Poll: Controversial Topics

[SillyBear]

The majority of scientists in the field though the world was flat, tomatoes were poisonous, and the sun revolved around the earth at one time or another.

Ah, this old chestnut. This is my favourite anti-science argument I've ever heard.

You know why? Because not many scientists actually tested whether the world was flat or not. That piece of misinformation was relatively unchallenged through most of human history. It took a scientist to discover the truth, whilst religion opposed him for decades. Oh what a ground breaking anti-science argument you have.

It is because of religion that the human race thought the world was flat for so long. They executed anyone for daring to do any research on it whatsoever. Oh yes, stupid science! /facepalm. This is like laughing at a Chef for not being able to prepare a meal in under thirty minutes whilst knocking the pan off the stove every time he tries to cook.

"Tomatoes were thought of as poisonous". Oh I see. Tell me, what scientist was it who came to that conclusion after doing research? None. Tomatoes were thought of to be poisonous due to their strong resemblance to the "Wolfpeach" fruit, a poisonous fruit that was referred to by Aelius Galenus in his studies. So, when the Frenchman Joseph Pitton de Tournefort came across the tomato for the first time, he immediately thought it to be the "Wolfpeach" that Galenus wrote about.

They were also considered poisonous due to their colour.

No science was used to come to that conclusion at all. Once the scientific method was used for the first time in regard to the tomato, it became clear that the tomato was not poisonous. So that's 2 points to science.

Great argument you have there.

Tell me, when was the last time science was wrong about something with this much research and study behind it?

Never? Correct!

3) Oh, but it is. The chicken eggs required a protien produced by (yes, you guessed it.) a fully functional and developed chicken. Therefore, chickens could not have evolved from an older species, since if the chicken, dinosaur combo existed, it would lack the necessary protien to carry on the chicken evolution.

/facepalm.

This is great.

Yes, newsflash, modern chickens today require the protein found in the ovaries of their mother. However, the mother's ovaries, the protein and the egg co-evolved.

What does this mean? It went through genetic change in a coordinated manner. Read about it Just because one feature of the chicken is now required for the formation of the other doesn't disprove anything.

What happened is that this "dino-combo" chicken eventually hatched an egg to a chicken that possessed the proteins capable of hatching the chicken we know and love today. There are thousands and thousands of reasons as to why the protein levels of chickens could have changed over time.

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You're arrogant enough to suggest that 97.3% of biologists are completely wrong about their overwhelming depth of study and that you, some nobody, knows the truth. Fantastic. And no, scientists have never been wrong about something this researched and this documented before.

You're a man who claims affiliation to the mighty God, yet calls one of the greatest sinners of all time a genius. You're muddled up, and you're confused.

 

[Phlakes]

I won't say there is no god, but you can't just take the ludicrous amounts of evidence supporting evolution and call it all coincidence. There's having an opinion and then there's being completely unreasonable.

http://myfacewhen.com/64/

Mfw you think evolution disproves G-d (??????????)
Mfw you act like there's only one concept of G-d, ever
Mfw motherfucking Saint Augustine would like to have a word with you

*sigh

Give me a second to put a huge-

This statement directed at people who believe in the popular Christian version of intelligent design

I thought it wasn't necessary. How silly of me, I keep accidentally assuming people can use basic judgement.

 

[Thaluikhain]

It is because of religion that the human race thought the world was flat for so long. They executed anyone for daring to do any research on it whatsoever. Oh yes, stupid science! /facepalm. This is like laughing at a Chef for not being able to prepare a meal in under thirty minutes whilst knocking the pan off the stove every time he tries to cook.

Actually, no, the Earth was proved to be round before religion became entrenched in doctrine. When not everyone believed in the same gods, and the ones that more or less did didn't believe in them the same way, there's nobody big enough to yell at philosophers for measuring shadows.

But, that's just a quibble. Good point on why that argument doesn't hold up, I'll remember that for next time it comes up.

 

[evilneko]

The topic of "evolution vs. creationism" is only controversial among laymen.

Among scientists, there is none. Evolution is the very foundation upon which modern biology is built. As one put it, "Nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution."

Nevertheless this thread will probably grow to monstrous proportion... much like the other one which is still on the front page...

/sigh. Here we go again.

It's well on the way. I'm frikkin' psychic, baby.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

The topic of "evolution vs. creationism" is only controversial among laymen.

Among scientists, there is none. Evolution is the very foundation upon which modern biology is built. As one put it, "Nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution."

Nevertheless this thread will probably grow to monstrous proportion... much like the other one which is still on the front page...

/sigh. Here we go again.

It's well on the way. I'm frikkin' psychic, baby.

I have a feeling that no one actually reads the damn threads before posting. How many times and on how many pages did we have to keep correcting people on the use of the word "theory"? And the arrogance of some of these ID proponents. Do you have a degree in any field related to evolution? Have you done research on the subject? No? Then your opinion doesn't matter. I'm not trying to be harsh, but it is true. Aesmodan summed it up best:

Funny how some people think science is a matter of personal opinion

 

[Cakes]

I won't say there is no god, but you can't just take the ludicrous amounts of evidence supporting evolution and call it all coincidence. There's having an opinion and then there's being completely unreasonable.

http://myfacewhen.com/64/

Mfw you think evolution disproves G-d (??????????)
Mfw you act like there's only one concept of G-d, ever
Mfw motherfucking Saint Augustine would like to have a word with you

*sigh

Give me a second to put a huge-

This statement directed at people who believe in the popular Christian version of intelligent design

I thought it wasn't necessary. How silly of me, I keep accidentally assuming people can use basic judgement.

Sorry, I should have been able to magically infer that. Speak clearly.

 

[InfiniteSingularity]

I believe we intelligently evolved.

Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck about this debate. Where do we come from? Who fucking cares? Knowing isn't going to make us happier or more enlightened. And thus, I do not care enough to get involved in the debate.

 

[evilneko]

I believe we intelligently evolved.

Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck about this debate. Where do we come from? Who fucking cares? Knowing isn't going to make us happier or more enlightened. And thus, I do not care enough to get involved in the debate.

The study and understanding of evolution has produced countless benefits in many areas, especially medicine.

Creationism/Intelligent Design, not so much. Nor will they ever.

That's why it's important.

 

[10BIT]

From the one link off that page I checked, (it was an example of an armored fish that "de-evolved")

Well, if you checked others, e.g. the stick insects [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/science/29evol.html] or the mouse [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyJGA_1_v8A], you would have found examples where the specimens were known to be without the trait that later appeared.

If you are presented with a google search, try to at least skim through all the first page instead of just the first link.

 

[fenrizz]

I believe we intelligently evolved.

Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck about this debate. Where do we come from? Who fucking cares? Knowing isn't going to make us happier or more enlightened. And thus, I do not care enough to get involved in the debate.

The study and understanding of evolution has produced countless benefits in many areas, especially medicine.

Creationism/Intelligent Design, not so much. Nor will they ever.

That's why it's important.

It's also important because we shouldn't allow people to spread false knowledge and outright lies as scientific fact.

Intelligent Design is nothing but a "clever" way to say god did it, so that it can be thought in schools.
It sickens me that such obvious religious, unscientific nonsense is even mentioned in school.

That one can find one small example that science does not yet explain does not mean that I.D. holds any merit.
In fact, trying to find examples and proof for all the obscure little things these people come up with takes time and effort away from doing real science.

Frankly, I've had enough of this pseudoscience.
I wish it to be outlawed.

Also, sorry for ranting there.
This is not directed at you Evilneko