Poll: Cell/Mobile Phone Cancer - What a Surprise.

Klarinette

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Ace Ventura told us, like.. 17 years ago. Why didn't we listen?

Oh, and the headline in my newspaper today said that there needs to be a study to link the two... so, it hasn't been confirmed yet, just boatloads of suspicion?
 

Jegsimmons

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cell phones are annoying and stupid anyway, i avoid talking to people on them as much as possible. and i don't text either.
 

Magikarp

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GonzoGamer said:
We?re not angry that they?ve been lying to us the whole time. We?ve known for years. It?s pretty obvious when you look at how these devises work.
...no. It hasn't been conclusively proven. Even worse is your poll option:

"Why don't you wrap some tin-foil around your head. Call phones don't cause cancer. How can you get cancer from radiation, that's what they use to kill cancer. I mean c'mon"

Do you understand how wavelengths work? Gamma rays are used against cancer, as these have a very high wavelength, thus carrying a lot of energy. Microwaves have a much lower wavelength, so don't have as much energy.

Sorry, but this whole thing just makes you sound ignorant.
 

ultratog1028

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Klarinette said:
Ace Ventura told us, like.. 17 years ago. Why didn't we listen?

Oh, and the headline in my newspaper today said that there needs to be a study to link the two... so, it hasn't been confirmed yet, just boatloads of suspicion?
Bull crap. ANything that uses Microwaves to transmit signals can cause cancer. It's a high energy wave length that passes through the human body. Last I checked, gamma radiation was a more powerful form of energy wave.

If ultraviolet waves can cause cancer, how can microwaves not? It's a higher frequency!

There's your study even if it only took two minutes.
 

SenseOfTumour

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I'd suggest that we're safer now than we ever have been, the more stuff cellphones can do, the less time we'll press em to our ears, preferring to hold them and look at the screen :D

Just to save people making more threads, here's the Daily Mail's cancer articles all linked by the item being discussed, you'll notice about half of everything in the world ever both causes and cures cancer, so that's handy. Strangely the Daily Mail isn't on there, as that only causes sever brain damage.

http://kill-or-cure.heroku.com/

The sad thing is, there may even be one or two articles in the few hundred there with some basis in medical fact, but merely being linked to the tidal wave of cancer BS that the Mail pumps out daily, means it won't be taken seriously. I saw an anti smoking ad in there recently and I nearly started, convinced doing the opposite to the Mail's advice to be the safest option.

Here's a fine example of the desperate straws journos clutch at to get the word 'cancer' into a headline -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1149207/How-using-Facebook-raise-risk-cancer.html

Yes, Facebook causes cancer. As do cellphones, pizza, peanut butter and scratching your arse with a terrapin's face.
 

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Read #5
http://www.cracked.com/article_17578_5-things-they-say-give-you-cancer-and-why-theyre-wrong.html
 

Hello My Name Is

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Really the first reliable source I looked at included the words 'may' and 'possibly' right from the off http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13608444. The simple fact is due to background radiation being present in almost everything and everywhere(including sausages or do you believe they are separate form everything else on this planet) without living in a lead lined room with nothing else in it we are surrounded by potential carcinogenic materials.

My final point is simply why included a poll when the options that disagree with your almost unfounded opinion based on the first news story you read today are so derogatory. There was no need for the overlong sentences on the poll apart from to try and influence peoples decisions by insulting those who disagree with you.
 

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monkey jesus said:
I am a radio engineer you are wrong.

Your phone does not use microwave band which is 110-140Ghz. It is used in the comms industry but only for narrow band point to point links between distribution sites. You have to aim those suckers with a laser because the beam is so narrow. This is not what comes out of your phone, that's one of around 800 NON-IONISING frequencies. Does not have the energy required to remove electrons, does not alter your atoms, DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER!

Even if it did microwaves are non-ionising, all that would happen is that anything with a high water content would eventually heat up.

You are in far more danger going out without sunscreen on.

Sorry if I sound pissed, its not the first time I've had to explain this.
The range of 300Mhz to 3GHz is actually considered to be part of the microwave spectrum, albeit at the very bottom. Well, at least that's what I learned in spectroscopy...

Furthermore, you are wrong. Non-ionizing energy can still be quite problematic, as it can potentially break weaker bonds, such as those holding DNA together. Even light in the visible spectrum can destroy organic molecules, even though it is not ionizing. That's of course not to say you should put up lead shielding between yourself and your microwave, simply because waves of that wavelength have next to no penetrative power. That's also why UV light causes only skin cancer, and nothing more dangerous; your epidermis takes the beating, and your organs remain protected. Radio waves...well, they have enough energy to flip the spin of subatomic particles. High energy microwaves can cause vibrations in molecules, and hence a heating effect. Your common microwave oven runs at a far greater frequency than your mobile phone, so...have fun heating up your dinner by leaving it next to your phone. Oh hey, here's an App idea for you: microwave heating! Let's see if this (non-working) thing sells!

That said, I am extremely skeptical about this so called study. For one, any medical "study" that links X to disease Y is more often than not horribly flawed, employs poor methodology, or is outright falsified. Furthermore, there is always the problem of ambitious and often under qualified "scientists" confusing correlation with causation. I have no problem believing that heavy cell phone users have a higher instance of cancer formation than the general public, simply because there are a metric fuckton of other variables involved. City living an associated pollution, toxic exposure, drinking/smoking, etc are all other possible explanations. Any scientist worth their damn would make triply sure to account for all other possible explanations before even suggesting a distinct correlation. And correlation is meaningless! Causation must be clearly established before I would even consider taking the study seriously. This of course requires rigorous (that is to say the exclusion of all other possibilities) explanation of the mechanism of action, and "microwaves heat your brain" don't cut it. And finally, even if one were to somehow arrive at a precise mechanism for how radiation in the range in question could be responsible for the growth of tumors, it would still be necessary to show that an average cell phone (!) emits a sufficient amount of them during typical use (!) to be hazardous. And even if that happens, why not go after the bloody cell towers that emit (!) far more radiation than your cell phone's tiny antenna? Stupid fucking cargo cult science...

tl;dr: bullshit study is full of bullshit. Always take medical studies with a grain and/or several tons of salt.
 

Dfskelleton

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Cell phones can not give you cancer.
Only heppatitis.
OT: Sorry, couldn't resist. The Fact Sphere was too funny.
Everyone has a cell phone, people with cancer, people without cancer, people who have brass pelvises, etc.
However, since they're in such large use, let's blame them! Literally everything can slightly increase your chances of getting cancer. For example, someone taking the time to write out that they think cell phones give you cancer.
We get radiation from everything, including cell phones I guess, but it's not cell phones alone.
 

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ultratog1028 said:
Bull crap. ANything that uses Microwaves to transmit signals can cause cancer. It's a high energy wave length that passes through the human body. Last I checked, gamma radiation was a more powerful form of energy wave.

If ultraviolet waves can cause cancer, how can microwaves not? It's a higher frequency!

There's your study even if it only took two minutes.
You're being ironic, right? Goodness I hope so.

Anyway, there isn't much I can add to the discussion that hasn't been said already. But it's along the lines of; microwaves have too little energy to ionise molecules, therefore they cannot give rise to somatic mutation within cells, therefore they do not cause cancer.

If a new study shows up which has been peer reviewed to an extent beyond 31 scientists and shows irrefutable causal correlation between mobile phone use and tumour formation then I'll probably accept it. We are not there yet, as far as I'm aware.
 

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Jamboxdotcom said:
Vault101 said:
well we dont know for SURE
This. Also, everything causes cancer. It would be easier to compile a list of things that are not carcinogenic than to list all things that are. Just use common sense, the dosage makes the poison, and all that.
This is exactly my stance. Yeah, it emits electromagnetic radiation which COULD give you cancer but you're probably more likely to die in a plane crash, and we all know how unlikely that is.

I can't imagine it's much more likely to give you cancer than anything else that emits electromagnetic radiation. You know stuff like your microwave, TV remote, FM radio, lightbulbs, body etc.

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GonzoGamer said:
We?re not angry that they?ve been lying to us the whole time. We?ve known for years. It?s pretty obvious when you look at how these devises work.
...no. It hasn't been conclusively proven. Even worse is your poll option:

"Why don't you wrap some tin-foil around your head. Call phones don't cause cancer. How can you get cancer from radiation, that's what they use to kill cancer. I mean c'mon"

Do you understand how wavelengths work? Gamma rays are used against cancer, as these have a very high wavelength, thus carrying a lot of energy. Microwaves have a much lower wavelength, so don't have as much energy.

Sorry, but this whole thing just makes you sound ignorant.
I agree with you but you should just know that Gamma has very short wavelength. It's high frequency
 

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Necator15 said:
So you're going from the WHO's announcement that cellphones might cause cancer to cellphones do cause cancer, and you're implying anyone who (correctly) thinks the findings are largely inconclusive is an idiot?

Also, the poll's terrible. Why bother having a poll if you're going to slant every single option in favor of your opinion?
immovablemover said:
Blatantly biased poll is biased. Where my option for "Meta analysis of countless years of data is either inconclusive, shows no correlation or shows only tenuous correlation".

Also, to OP who seemed SHOCKED that we asked for a source of his info (Someone clearly has a touch of the dumb today) I clicked the google search link you posted and the most recent news story is entitled "Why you still shouldn't worry about cellphones and cancer" [http://blogs.forbes.com/matthewherper/2011/06/01/why-you-still-shouldnt-worry-about-cell-phones-and-cancer/]

The comparisons being made between phones and microwave ovens are patently absurd. You may as well be comparing a Campfire to the Sun because "Well they're both sources of heat!", SO many experiments have been done to show whether a cellphone can cook your brain like microwave oven and it turns out that, no, you can't talk to your breakfast and heat it up.

Plus, this INTERPHONE study was published last year in which the conclusion was that there was no credible evidence of a link. Suddenly that conclusion changes, without really any explanation as to why that conclusion has changed, and all of sudden NOW its gospel? NOW its news?

When the paper was published originally [http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100517/full/news.2010.246.html] Notice how none of the numbers have changed, only the conclusion.

Also, The final nail in this sensationalist coffin, What the WHO have actually done is reclassify cellphones to put them in group 2b of things "possibly carcinogenic to humans" (that is, things which limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans and less than sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in experimental animals). Other things in this group?

- Coffee
- Pickled vegatables
- Working in a dry cleaner
- Talcum Powder

Things which are considered more deadly? (IE group 2A, still not group 1)

- Being a hairdresser
- Using a sunbed

Your Cellphone will not give you cancer. Sorry.
I had to quote you both simply because you both explained my point of view in exquisite detail. The fact is, pretty much every electronic device is exposing you to varied levels of electromagnetic radiation. Depending on the amount and wave-lengths, some are more dangerous than others.

Ironically enough, the OP was likely exposed to more radiation from his computer monitor when posting this than any of us are from the daily use of our cell phones.
 
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It didn't really say it gives you cancer just that it might increase the risk. Besides Microwaves are not ionising radiation which is the type of radiation that is really bad for you. In fact 87% of radiation you experience everyday is from normal background radiation. Obviously if you stick a phone to your faces for hours and hours every day for a long time it will damage you. As lots of low energy radiation can cause problems.

Also the reason Micowaves produce so much heat from a lower energy electromagnetic radiation source like Microwaves is that they use a very high concentration of them trapped in a small area and reflected around.