Caligulas.dog said:
Does anyone who's not an American actually give a damn about this topic? I am from Germany, have been to most countries in Europe, and I never ever found someone who was actually offended. But then again, on most of our beaches its allowed to take down your bra to sunbathe. Americans are strange.
i guess i am taking the European view on this "issue."
in public, i do look away from bare-breasts in general, simply for the courtesy; in this land, the "proud patriotic," "morally upstanding," "deeply faithful," and "tremendously thick" are still organized and (somehow) esteemed enough to have a voice in our government. so nudity is frowned upon, and if something like a gust of wind blows up a woman's skirt, it is also frowned upon to leer at them like they're a cheeseburger and you're a fatso (...yet if attractive young guys take off their shirts in public, i fully expect housewives and spinsters to blush, and start gossiping to close-by friends breathlessly, the stereotype goes). the whole attitude is generally of AVOIDANCE. "problems may arise with naked people around. so lets just nip them problems in the bud, mkay?"
if i remember correctly, in this country, the "7 deadly words you cannot say on television" were originally started because of an alabama PREACHER who wrote to his radio station to COMPLAIN because he did not like CERTAIN WORDS in the radio broadcast.
do take note, freedom of religion and freedom of speech were protected in the same amendment. maybe the infant government of this country perceived that attacks on speech would be made by religions, and decided to put them both in the same amendment so to attack one would shoot yourself in the foot.
did he own that radio station?
this is the whole point i am getting at. this preacher could have changed the station; took matters of what he was going to listen to on his radio into his own hands. but maybe im wrong! maybe every station was full of loud, profane, raunchy homosexual relations and jazz, and this guy had a long day of dealing with his parish' comparatively pale problems while he's wresting with things like "is it homophobia or latent homosexuality?" maybe it was raining out, and his candles got wet, so he could neither go for a walk nor read in silence. maybe his only choice for any kind of entertainment that evening besides silent meditation was the radio. and maybe that area had only one station, i bet radio was expensive back than.
but couldn't he just turn it off and go to bed early?
in any case im getting away from the issue and what i wanted to ask. i generally feel like most of american attitudes to sexuality and nudity are rather restrictive and sheltered. and yet, going to the beach i am still uncomfortable being naked around other people. for some reason its like theres less of their bodily fluids getting into the water as well when theyre clothed. and that nothing else in the ocean defecates and urinates and ejaculates in the water. theres lots of nonsensical beliefs like this in our stupid culture. so why couldnt i strip nude and hang out in water with a bunch of other nude primates?
that i dont know. wish i did. BUT, german fellow! question!
in your country, is it impolite to take a girl to the beach for a date? say you've only dated about a week, and you'd want to see her nude. or do you guys have that attitude to nudity? for that matter, whats your side of the world's attitude to pornography? would the girl just tell you to fuck off if you suggested a beach-date that early in the relationship? would she feel socially obligated to go since its only swimming, and not fucking?
i actually want to know the answers to this, if you feel you can provide them?
