Poll: Best War Leader
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Why?
Because he's made out of pure awesome.
Seriously, this man is impressive both as a soldier and as a leader (and I have only started to read his book "Infanterie greift an")
I saw the thread-title and he was the military leader that came immediately to my mind.
Mmmm, unfair, I guess, since right now I'm thinking 'he was helped by his opponents being complete idiots' (strategically, that is), but that applies to a great many successful commanders. However, his conquests were a still a case of battles win wars, a complete opposite of say... Hannibal (he lost once and drew a couple times and won shitloads, but still ultimately lost). So it's all a matter of conjecture. The thing was about him, was that he alienated the Macedonians by adopting Persian customs, but I will concede that he did well to compromise both ends of his empire. But then... Diadochi completely fucked it up.Klitch said:
War leader? Hardly. He single-handedly cost Germany the Second World War numerous times. A charismatic leader, but a poor strategist afflicted by severe delusions.MrFluffy-X said:
Great reply, sckizoboy, I can see you are quite knowlegeable of the things of war and history, but you have to admit, in a campaign as ambitious as Napoleon's, it's already remarkable that he made so few mistakes. Russia is untakable, but he couldn't have known that, as opposed to the nazis, who should have learn from history of the ruskies badassness. Also, he was kinda evil (his motives were wrong, to begin with, he caused the death of a lot of civilians to continue, and so on.), and Wellesley can be considered as his nemesis. History doesn't like villains, so it was predictable, looking back, that he would be defeated (people tend to gang up against the evil dudes). Especially in his weakened state when he came back from his exile. It's hard to conquer the world.SckizoBoy said:
No sweat, mate. Thanks and thanks!BlueberryMUNCH said:
Zama - (had the larger army)fnlrpa said:
Second Battle of Tarentum - (got betrayed, what can you do?)
Second Battle of Capua - (granted, outnumbered 2 to 1)
These come to mind...
PS... I need to go now, so you won't need to tolerate me being a complete arse any longer. Later!
The best strategist? Whoever planned the Nazi conquest of most of Europe. I would say Hitler, but he was more a politician who had very little idea what the best thing to do (General Winter ring any bells?) That or Napoleon (who also failed at understanding General Winter)
Best War Leader? Possibly Churchill. He may not have been the best at strategy, but he truely led his people through the single, most devastating war ever the face mankind. Through the Blitz and the Battle of Britain, after Dunkirk and the rationing, he kept a country defiant in the face of a seemingly unstoppable force. Morale is often underestimated for the general population of a country.
Best War Leader? Possibly Churchill. He may not have been the best at strategy, but he truely led his people through the single, most devastating war ever the face mankind. Through the Blitz and the Battle of Britain, after Dunkirk and the rationing, he kept a country defiant in the face of a seemingly unstoppable force. Morale is often underestimated for the general population of a country.
I personally am quite fond of Moshe Dayan. He showed an excellent ability in the use of combined arms in the six day war, understood the necessity of allowing commanders to improvise on a tactical and operational level, and showed a flair for wars of maneuver. He also had an eyepatch.
yeah nearing the end he was a fucking moron, but you think a poor strategist could have pulled off such a feat? And hitler wasnt simply a frount man. The German strategies of World War II were almost designed by Hilter himself.Valkyrie101 said:
Erwin Rommel's a pretty obvious answer. So is Napoleon.
So I'll go with Carl Mannerheim or something.
So I'll go with Carl Mannerheim or something.
