(1) So much ground to cover just in this one sentence. Pretentious how? Dull, how? "Dull" doesn't exactly qualify a statement. "Derivative" or "well-tread" would speak to how something was dull to you. And again I ask, pretentious how? Unrealistic, what, for a superhero movie? And how does it claim to be realistic? At what point do the characters break the fourth wall and ask the audience, "You get that this is supposed to be realistic, right?" Overrated isn't quite as preposterous, but it is usually a claim made by someone who can present an alternative that they prefer and why. Even if that's not always the case, stating that something is overrated is acknowledging that it is merely overrated in your own view - you didn't like it as much as so many others. That isn't evidence that a movie "sucked." I'd also suggest that you look up "pretentious." It doesn't mean that you didn't enjoy the movie. It means that the movie was trying desperately to appear a certain way to the audience instead of simply being a certain way. But I'll bite: in what way was The Dark Knight pretentious, pretentious, pretentious and also pretentious?RT said:Reasons? Okay, here you go:funguy2121 said:I schmell a schmoll. These are always people who don't qualify as why, which is further evidence that they're only posting to irk people. If someone were to present some interesting reasons why they didn't like The Dark Knight, or Inception, I'd love to hear it, as especially with the former it seems that 90% of moviegoers loved it and 99% of comics fans loved it, so it would be a unique viewpoint.RT said:George Lucas, lol.
But if we're being serious, I'd say Francis Ford Coppola.
In the parallel world where The Dark Knight didn't suck.Where the hell is Nolan?
Which, unfortunately, "(whatever you love) sucks!" is not.
(1)Pretentious, dull, long, pretentious, unrealistic (but claims to be), overrated, pretentious, and yeah, did I mention pretentious?
Batman himself is awful. (2)He is impotent in his own movie, growls all the time, his fights are dull and his batsuit looks like it was made for him before he got some extra pounds. (3)And he's a goddamn hypocrite. When he didn't kill Joker it was purely to show "You see? Our hero. He doesn't kill the scorned ones". And couple of minutes later he kills Two-Face. Nice. Oh, and before Harvey became Two-Face, (4)Bats had an enormous boner whenever he seen him for no apparent reason.
(5)Joker is simply not a Joker. He is a f[flowers!]cking creepy lunatic, but he doesn't do anything Joker-ish in entire movie. Except maybe for the pencil trick. Where are jokes? I'm not talking about permawhite, or clownish killing devices, okay, but where are the jokes? Why is he wearing clown make up at all? (6)He isn't a killer clown, he's a killer that dresses like a clown. There is a difference.
(7)That chick Maggy Gylenhaal was playing was horrible and looked horrible.
Two-Face. Oh my god Two-Face. First, we're told that he had a nickname Harvey Two-Face. This was to establish his darker side. Okay. Then later he is shown interrogating the guy. Okay, kinda works. Then it's shown that the coin's sides are all the same. So he wouldn't have hurt the guy he was interrogating. So it wasn't actually so dark. Oops. Then his girlfriend dies, and this explosion instead of turning him into a psycho turns him into a f[rainbows!]cking idiot. Joker talks to him for five minutes and Harvey agrees that he should kill his friends and co-workers. What the hell. (8)Oh, yeah, and where is the split personality thingamajig? And why his voice doesn't change when one side of his face is practically nothing but scull? (9)And why the eye on this side is unharmed?
(10)Lucius Fox is dime-a-dozen magical black man. At least Morgan Freeman (being THE magical black man of american cinema) does his job well.
Alfred is useless.
Jim Gordon became a pleasant surprise in this company of losers. For the first time in six (not counting Adam West and BW movies) movies he actually does shit! That's progress.
(11)Dialogs. They are just horrible. The amount of pretentiousness makes guys in picture galleries sound like drunk teenagers. Apparently, mr. Nolan thinks he is a patron of the arts. He can think of himself whatever he wants, but this pretentious shit doesn't work in the movie, in which a man who dresses up like a bat fights a clown.
Overall atmosphere doesn't work either. There is a line after which the movie about a man who dresses up like a bat and fights a clown shouldn't take itself seriously. The Dark Knight doesn't even come close to this line, it starts with seriousness taken over 9000.
(12)Well, does that make clear why I think TDK sucks?
(2) Doesn't he save the day, and kick a whole lot of ass? I can only surmise that you mean that he had to take the blame to save the city and didn't just spend the whole 2 hours going on a rampaging ass-kick-a-thon, therefore clearly he is impotent. Let me know when YOU wage a one-man war on the entire mob dressed up in an animal costume using ninja tactics and sci-fi weapons if you ever struggle in a fight. I guess that's also why A BATMAN MOVIE was unrealistic. Oh well. Somebody call Joel Schumacher, we need a retcon. The growling bothers some friends of mine, and overall I have to say I enjoyed how he did it in the first one better. Still not a reason why a movie objectively sucked. Christopher Nolan is a very traditional director when it comes to effects and fight choreography. To some, this means that his films look "dated" because they don't ape the Wachowskis like just about every friggin' director from the past decade. Not to me. I like in-your-face action, shaky cam, and slow-mo as much as the next guy - just not as often, and only in the hands of talented directors. I also like to see a movie wherein the human beings move like human beings. I will admit, there were some action sequences in Inception that were underwhelming. But I'd rather watch them than someone other than Paul Greengrass doing epilepsy cam any day. The action in Braveheart, Aliens, and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade still hold up. They aren't dull simply because they aren't filmed in glorious Robert Rodriguez vision. And the fact that you credit (what you consider to be) bad fight choreography to the character or the actor says that you're not quite a critic yet, young padawan. Keep telling Christian Bale he's fat, though.
(3) At this point I'm just convinced you're on acid (MODS: I AM IN NO WAY CONDONING DRUG USAGE).
(4) Make that cocaine (MODS: I WOULD NOW LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME TO PERSONALLY CONDEMN COCAINE USAGE).
(5) Yup. Cocaine.
(6) So, because the Joker is not a killer clown, but rather a killer dressed as a clown, it's unrealistic? Have you consulted John Wayne Gacy on this?
(7) Interestingly, and I really thought I'd be alone here, most of my friends who care more about quality of acting and less about using their legitimate films as pornography also find the choice of the admittedly less good-looking Maggie Gyllenhall over the cute-as-Hell-but-not-terribly-talented Katie Holmes to be a good one. But you disagree, again because she's "horrible." I'm sorry, "was playing was horrible and looked horrible." I'll bet you hate Kathy Bates as well. Because, of course, women are only here for us to pretend we're fucking.
(8) I don't know, maybe they didn't give Harvey DID because they wanted the movie to me more, y'know, realistic. DID is usually not spontaneous.
(9) T-shirt!
(10) I would love to pretend this is a reference to Michael Clarke Duncan in The Green Mile. How unfortunate that I know better. I'm fairly certain, given that Christopher Nolan has never shown any racism or race-pretentious tendencies in his films, that the race of Lucious Fox is inconsequential.
(11) I don't know what you're talking about at all, but you do have a point: what realism are you seeking in a movie wherein a guy dressed up like a bat fights a clown? I will tell you, though, that most of the weapons, physics and science in the game are all based on real-world things/phenomena, and that The Dark Knight is so highly regarded not just for how good a Batman film it is, but for how good a movie it is on its own merits, how it transcends being a simple popcorn film, and how it makes a comic franchise seem like realistic fiction.
(12) No, it really doesn't, so again we have to infer. I'm guessing you just didn't like it because it's not what you're used to, and you don't see movies to see something you haven't experienced before (and apparently because it was longer than 90 minutes, which in your book is a no-no). There really wasn't any objectivity in your description at all. That's OK - you just need to admit it. And clear up some of the muddy stuff in there. "It sucks because it sucks" isn't an adult description.