Poll: Canadian Voting, Escapist Views

[Robert0288]

Well I've been looking at some of the other threads, and I'm seeing a ton of people that want to vote for the NDP. What I'm looking at in this thread is in the poll vote for who you would vote for right now. And if you feel like writing say your normal voting habits and what side of the political spectrum your on.

Me personally I'm a fence sitter, usually only make up my mind seconds before putting an X on the ballot. I wasn't eligible to vote in the last federal election, but in the last Ontario provincial I voted for liberal, because I personally knew the Canidate before he entered politics.

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

NDP.
But more because I don't like the other parties then the NDP doing anything special.

 

[Anarchemitis]

I still can't vote, but I'd go Liberal for the reason that if Stephen Harper gets back into office once all is said and done, the only thing that might've changed would be either the opposition, or making a Conserative majority, otherwise a waste of taxpayer's dollars.

 

[MrHappy255]

Screw that I live in Caledonia so if you know anything about what is going on here that means the only option I have is to vote independant. Especially since all three major gov't groups have similar useless agendas... Give tons of money away to this group or that and tax us hard workers more and screw you if you actually want any governing done.

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

I still can't vote, but I'd go Liberal for the reason that if Stephen Harper gets back into office once all is said and done, the only thing that might've changed would be either the opposition, or making a Conserative majority, otherwise a waste of taxpayer's dollars.

The reason I'm against Harper is one word long. Iraq.
Had he been in power, we'd be in that war right now.

 

[Wandrecanada]

I've personally met Dion when he came to my city and did an unscripted town hall (twice) and I believe in the Liberal mandate. Dion was formerly a politics prof and understands how the country and it's citizens think historically and currently.

Here's a little something about Harper, and it's scary. Harper graduated with a masters in 1991. He's the first Prime Minister since Pearson not to have attended law school. Now here's the scary bit. He was at one time a member of the National Citizens Coalition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Citizens_Coalition). The NCC is a Libertarian anti government group who's primary aim is to shut down our Health Care system and go private. They also want to remove government oversight from businesses and feel that business owners will self censor by inspecting their own products for defects. Just check out how the Harper gov put in place a secret program where they removed the inspector from the Maple Leaf floor and it caused the death of at least 3 Canadians.

Harpers record with one time in office has already lead directly to the deaths of 3 Canadians. How's that for taking a gamble Stephen?

 

[Anton P. Nym]

So far, Liberal but not enthusiastically.

I used to be a Red Tory (or Blue Grit) back in the day, switching support from the Progressive Conservatives to the Liberals on the basis of their policies of the day, but the huge leap to the right by Reform/Alliance/"Canada's New Government" has wrecked that happy balance. If it was just Harper I might lean Conservative given the trade policies and opening up Employment Insurance to entrepeneurs and small business, but the Conservative back bench terrifies me.

I saw the NDP govern, and I saw how little it was able to govern according to its own platforms when they ran up against hard reality. No, I'm not voting for them; besides, I view my riding's NDP candidate (an encumbant, alas) as a bit of a twit... and I never much liked Layton's politics.

Green, no. I might as well tear up my ballot, and I don't favour the rightist social policies that oddly got tied to our ecology-friendly party.

So it's Dion for me; I'll come out ahead on the Green Shift as I'm already running with a low carbon footprint (eat that, Hummer-boys) and certainly could use the income tax cut, they won't gut our cultural funding in the name of social conservatism, and they won't keep pouring money into an auto industry that's frankly blown itself up over the past twenty years. (They'll direct bail-out to job retraining, hopefully giving enough displaced workers a solid place in an up-and-coming industry.)

-- Steve

 

[Robert0288]

Just check out how the Harper gov put in place a secret program where they removed the inspector from the Maple Leaf floor and it caused the death of at least 3 Canadians.

ummm if its secret, 1) how do you know. 2) can you prove it so others might know?

 

[Maet]

I haven't made up my mind yet. I'm going to take a detailed look at their policies and agendas before I make up my mind for certain. Considering the results of last nights English language debate, I'm not a fan of what anyone's doing or proposing to do. I suppose I dislike Harper the least.

 

[Random Argument Man]

Just check out how the Harper gov put in place a secret program where they removed the inspector from the Maple Leaf floor and it caused the death of at least 3 Canadians.

ummm if its secret, 1) how do you know. 2) can you prove it so others might know?

It's called media... Naturally, it's in the past tense, if you can deduct the fact that he knows this. If I remember right it was the medical journal that exposed this.

 

[civilizedworm]

Canadian politics in general make me sick to my stomach for two reasons. First, The leaders don't run election campaigns, they run marketing campaigns. Second, the Canadian population is generally naive and ignorant which I suspect is due to that cat piss they call tim horton's coffee.

I fundamentally disagree with Harper's views. I think Harper's "getting tough on crime" campaign is complete and utter bullshit. Although they have shown to be somewhat fiscally responsible, however I disagree with his "laissez-faire" view concerning the economy. Finally, his environmental plan to cut carbon emissions is ridiculous and counter-productive. Forcing companies to lower their emissions by lowering their intensity levels simply does not work. Such a plan enables companies to continue increasing their carbon emissions while lowering the intensity level.

I don't have a problem with Dion's Green Tax, however the liberals have been known in the past to say one thing and do the complete opposite once in power. Furthermore we saw Canadian carbon emissions increase while under the Chretien and Martin governments where Dion served as environment minister.

I think Jack Layton's heart is in the right place and the NDP platform is interesting however it doesn't seem all that practical and might lead directly to a deficit.

Finally, I will most likely vote for the Green Party. Of all the parties, I believe they are the only ones proposing new and refreshing ideas. Our electoral system is in a desperate need of revamping and I support the propositional representation mode proposed by the Green Party. It would not only benefit the green party, but would benefit all parties in general and ensure that canadians are adequately represented in the house of commons.

 

[Lost In The Void]

I agree Harper has made mistakes but why go to the NDP they wrecked i think it was Saskachewan's economy in one term and so far Conservitives have done ok in governing Alberta i just don't lik the Grits they've been in alot this last 100 years and managed to Fuck it up real good

 

[Random Argument Man]

Second, the Canadian population is generally naive and ignorant.

Tell me he hasn't said that.

Can you prove this mister???

EDIT: Note* Provincial parties are different than their federal counter-part. Don't judge if your provincial party failed.

 

[Anarchemitis]

All in all, it seems to me that it doesn't matter who we vote for because we seem complacent and little changes giving us little regard for what happens in Ottawa, therefore they're doing a good job.

 

[TomNook]

Not my country so I don't care. But Harper is a moron and should be shot.





So thats how that feels.

 

[civilizedworm]

Second, the Canadian population is generally naive and ignorant.

Tell me he hasn't said that.

Can you prove this mister???

EDIT: Note* Provincial parties are different than their federal counter-part. Don't judge if your provincial party failed.

It's my opinion that Canadians are generally uninformed and easily deceived. How can people inform themselves when all they read is trash like the Ottawa Sun and those free "newspapers"? It seems that they vote more with their heart than their minds.

 

[Clairaudient]

Canadians are easily deceived?

We didn't have 8 years of Bush. Seriously, 8 years.

If McPalin wins.. I don't even have words..

 

[ShadeOfRed]

If I could, I'd vote Liberal.
All of the NDP Commercials I've seen are bashing Harper. All the Conservatives ones are bashing Liberals. All the Liberal ones (I've seen.) are actually saying what they're doing. And Green is a one issue party.

 

[civilizedworm]

Green is a one issue party.

You clearly didn't watch the debates, nor have you been paying attention to the Green's campaign. If you had, you would know that the greens are not a one issue party as they believe strongly in reforming our electoral system. Furthermore, May made several interventions during the debate last night to criticize Harper on a number of issues not related to environment, such as culture and Harper's intention to toughen up on criminals.

It is wrong to claim that the Green Part is a one issue party, they are focused on the environment, true, but they also have a number of ideas to propose in other sectors as well.

 

[Robert0288]

Just check out how the Harper gov put in place a secret program where they removed the inspector from the Maple Leaf floor and it caused the death of at least 3 Canadians.

ummm if its secret, 1) how do you know. 2) can you prove it so others might know?

It's called media... Naturally, it's in the past tense, if you can deduct the fact that he knows this. If I remember right it was the medical journal that exposed this.

Ok, so I was feeling more than a little igorant so I started looking for this. Closest thing I found was this article:

A secret cabinet document leaked last month suggested the federal Conservatives want to hand over more inspection duties to industry as a part of future reforms.

The Tories, who haven't yet legislated any changes in food inspection policy, have not confirmed what their plans for reform would be.

"http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/08/27/food-safety.html"

I don't see anything that has anything to do with actual action. Other than a proposal for the self regulation of food standards. If you know a different site, that would be great.

I agree with Civlizedworm, I'm usually stuck reading the ottawa sun myself on sundays, because thats what they have at the restaurant. But it is a rag, although still better than the metro,24 and Xpress. Normal newspaper for me is the Citizen