I realize that my system is one-dimesional, but this was more or less an experiment. The reason an actual political graph has four areas, is because the two dimensions are the two most important political issues in determining political alignment: Economy and Society. In this poll I only see one issue that differentiates between the two: Change in Real-World experience.Kevin7557 said:There is more than just conservative and liberal. An actual political graph has four areas. I would guess I'm a libertarian gamer, I play what I think is fun and I encourage development but love the classics as well.
DRM is a matter of freedom. As is the freedom to choose between games in the matter. So yes, there is freedom at stake here.zehydra said:I realize that my system is one-dimesional, but this was more or less an experiment. The reason an actual political graph has four areas, is because the two dimensions are the two most important political issues in determining political alignment: Economy and Society. In this poll I only see one issue that differentiates between the two: Change in Real-World experience.Kevin7557 said:There is more than just conservative and liberal. An actual political graph has four areas. I would guess I'm a libertarian gamer, I play what I think is fun and I encourage development but love the classics as well.
You ultimately wouldn't call yourself a Libertarian anyway, since Libertarianism is a philosophy based upon freedom as the most important value. There is no value of freedom in this context.
Motion controls are harmful to this generation because the money spent by Sony and Microsoft on motion controls means that either they'll have to extend the life of some fairly old consoles or, they've spent money that could have pushed for better systems or cheaper prices on their next consoles.scorptatious said:Something tells me this thread is going to be incredibly one sided. But whatever, I'll bite.
I guess I'm sort of mostly a Conservative gamer myself. I'm not really into motion controls myself, but I don't see why they would be harmful to the gaming industry. Just so long as it doesn't replace traditional gaming I'm fine with it.
But you are wrong.zehydra said:I realize that my system is one-dimesional, but this was more or less an experiment. The reason an actual political graph has four areas, is because the two dimensions are the two most important political issues in determining political alignment: Economy and Society. In this poll I only see one issue that differentiates between the two: Change in Real-World experience.Kevin7557 said:There is more than just conservative and liberal. An actual political graph has four areas. I would guess I'm a libertarian gamer, I play what I think is fun and I encourage development but love the classics as well.
You ultimately wouldn't call yourself a Libertarian anyway, since Libertarianism is a philosophy based upon freedom as the most important value. There is no value of freedom in this context.
Yes, which is what I based my definitions around. Those who hate DRM hate it because it's getting more and more invasive. They also hate motion controls because it is different from what they're used to (3D has a plethora of reasons, including medical ones). Conservative Gamers also prefer high-end graphics, because that is what they expect of the industry. Graphics have always become "better and better", and conservative Gamers expect that from the industry. I included Minecraft as an Indy game that Conservative gamers may not like, because it has low-res graphics, and to them, that would be seen as backwardsMid-Boss said:I don't agree with your definition of conservative and liberal gamers.
It has always been to my understanding that Conservative has always meant small circle of comfort and fear of change. Thus anything and anyone new and different is met with open hostility. Liberal has been... well pretty much the opposite.
Hmm. Good points. It's been a really long time since I've heard anything about what's going to happen for next gen consoles. Besides the Wii U of course.AtheistConservative said:Motion controls are harmful to this generation because the money spent by Sony and Microsoft on motion controls means that either they'll have to extend the life of some fairly old consoles or, they've spent money that could have pushed for better systems or cheaper prices on their next consoles.scorptatious said:Something tells me this thread is going to be incredibly one sided. But whatever, I'll bite.
I guess I'm sort of mostly a Conservative gamer myself. I'm not really into motion controls myself, but I don't see why they would be harmful to the gaming industry. Just so long as it doesn't replace traditional gaming I'm fine with it.
Libertarianism doesn't really fit in gaming, as it just doesn't make sense.CM156 said:zehydra said:My definitions come from a combinations of pre-existing definitions and people that I have observed. I get the relation of the second part of your definition, but why do Libertarian Gamers enjoy all forms of gaming?CM156 said:Well, you have conservatives and liberals, why can't you let us in?zehydra said:Libertarianism is a political philosophy focused on freedom. Freedom is not really an issue in this context.CM156 said:Where do Libertarians fit in?
Regardless, I'd say that politically, I'm more conservative, and that as a gamer, I'm also the same.
If I had to say, gaming Libertarians enjoy all forms of gaming, but detest "inovation" that comes from the top without practical application.
They want gaming to be free to evolve, but without the "suits" messing things up
Because they are more relaxed and don't view gaming as something that needs to be all about competition. The idea is that they don't bind themsleves to one single gaming idea.
My point is that they want to see things evolve, but think that far too often, it does so in the wrong way. So they?re willing to support the correct way when it happens in order to give incentive.
Not just game development, dear reader, development of hardware and liscensing. What about cool games that got the axe in development because they didn't think they would sell well?Glerken said:Libertarianism doesn't really fit in gaming, as it just doesn't make sense.CM156 said:zehydra said:My definitions come from a combinations of pre-existing definitions and people that I have observed. I get the relation of the second part of your definition, but why do Libertarian Gamers enjoy all forms of gaming?CM156 said:Well, you have conservatives and liberals, why can't you let us in?zehydra said:Libertarianism is a political philosophy focused on freedom. Freedom is not really an issue in this context.CM156 said:Where do Libertarians fit in?
Regardless, I'd say that politically, I'm more conservative, and that as a gamer, I'm also the same.
If I had to say, gaming Libertarians enjoy all forms of gaming, but detest "inovation" that comes from the top without practical application.
They want gaming to be free to evolve, but without the "suits" messing things up
Because they are more relaxed and don't view gaming as something that needs to be all about competition. The idea is that they don't bind themsleves to one single gaming idea.
My point is that they want to see things evolve, but think that far too often, it does so in the wrong way. So they?re willing to support the correct way when it happens in order to give incentive.
"They want gaming to be free to evolve, but without the "suits" messing things up"
Politically, this can be a philosophy. It doesn't really make sense with gaming, as there is no "suit" that muddles with the development of a game. The developers have complete control over the game they're making.
"Because they are more relaxed and don't view gaming as something that needs to be all about competition" Also, I don't see how this fits in with Libertarianism at all.
'zehydra said:Yes, which is what I based my definitions around. Those who hate DRM hate it because it's getting more and more invasive. They also hate motion controls because it is different from what they're used to (3D has a plethora of reasons, including medical ones). Conservative Gamers also prefer high-end graphics, because that is what they expect of the industry. Graphics have always become "better and better", and conservative Gamers expect that from the industry. I included Minecraft as an Indy game that Conservative gamers may not like, because it has low-res graphics, and to them, that would be seen as backwardsMid-Boss said:I don't agree with your definition of conservative and liberal gamers.
It has always been to my understanding that Conservative has always meant small circle of comfort and fear of change. Thus anything and anyone new and different is met with open hostility. Liberal has been... well pretty much the opposite.
I am not making up any of these opinions, I am simply trying to categorize them, since many of them seem to fit together.