Poll: Can someone explain the hate for the Origin program?

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Baron_Rouge

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I don't game much on PC, but I prefer it. Steam makes me accept their draconian terms of service which, if my memory serves me correctly, recently made me promise to never sue them if I wanted continued access to all the games which I have legitimately bought in the past. Additionally, I once forgot to put it on offline mode before going to stay at my girlfriend's house with no wifi. I fancied a game of Civ V, booted it up, and it refused to start until I had found an internet connection so it go online to prepare to go offline, denying me access to a game which I purchased a physical copy of. It's ridiculous, it's convoluted, and it's primitive. They also haven't yet gotten back to me about a query which I sent them weeks ago when one of my games (Audiosurf) randomly stopped working, so they're unhelpful in my book too. As I said, I don't game much on the PC, and I haven't used Origin for very long, but it's better than Steam from my point of view.
 

Aaron Sylvester

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Hate Origin and I'm not on Steam's side either.

All these proprietary clients can die in a fire, let us go back to being able to launch & play games without needing to start and sign-into these stupid clients. Especially single player games.

Sales and deals can still work without forcing players to install extra programs on their computers.
 

Overusedname

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Steam has it's frustrations and service issues, so I might try it some day.

I only hear bad things about it though...
 

crazyrabbits

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Steam would do the same thing. If you broke the ToS on Steam and had your account banned, NONE of your games in your library would work without cracking them.

And the system scanning was removed a while ago. Now it just scans hardware resources, just like every game company does for the sake of initial optimization of graphics settings, except EA is currently the only one who actually tells you they're doing it in the EULA.
Yes, the first part is true - yet, it's still a different scenario altogether. Steam still engenders more good will because:

(a) the company itself has been shown to be mostly above-board, with a reputation for putting customers first almost all the time,

(b) the entry point for most of their content is far lower than Origin,

(c) the Steam ToS currently doesn't list "behaviour on a message board" as grounds for being banned, and is limited to severe actions such as violating legal acts, DDoS'ing other users or infringing on copyright, and

(d) the "cannot sue in EULA" clause comes from a Supreme Court decision, and has been found in many publishers' service agreements. Valve is not the only company to have done this.

Besides the inactivity account shutdown and arbitration clauses, Steam is still leagues better than Origin. We still have no confirmation besides the EULA change that the "spyware" component of Origin is gone - as mentioned above, it still causes red flags to pop up on anti-virus programs. Or did you forget that, just as recently as February of this year, the program was being investigated in Germany for supposedly accessing confidential tax records of its users (after they supposedly changed the program to collect nonidentifiable system data)?

If your whole argument supporting Origin is that "well, Valve does it too", then perhaps you need to revise your statement.
 

Schtoobs

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I have it purely for BF3. I don't look at it and it is not set to run unless I load a game of battlefield. The download speeds (when updating BF3) are REALLY good in my experience... like faster than my broadband connection. The prices are a joke though. They should be dropping prices to get more people on to Origin but instead they force you to use their software by making it unavailable anywhere else. Now, Steam does this but they reduce prices and reward their customers and make an effort to win your trust without the blatent trickery.

TBH I'd rather not use Origin at all. They need to steal a few more ideas from valve, mainly good ethics.
 

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I have a dozen or so card on my keychain for various supermarkets and stores. I'm aware they all track my spending habits and whatnot, but they give me deals and points that reward my patronage, so I dont bother. Download services are the direct opposite in pretty much everyway. They are a hassle, they are intrusive and as far as I can tell they dont actually reward me for anything. I wouldnt mind having origin if it did anything other than steal my personal information and annoy me with games.
 

dangoball

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It's interesting that in every debate about Origin the argument that it's a competition to Steams monopoly on digital distribution comes up. Like everyone forgot about GoodOldGames and GreenManGaming. Those guys also offer wonderful deals and are less intrusive than Origin or Steam.

OT:
I have Origin on my computer but haven't started it up since they closed multi-player component of ME3 demo. Haven't bought ME3 and I don't plan on doing so anytime soon, so it's just there, collecting virtual dust. Maybe I already uninstalled but forgot to delete its icon. Gonna have to check on that.
 

Loonyyy

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Some of us have had problems with it. Firstly, for instance, while it was still a Beta, it was forcibly attached to Battlefield 3. Most people didn't appreciate being strongarmed into beta testing something to play their game. Then the service itself was lacking. It's trying to compete with steam, but my experiences with it have typically been laggy and annoying. Rather than create a social hub, it's a nuisance preventing me from getting into games (And again for Battlefield 3, which also forces you to use the "Battlelog" system, it just adds another level of wankery.). I've got a peculiar problem where whenever it does a bigger update, it forgets my login. Incredibly annoying, since I use randomised strings for my passwords. So I have to dig out my codes, and reenter it, when I'd rather keep it saved. It also tends to crash or fail intermittantly, the overlay system is a nice attempt to replicate steam, but it needs to remember all of the features, and it needs to work more often than not. And at release, their license agreement and TOS basically gave them permission to sell your data. Which made some people a mite unhappy.

I guess the biggest problem it has is it's a shallow, imperfect copy of Steam, which brings little more to the table. Those who have steam don't usually see a need for Origin, and those without usually don't care. When you compare the two, Origin loses out. The one feature it had which I liked was the ability to choose your own install locations without screwing around (I'm aware there's a workaround for steam, but that's a pain).

If you want to compete with an existing product, you can't waltz out with a dodgy version of last years model and try to get people excited. And you'll have a lot of trouble convincing people to be happy when their first experiences are basically a Beta test (Some older gamers have this gripe about Steam from the days of HL2).
 

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crazyrabbits said:
Because it's glorified spyware. It tracks changes to your programs (and, apparently, your system) using what can be described as a glorified rootkit.
snekadid said:
Steam only slows your computer down if you have a computer with really low resources. Origin slows everything down with its "Big Brother" Esq constant monitoring/sending of information of systems that don't have anything to do with them or their games.
Any proof of this?

The only thing I ever saw was that bug regarding either file permissions from the wrong root folder (C:\program files\ instead of c:\program files\origin\), and someone's process tracker tripping over it when it was scanning their financial docs which happened to be in the folder too.

Or scanning in said folder for games it recognizes to add to your game library.

But I constantly see people still saying it scans and sends the data back to EA, but have yet to hear any further fervor over it since the initial outburst.

But not like it's stopping people from repeating it, simply because it's fit within their EA hate bandwagon.

As for its bugginess, remember Steam is 8 years old now, Origin is 1. Let's try to revisit that topic in 7 years?
 

NeverTheDeadMan

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Quicksilver_Phoenix said:
NeverTheDeadMan said:
Made my EA + competition to steam= RABID HATRED from escapists.

Jesus next you will be asking why escapists think 1+1=2
It's a real shame that people get so zealous about their dislike of things, because this is the result. Forgoing reasonable discussion just hinders your cause and makes people think like this guy.

OT: I'm personally avoiding Origin because I don't agree with EA's business practices. Simple as, no burning hate or anything. I just don't agree with what they're doing and don't want to aid them. I'm willing to play the few games they publish that I actually want on a console and even then I buy pre owned or at reduced prices.

Oh, that and all of the rumours surrounding what Origin actually does to your system behind the scenes. Anyone have any concrete evidence to this end?
Yo I dont agree with it either Im just pointing out what I believe to be the reality of the situation based on the massive amount of time I have spent lurking the forum before actually creating an account.
 

Inconspicuous Trenchcoat

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Since others have already given plenty of reasons for the hate it receives, I'll just add my own experience to amuse myself.

The only thing I've used Origin for is Mass Effect 3 (Digital Deluxe Edition on Amazon for $20, booyah). I have had zero problems with it. Other than the minor annoyance of it telling me ME3 is not prepare to be launched because it hasn't finished downloading the soundtrack. When I finish ME3, I will install the extended ending, then play/watch that, then uninstall Origin and never have plans to use it again. Side note: After playing through some of ME3, I think it was pretty low to rip the Prothean out of the game to sell as extra (luckily, I essentially either got it for free or bought it and only paid $10 for the main game ^^).

OFF TOPIC NONSENSE:
I'd rather only use Steam or play games independent of Steam and any other digital store client. I will still continue to purchase from whichever service gives me the best deal (unless it'd be tied to their client, like Capsule, Gamefly's thing, Gamestop's thing, Desura etc.).

In my experience, likely due to joining Origin after a year of bug fixing and minimal time using it, Steam has far more problems than Origin. Steam freaks out and freezes if you try to use it too quickly after exiting a game or sometimes by just switching focus to it from another basic desktop program (the latter being much more rare). Sometimes if you quickly switch to Steam and double click a game too rapidly, Steam will launch some other game that wasn't anywhere near your cursor (e.g. I try to launch Awesomenauts, and it somehow launches STALKER, which was at the opposite end of the screen). If your bandwidth is low (i.e. you're saturating your pipes with download/s) Steam, instead of just being slower like most every other website, sometimes refuses to work at all. The store almost always works fine when your bandwidth is scarce, but the Community features and trying to launch a game often fails (because it needs more than a few KB/s to authenticate your game, I guess, somehow...). Its download manager doesn't have a queue system and is slow to respond. Turning off the "Download Updates for the this game automatically" feature never actually works. So often, I'll start lagging horrendously in a online non-Steam (and sometimes even while playing Steam games) game because of Steam downloading updates I told it not to. In addition, even when you do "pause" a Steam download, it takes another 10-15 seconds for it to actually stop. So you continue to lag in your game after alt-tabbing back in.

I still really like Steam though. I have an unhealthy affection for its community features. I think it needs to be reiterated more often on the internet that it's possible to criticize something you like. Maybe if that's made clear often enough, someday more people will grasp this concept.

I'm really bitter in my posts sometimes, I need to find some perspective. Or take one of those "chill pills" I've heard so much about.
 

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When a big company like EA acts as both a publisher and a digital distributor I worry about a monopoly forming. If they control production and distribution it can cripple independent production. In comparison Valve has a very big market share in distribution, but they don't produce many titles themselves, so they are dependant on third parties.

When EA tries to support their digital download service by making their games Origin exclusives, it can start to get real ugly. Thats why I hope Origin won't get much success so that EA is forced to user other distribution services.

Valve is guilty of many of the same things as EA, but they don't have the same potential for becoming 'evil' overlords.

I also have a general dislike for EA and don't trust them as a digital distributor. It's a role that involves a large degree of trust because as a consumer I can do fuck all if they decide to revoke the stuff I 'purchased'.
 

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Frivolous account bans. You may lose your games on Origin like others already have.

I wouldn't trust Steam either, if Valve hadn't had a pretty decent reputation in the PC scene.
 

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Personally I don't hate EA, nor am I opposed to having a competitor to Steam out on the market, but I can only call Origin a competitor to steam in the loosest sense of the word. Barring other features such as Steam community/workshop/etc. a simple comparison of their games library shows just how far apart they are. As I write this a blanket search shows origin at 290 games while Steam's library holds 1766. 90% of the games on Origin are already on Steam, and during sales most can be had for a far cheaper price. Steam and Origin may be playing the same game but they are leagues apart.

Where I get annoyed is when I am forced to use it over an obviously superior distribution system to serve the developer's desire to sell DLC, that I'm never going to buy, without a middle man. This annoyance won't stop me from purchasing a game I would like to play, but given the size of the game library this doesn't happen often. Looking my Origin games list I only have 3 games on there, 2 of which (Spore and Alice: Madness Returns) were bought on Steam. This leaves only one game (ME3) that I actually bought on Origin. So honestly I don't hate Origin because it isn't important enough to have to use consistently.
 

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ThriKreen said:
Any proof of this?
See http://www.origin.com/faq#can-i-opt-out-of-data-collection
Origin FAQ said:
Can I opt out of data collection through Origin?
You can opt out of sharing hardware specifications and crash reports at any time. Sharing of system interaction data can be limited and made anonymous, but not completely disabled. All data sharing preferences can be controlled through your Origin Settings.
 

freakymojo

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Had a friend who bought ME3, finished it and didnt play it (and by extension didnt log into his origin account) for a couple of months, wanted to pick it up to play the leviathan dlc. game is gone from his library. as is all knowledge in their database that he ever owned it. so ofcourse customer support does nothing. obviously the funds didnt re-appear in his bank. he even had the "from ashes" dlc. and i know for a fact he had bought it. you can even see the files on his computor. but origin denies its existance now.

and thats why i will never use it.


fuck EA.
 

Yopaz

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NeverTheDeadMan said:
Made my EA + competition to steam= RABID HATRED from escapists.

Jesus next you will be asking why escapists think 1+1=2
I will admit that having the need for a new client besides Steam in order to play games was something I didn't like at first. Then I started thinking that it was good that EA was taking a share of the digital distribution market away from Steam preventing monopoly.

However I tested it out and it didn't look very pretty, it didn't run perfectly, the prices were higher than anywhere else. Also the update system seems clumsy in comparison. Now I will admit that I am not one of the biggest haters of Origin. I dislike it and I hope to see improvements. I am a huge fan of Steam, but the main reason I dislike Origin isn't because they're competition or because of EA. It's more because they're not competition to Valve. They try to take over a large established service by offering what Steam offered when people hated that.
 

NeverTheDeadMan

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Yopaz said:
NeverTheDeadMan said:
Made my EA + competition to steam= RABID HATRED from escapists.

Jesus next you will be asking why escapists think 1+1=2
I will admit that having the need for a new client besides Steam in order to play games was something I didn't like at first. Then I started thinking that it was good that EA was taking a share of the digital distribution market away from Steam preventing monopoly.

However I tested it out and it didn't look very pretty, it didn't run perfectly, the prices were higher than anywhere else. Also the update system seems clumsy in comparison. Now I will admit that I am not one of the biggest haters of Origin. I dislike it and I hope to see improvements. I am a huge fan of Steam, but the main reason I dislike Origin isn't because they're competition or because of EA. It's more because they're not competition to Valve. They try to take over a large established service by offering what Steam offered when people hated that.
That a good response. I was honestly being flippant with my original post and did not expect to get so many serious responses.
 

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Well lately i have been seeing a lot of complaining about The Origin program you have to install on your PC to play new EA games, some people have so much hate for it they simply do not buy any of the games that require Origin just so they do not have to install Origin.

Now I understand the dislike for EA to put it lightly and I too share that dislike for how they have butchered great games and I hope to heck they do not ruin the new Sims city game, but Does everyone not want this Origin Launcher because they Dislike EA so much or is there a main reason?

I have Origin on my PC (for Mass Effect 3) and to be honest I have not had any issue with downloading and installing and playing games, I have honestly had more problems with steam but in saying that steam does have much more features.

So yea why the hate for the origin program? (other then the fact that EA made it)
This is gonna sound dumb, but as for the poll, "I don't know" would be my answer. I had an EA account (think I had to get it for Dragon Age: Origins), and I guess it was converted over into an Origin account?

As for Origin it self, my main thing against it was the original "one year rental" system it had. Since I lack self control and money sense, I've bought tons of games that I haven't touched yet (getting a lot better at it now), and some of those I've had for years. Other games, like Pokemon Blue (I know it isn't on PC, but for example sake), I've had forever, and I'll go years without playing it, then sit down one weekend and play through it. I guess they've changed it shortly after that was found, but I still don't like the idea of it.

Other than that, I don't really have any reason for getting it. BioWare games are pretty bland and boring (in my opinion), and the Battlefield games aren't that great, either. So no point in getting games on yet another launching system unless I absolutely have to.
 

Yopaz

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NeverTheDeadMan said:
Yopaz said:
NeverTheDeadMan said:
Made my EA + competition to steam= RABID HATRED from escapists.

Jesus next you will be asking why escapists think 1+1=2
I will admit that having the need for a new client besides Steam in order to play games was something I didn't like at first. Then I started thinking that it was good that EA was taking a share of the digital distribution market away from Steam preventing monopoly.

However I tested it out and it didn't look very pretty, it didn't run perfectly, the prices were higher than anywhere else. Also the update system seems clumsy in comparison. Now I will admit that I am not one of the biggest haters of Origin. I dislike it and I hope to see improvements. I am a huge fan of Steam, but the main reason I dislike Origin isn't because they're competition or because of EA. It's more because they're not competition to Valve. They try to take over a large established service by offering what Steam offered when people hated that.
That a good response. I was honestly being flippant with my original post and did not expect to get so many serious responses.
Yell out that everyone on the Escapist are immature and they will construct the most mature responses you've ever seen just to prove you wrong. Not everyone, but some. However your post was in fact quite descriptive. EA gets hate for being EA. EA could be giving out puppies to sick kids and they would still be hated for it.