Poll: CISPA is back, do you care?

[Church185]

So the bill that was shot down by internet activists last year is back, and it is essentially unchanged. Despite this, I haven't seen the huge opposition against it like I did last time. Has it simply flow under the radar for a lot of people this time? OR do people not care anymore?

P.S. How do my fellow Escapists who don't hail from the USA feel about the bill? How could it potentially affect you?

Source:
http://gamepolitics.com/2013/02/12/cispa-be-re-introduced-wednesday#.UT5GuBkyE3o
http://gamepolitics.com/2013/03/11/who-currently-supports-cispa#.UT5G5RkyE3o

 

[DoPo]

Oh gods...I hope this thread doesn't turn the way I think it would

Welp, I'm on the opinion that privacy is important and people have a right to it. It seems the USA government think they'd rather go do what the USSR would do in their place. You know, the one country they shouldn't be following and would firmly deny doing so.

As for how it would affect me...hard to say. Probably not a lot at first but I somehow doubt I'd live a consequence free life if that goes through.

 

[CrazyBlaze]

Everyone should be concerned. Seeing as it was just recently reintroduced I think its going to a bit for the news to get around. Once it does you can be sure there will be opposition to it. I think its going to be a war of attrition now. Each year the bill or something like it gets reintroduced until the other side finally tires of it. Also people not in the States (myself included) should be concerned. Don't think in this age of global connectivity that it wouldn't eventually effect everyone.

 

[Shivarage]

This is retarded, once a bill has been shot down it (and anything remotely similar) should have at least a 5 year staying-down period!

 

[Ljs1121]

I'm pretty concerned about it, yeah. But I doubt it'll pass. Since the main backing of the bill comes from Republican legislators and Republicans don't control both houses, I don't see it coming through. Even if it does pass House and Senate, it would be political suicide for President Obama to not veto it. And I don't think that Congress has the 2/3 support necessary to overthrow that veto.

 

[piinyouri]

Not surprising really.
These things always come back.
If it's delayed/stalled this time it will be back again.
Why this surprises people, I don't know.

 

[Reeve]

And people think they live in a democracy in America. Yet you Americans put up with this kind of stuff apparently?

 

[Xpwn3ntial]

You are aware that the one that people were pissy about last year was SOPA and that CISPA had the unfortunate timing of coming out at the same time, right?

CISPA is about internet security and privacy, such as protection from hackers, identity theft,and other facets of internet security.

PIRACY IS NOT A PART OF THIS THAT IS SOPA STOP CONFLATING THOSE TWO.

Get the hell out of this thread. Your rationality has no place here.

OT: While not about piracy, I don't want it to pass because I don't want companies sharing my shit with people.

 

[DoPo]

You are aware that the one that people were pissy about last year was SOPA and that CISPA had the unfortunate timing of coming out at the same time, right?

CISPA is about internet security and privacy, such as protection from hackers, identity theft,and other facets of internet security.

PIRACY IS NOT A PART OF THIS THAT IS SOPA STOP CONFLATING THOSE TWO.

Who...was talking about piracy? I mean aside from you.

Also, how is it about privacy when it's pretty much the opposite - sharing data?

 

[Jodah]

I'm pretty concerned about it, yeah. But I doubt it'll pass. Since the main backing of the bill comes from Republican legislators and Republicans don't control both houses, I don't see it coming through. Even if it does pass House and Senate, it would be political suicide for President Obama to not veto it. And I don't think that Congress has the 2/3 support necessary to overthrow that veto.

Considering Obama is in his second term and, therefore, cannot run again, political suicide isn't that big of a threat to him.

 

[direkiller]

So the bill that was shot down by internet activists last year is back, and it is essentially unchanged. Despite this, I haven't seen the huge opposition against it like I did last time. Has it simply flow under the radar for a lot of people this time? OR do people not care anymore?

P.S. How do my fellow Escapists who don't hail from the USA feel about the bill? How could it potentially affect you?

Source:
http://gamepolitics.com/2013/02/12/cispa-be-re-introduced-wednesday#.UT5GuBkyE3o
http://gamepolitics.com/2013/03/11/who-currently-supports-cispa#.UT5G5RkyE3o

it's under the radar because it is non-issue at this point
there is a diffidence between re-introducing and voting, Last time it was the CISPA's house vote that got the attention of the internet.
Right now CISPA it is not even due for a hearing in the Comity stage, Let alone a comity vote and then a floor vote.

 

[Living Contradiction]

The people sent a message in 2012, loud and clear, that they do not appreciate being spied upon. The Senate and the White House agreed, causing the bill to die quietly.

Congress' reaction? A two year delay and lather, rinse, repeat.

America, you've got an election coming up next year and the dolt who put this bill forward both times will be running. He's a rep of Michigan's eighth district. Please, do yourselves a favour and send him packing. He clearly does not know how to listen.

 

[hazabaza1]

And people think they live in a democracy in America. Yet you Americans put up with this kind of stuff apparently?

Apparently not since the last time it got proposed it got horribly shot down. As it likely will this time.

 

[Dryk]

And people think they live in a democracy in America. Yet you Americans put up with this kind of stuff apparently?

Sometimes I feel like the best thing for the US would be to just roll over and submit to a dictatorship/plutocracy/whateverhellholeitstryingtodescendintotoday. It's going to happen eventually, might as well get it over with as quick as possible so they can revolt that much sooner.

 

[Church185]

This is retarded, once a bill has been shot down it (and anything remotely similar) should have at least a 5 year staying-down period!

I kind of agree, we definitely voiced our opinions last time and the senate backed down. But if they really followed that kind of logic (having to have a grace period before resubmitting a bill), then we wouldn't be able to fight for LGBT rights.
Congress has shot down any attempts in recent memory due to a large portion of the voting population being older religious voters.

I understand the need to have a system in place for cybersecurity, but not at the expense of my privacy.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

I don't understand how come they keep pimping the same proposals year on year, but with a modified acronym. PIPA, SOPA, CISPA and all the others are constantly coming again and again. Surely if it was defeated, it would stay defeated? These guys seem to think repeating the same nonsense again and again will eventually browbeat everyone into submission.

Is this the one where they say they need to be able to legally hack and listen in on every Email, browsing history and Internet habit of their own (American) citizens to protect them from some unknown thing? The laughable part is what or from where this supposed "threat" exists. Surely if Iran had the tech they'd have used it by now, and I'm not convinced that that spying on her own citizens can help defend America from external threats. Surely a Cisco firewall would be a better start...

How could it potentially affect you?

It doesn't, unless I move there. In the same way that the UK RIP bill doesn't directly affect Americans. It's worrying that the so-called land of free speech and amendment this, that and the other is hoping to legally spy on and take privacy away from its citizens.

But we're used to having our personal rights taken away and abused by the govmt. here in the UK with nary a grumble nor a whimper, so it's about time another supposed bastion of democracy and freedom gets the same treatment!

 

[Church185]

You are aware that the one that people were pissy about last year was SOPA and that CISPA had the unfortunate timing of coming out at the same time, right?

CISPA is about internet security and privacy, such as protection from hackers, identity theft,and other facets of internet security.

PIRACY IS NOT A PART OF THIS THAT IS SOPA STOP CONFLATING THOSE TWO.

You aren't wrong, SOPA was also a potential pain that was introduced at the end of 2011 and was thrown out in the beginning of 2012. It gave companies too much power to control the internet, and could pose serious stability issues. Extra-Credits did an episode on that.

There is a link to it here:
http://extra-credits.net/episodes/sopa-pipa/

What we are talking about it CISPA, which also gained the internet's hate because it allowed the government to gather information about you from companies like Facebook, Google, or even the Escapist without a warrant. That allows them to ignore the 4th Amendment (at least in the US), the one about unreasonable search and seizure.

Here are article's fighting against it from when it was introduced last time:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/27/cispa-house-senate-bill
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/04/voices-against-cispa

 

[Vegosiux]

Fact is that some kind of a regulation is needed on the internet too, because let's face it...wouldn't the internet be so much better without spam and the like? Fact, however, is alto that that regulation must be implemented without compromising the rights and liberties of non-malicious internet users.

Therefore it's arguably a good thing that proposals keep coming then being shot down if they're not a sufficient compromise for all parties involved until there's a proposal that is a sufficient compromise. Also noteworthy is that the people can also get together and suggest an alternative. Too often it seems to me that it's assumed the conclave of death eaters from Horsehead Nebula government proposes laws because fuck the people.

What's needed here is for the people to exercise their political power, but for that, you need to be both informed and politically active. And maybe suggest something of their own, as a citizens' initiative, an organized effort to bring forth an alternative proposal to be considered.

SOPA and ACTA were bad pieces of legislation, so it was only fitting they got nuked from the orbit. I'm slightly less familiar with CISPA as I haven't been keeping up, but if it's bad, it should be shot down too. The key thing here is that you need to understand why it's bad, not just go "muh freedoms!" as a knee-jerk reaction. Sure, put the pressure on the elected representatives if you feel they're not serving the best interests of the people, but also tell them how they could serve those interests better. Tell them that again and again, and don't shut up because the first three times they didn't listen. After all, has any government ever outlasted its people?

 

[Church185]

How could it potentially affect you?

It doesn't, unless I move there. In the same way that the UK RIP bill doesn't directly affect Americans. It's worrying that the so-called land of free speech and amendment this, that and the other is hoping to legally spy on and take privacy away from its citizens.

But we're used to having our personal rights taken away and abused by the govmt. here in the UK with nary a grumble nor a whimper, so it's about time another supposed bastion of democracy and freedom gets the same treatment!

I was really curious about if it would affect other people or not (since our country likes to think of themselves as the global police force).

I wonder if they would be able to get information from companies that aren't based in the united states? For instance, I don't think they couldn't get IP addresses of users who frequent The Pirate Bay, because that company isn't based in the US.