the main arc. In that case, your Deus Ex suddenly becomes an integral part of the story - SoT for example did that well with Wizards First Rule: The trick/twist at the end didn't come out of nowhere, it was telegraphed all throughout the book, and it still works well as a twist. It's a bit like 6th sense in that way.

tl,dr: Yes, a deus ex might be realistic, depending on point of view & knowledge of the person telling the sotry. More often than not, it's an archaic/lazy storytelling technique that gets abused by authors who should know better - especially if they've shown that they do know better in previous works.



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Isn't that Anita Blake style ubersex?
It leans the same way as far as sexual content is concerned; however the story going on is imo stronger than those in Vampire Hunter

@Wudustan
Sergei Lukyanyenko's Watch series. I read them in russian, so can't attest to the English translation being any good.
They're very well translated - what might be putting some people off is the format in which the stories come along, ie. them being a collection of short stories, very modern in that way, with little fluff or padding; a bit like Zelazny earlier works.

This thread is dumb, but I'm gonna go ahead and nick of of the recomendations....
I might disagree with the OP - a lot even - but the thread itself has proven excellent so far :p Lots of good pointers towards series i didn't mention (Abercrombie, king, leguin, etc..) and some nice mature discussion. As far as forum threads go, this is a pretty good one ^^
 

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blalien said:
I'm very surprised nobody mentioned The Dark Tower before now.
As was I....

I've finished The Drawing of the Three, and am now up to The Waste Lands. Such a good writer, such good characters, and I'm not even a third of the way through what I'm sure many people would agree is (one of) the best book series of all time.
 

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Just Remember next time you hear the Phrase " We're just Freinds" just tell em "and you have never heard of Freinds with Benefits?"
 

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Sword of truth was pretty good, but Soul of the Fire was a god damn waste of time. IMO After that everything really went downhill hard. "LOL Here's a book that is 750 pages of new characters never mentioned or hinted at before with no relation to the main characters at all!" Why was this book even in the main series? It was practically a side plot.

Also I found Goodkind's writing to have kind of out of whack pacing. He would spend 95% of the book slowly meandering up to the climax, then the actual interesting part of the story was written at an "Oh shit I need to get this to the publisher in 2 weeks!" level of speed. It just whirlwinds through the cool parts at the climax, at least generally.

I thought the first two books were very strong, even great. Especially the first, I probably would have preferred if he just kept it at that one book.
 

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Never heard of it, but for what it's worth, my favorite book series is The Lord of the Rings