Poll: Blood packs or CGI

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Rigs83

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I just watched "Ninja Assassin" today because it was a holiday so I did not want to be around my family and while I enjoyed the film and the Mojito I had before sitting down it got me thinking. Throughout the film cgi was used extensively in place of the old fashion blood packs of yore. I grew up on the Conan films and other Arnold "The Governator" films so I was more use to seeing blood backs or handicapped actors, who did have real prosthetics limbs, get their limbs torn off in films like "Starship Troopers" so while watching "Ninja Assassin" I was kind of thrown out of the immersion a bit when I saw clearly computer animated blood shoot out of the actors.

I don't know what it looks like to bisect someone or cut off a limb but I doubt it would look so clean. With blood packs you get some chaos because even though you have a good idea about where the splatter will go it can go almost anywhere and splatter an actor, wall, or camera. With cgi it is precise and looks like a dam break of crimson coming out of the actors. I suspect the reason the director choose to use cgi was because certain scenes would be difficult if not impossible to shoot using a blood pack due to the constraints that technology has and for safety reasons.

Blood packs work by having a small amount of explosives hidden under an actors clothes and then detonated to explode a bag , often an actual condom is used, filled with a red gel or some other fluid. that requires a skilled pyro-technician and usually hidden wires leading to a detonator to explode the pack on queue. That would prove difficult if someone was running, jumping or generally moving rapidly and even if remote detonators are used you risk the receiver being scene or malfunctioning. CGI eliminates that but sacrifices some of the shock value, in my opinion, of seeing blood splatter all over the place.

Edit:
The correct industry jargon for blood packs is squibs. I also added neither or either as a choice
 

Puzzles

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Only CGI in high budget productions, because there is nothing worse than poorly done CGI.

Otherwise, give me bloodpacks and blood that behaves like blood, not a computer simulation.
 

scotth266

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Kudos for making a very interesting thread!

I'd go with blood packs. CGI can be very good, but too often it gets mishandled and the movie winds up being a lot worse for it.
 

Noamuth

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I think the hilarious remake of 'Dawn of the Dead' used blood packs, and they looked fantastic.

But then again, blood CGI has come a long way..

I'm happy with either, as long as they are done well. But blood packs seem like more fun.

EDIT: 'Damn of the Dead'? Whoops.
 

TxMxRonin

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The movie Running Scared used CGI blood through out most of it except in one scene where squibs were involved. And the blood effects from the squib honestly looked better to me than the CGI. The movie still sucks, but that one scene was alright.
 

Dys

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I've seen blood packs done properly far more often, so I'll vote that.
 

Good morning blues

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Let's be serious: well-done photographic special effects always look better than CG. This goes for when you're driving a car into a helicopter (notice how great all the photographed scenes in that movie looked compared to the CG ones?) or when you're just shooting a guy in the leg. Besides, squibs are so much easier than CG blood when there isn't any other CG in the frame that it just seems gratuitous to use CG instead of squibs.
 

Julianking93

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Just got back from Ninja Assassin too and my biggest problem was that the CGI looked too fake and the blood looked too animated. I like the old fashion blood packs like from the real martial arts movies from the 70s like Street Fighter or Cripple Masters
 

Summerstorm

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Blood Packs of course. BUT: CG effect CAN be used to fill in some gaps... if you are sensible and careful. I am all for using dummies, puppets, masks, real pyrotechnics and everything, but some CG effect can be used in situations where "real" effect can't be used, or to enhance them.
 

Ultra_Caboose

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I'd have to say the effects depend on the context of the movie. If you're making a more over-the-top kind of flick, I'd say CGI blood would work, especially if it's not meant to be realistic. A more serious... or at least serious in realitic special effects would benefit more from blood packs. That and I'm sure blood packs are much, much cheaper to produce than CGI blood. A fifteen dollar blood back with squib compared to what could be hundreds per frame of animation for a spurt of blood.