I said MGS is dead but that doesn't mean Rising will be bad. It seems like Platinum Games released an action, sword-fighting game under the guise of Metal Gear. I'll likely get it and enjoy it irrespective of its title. So far, though, in my mind, MGS ended with Guns of the PatriotsPeace Walker.
I don't want to be dogmatic, though. Maybe Rising will prove otherwise once its out. I can't help but feel a bit sad, though. This is the series I literally grew up playing. To see what that trailer did to it... I don't know what to think anymore.
Didn't Snake (Otacon, really) pretty much extinguish technological warfare in Guns of the Patriots? Now they've got this new cybernetic thing going on which undoubtedly rivals the Patriots' technological capabilities kind of undoing everything that Snake, Raiden, and the rest of the gang fought so hard to get rid of. By this, I mean, now that every soldier is, literally, a robot, how hard would it be to instate combat control the same way that the Patriots did?
Raiden fucking got his cybernetics removed so he could start a family with Rose and Little John. Why the hell would he go back to the bad-ass ninja lifestyle that he took up when he left Rose? Can't get enough of the rush of war can he? I suppose that makes for an interesting psychological story but I honestly don't know if the devs thought that hard about it.
Keep in mind that this is a spin-off meaning that it most likely won't be considered canon. I'll admit that when I heard of the game's new placement in the timeline I was completely baffled because it completely negates any development Raiden had in MGS4 not to mention that MGS does not need any continuation past MSG4, unless its set several decades in the future. However, since its going to be a spin-off, it does not bother me, and I can look at it as a what if scenario rather than the official continuation.
One spin-off game in the series that tries something new does not ruin the entire franchise, you should be glad that they are experimenting with something new. That sword-fighting looks smooth and intuitive in comparison to how clunky sword combat was in MGS2 and MGS4, so melee combat has certainly seen the kind of improvement the MGS games always needed. You should enjoy it not just because it will be a good game but because it also has the potential to be a good Metal Gear game at the same time it experiments with what we have seen. MGS4 and Peace Walker did nothing more than conclude Snake and Big Boss's stories, they are important to the story but we could still move on from there.
I think the problem some people have is that those two characters are a major driving force in the story those games take place in. Some feel that any game without them will fell like a cheap cash in. While Solid Snake's story is finished, IMO Big Boss could still use one more game to chronicle the events leading up the Outer Heaven uprising and his eventual transformation into the antagonist that Solid Snake would fight in MG1 and MG2. Also MG1 and MG2 are begging for a remake and it would help the stories of those two games mesh better with the rest of the Metal Gear games. Personally I'm hoping MGS5 will be the game to conclude Big Boss' story.
That_Sneaky_Camper said:
I grew up playing Metal Gear too, but I don't feel like that trailer has ruined Metal Gear at all. From a gameplay perspective there is no reason a powerful player character can't also utilize stealth, as Batman Arkham Asylum and City both proved with their predator stealth (hiding from enemies and getting the drop on them from the shadows), just because the trailer didn't show Raiden using stealth doesn't mean he can't. Also Metal Gear games have always been well-known for their story, we honestly don't know enough about it to determine if it isn't of the same quality as the other games. Just wait until the game comes out and then you can properly judge it.
The problem is that the gameplay you descried was the original concept that the original team was working on before they got replaced by Platinum. While the concept may not have been completely abandoned, based on the trailer it looks less and less like stealth will play a key role in gameplay. However, despite this I'm still excited and I am looking forward to playing this whether its a hack slash or a stealth game.
They're just taking the Metalgear Solid universe and making a new type of game in it. It's not like they've made Snake a walking cyborg blender or anything.
Siriously, two different styles of game in the same universe. What's the problem with that?
Well considering that it's now been revealed that Kojima Productions had canceled Rising until Platinum came along and saved it, I think we should all be pretty damn grateful.
I don't really mind what it's doing with the Metal Gear name (it's just a spin-off), my problem with it is that it looks like DMC with Raiden pasted in.
I'm no MGS fan but I don't see why people are being all negative about Metal Gear Rising. It's obviously not supposed to be the same as before, especially since they've now dropped the "Solid" subtitle from it. It's a whole new series (or whatever it will be) under the Metal Gear umbrella. And Kojima has said that there will be traditional stealth style MGS games coming in the future, so they're not gone. This is just a game expanding the universe, trying a different game style. And I have to say so far it looks pretty awesome.
Pretty much like how everyone has already said, Rising is a spin-off. It is not related to the MGS series in terms of gameplay especially since the tagline is "Lightning Bolt Action" unlike "Tactical Espionage Action" like the previous games. Metal Gear Solid 5 has been confirmed, so you don't need to get Rising in order to get your Metal Gear fix.
Speaking of MGS5, has anything been talking about it yet in terms of who the protagonist is?
Platinum is a great developer, MGS has always had a very quirky sense of humor, Revengeance is a spinoff, etc. My views have already been ninja'd, so I'll just say that I'm really interested in seeing what they do with this game.
Sorry OP, but while I don't care at all for the game, I wish everyone would actually read the title. It's not Metal Gear Solid. It's Metal Gear Rising. This distinction may seem small but it matters. There is no Solid anywhere in it. This is like comparing Paper Mario to Super Mario. It appears to be a different franchise altogether.
Eh, bit disappointed. I liked what it looked like originally, so this change to what essentially looks like a DMC rip-off disappoints me. Probably won't buy it (honestly, I am not nearly enamored with Platinum as many here are), but, you know, that's okay. Don't have to buy games I don't think I will like.
If the combat is half as fun as Bayonetta's was, then I'm sold. In MGS4 Raiden was over the top badass. His battles with Vamp made Snake look small time. Sure, the Metal Gear story is at its end, Rising is just there to cover Raiden's tracks between Sons of Liberty and Guns of the Patriots.
Palademon said:
You know what. I wonder how the fans of the original Metal Gear series feel.
Eh, bit disappointed. I liked what it looked like originally, so this change to what essentially looks like a DMC rip-off disappoints me. Probably won't buy it (honestly, I am not nearly enamored with Platinum as many here are), but, you know, that's okay. Don't have to buy games I don't think I will like.
That's the mentality every person who doesn't want it should have; if you don't like the game, then don't buy it. Don't call it "gay", don't say it's the "death of the Metal Gear Series" just say you're not interested and that should suffice. I'm not a huge fan of Platinum Games, Bayonetta was fun and I haven't played Vanquish but I do enjoy their games.
I don't mind a spinoff series (hopefully that's all this is), but I do want another 'proper' MGS title out soon. Kinda glad they haven't called it a Metal Gear 'Solid' game.
Well actually no and no. It has already been said that there will eventually be a metal gear solid 5 so the story really is not at its end. Also they pulled a 180 and scrapped the idea of having rising take place inbetween mgs2 and mgs4. Instead it is now supposed to take place several years after guns of the patriots. Platinum pretty much just took Raiden and scrapped everything else about the game.
They even said that Konami had the name changed to Metal Gear Rising to distance themselves from the project which should tell you something about it.
Eh, as for the story being at its end what more can they actually do? I was hoping Kojima knew that all good things had to come to an end, finishing with Metal Gear Solid 4 was perfect. As for the information about Rising, well I guess that goes to show my eagerness towards it, or rather the lack thereof.
I mean, the whole 'Riden tranformation' thing was the only interesting aspect of the project.
MGS is dead. It was supposed to end with 2, but they had to make 3 just to tell Big Boss's story.
Then the fans whined when Kojima wasn't gonna direct 4 and sent death threats, so then Kojima rage-killed all the villains (plus Snake in the nearest future) and made the Patriots out to be an anti-climax while Raiden finally reunited with his wife and son.
There's no fucking reason for the series to continue past what was a motherfucking SEPPUKU!
I actually didn't really care about Rising before. I really didn't want a serious Metal Gear game starring Raiden to be honest. I thought MGS4 tried too hard to make Raiden cool and Rising was just going to try even harder. It's not that I even hate Raiden, he's an alright character but that's about it. However, now with Platinum at the helm, they are going to make Raiden cool in a cheesy, B-movie kind of way instead of in a serious way. His voice is already 100x more gravelly and his forgotten "Jack the Ripper" nickname from MGS2 is already being used to maximum effect. Plus, the gameplay is going to be top-notch with over-the-top epicness that Platinum is known for, and I'm gonna love every minute of it. So, this change of direction actually skyrockets Rising up my most anticipated games list.
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