Poll: CS:S and realism.

[pxZero]

Firstly, after doing a forum search, I find myself suprised to have not found a debate on this issue. If there is one, could you please link me and a mod lock/delete this thread? I'm not trying to break rules or step on toes. That being said, I'll continue.

Those of you who don't know what CS:S is need not answer the poll, or even progress further. What follows are my personal thoughts on Counter-strike versus CS:S.

I always thought Source has a place, and that used to be the dumpster. I thought the world shared my sentiments, only to be wrong. The professional players are moving to source, presumably since it's more graphically impressive and the sponsors like that it showcases their machines. I can't imagine you giving up your best game and moneymaker just for better graphics.

It's not even the same game. The physics are different, the sprays are different, the weapons act differently, and walling isn't the same.

If the pros are moving, it begs the question: Why are YOU, the other players moving? Beyond graphics, all I've heard is 'realism'.

Realism, really? Yes, you can't shoot through 10 feet of concrete wall in real life, but riddle me this. In Source, what's the best armour you can buy? I'm betting you thought 'Kevlar and helmet'. Joke's on you, it's actually 'A peice of wood'. That's right. The same armour the aboriginal's used before England and France landed in North America. Wooden armour provides more protection then a Kevlar + Helmet in the year 2000. That's right, 1000 years of technological advance and we haven't come up with a better defence then 'wood'. Don't beleive me? Next time you play, don't buy armour and have someone awp you through the wooden DD. The numbers speak for themselves.

And then there's the 'nade in your head' trick, the silliness of walking, the round top/flat top barrels... and the list goes on. (Yes, I have a list).

So is there some great development I'm missing, or is it really so simple:
Source is new. 1.6 is old. Playability be damned.

 

[Stella Q]

I used to play CS competitively, but when Half-Life 2 came out I and my clan switched to CS:S and haven't regretted it once. Sure I've heard the arguments about the hitboxes and the recoil patterns and all that stuff but, after going back and playing 1.6 I'm convinced it's all bollocks. People that say CS:S is trash (read: you) either a)don't have a computer capable of running the game smoothly, or b)spent so much time mastering CS that you feel even the slightest changes (even if they're improvements by any other standards) might jeapordize your dominance. It's like the people who still play Starcraft because "no other game is as balanced" or "SC is as perfect as RTS games are ever going to get." In reality they either can't run newer RTSes or they don't want to abandon the years they spent getting good at SC.

EDIT: I should probably add that I'm playing more and more TF2 and less and less of CS:S.

 

[Kikosemmek]

I used to play CS:S religiously for a period of a few months and let me tell you: I've never met one likable person in that game at all. Every player around me was a hooting, aggressive, overcharged moron. This does a lot to ruin a game which is all about online multiplayer.

I liked Source; I got used to the weapons quickly and in no time started getting head-shots and whatnot, but the people, they were such douchebags that I couldn't go on playing. I started noticing a certain pessimism and hostility in me every time I started up CS:S, and it was because of the community that played that game. I'm not sure how 1.6 was like, but I quickly dumped CS:S for other games, where the players are more civil and have a larger vocabulary than what comprises a short list of slurs and curses. A game shouldn't be remembered for these details, but this is the most memorable thing about CS:S, I'm afraid.

CS:S is fine, if you ask me. I liked it better than 1.6, but it couldn't be a great game because I like a decent bunch to play with. Granted, most games have assholes playing them, but I never meet ones of the calibre I met on CS:S; I mean, why did _everyone_ have a need to prove and yell that everyone around them was gay and a noob? Pop into a game of TF2, start using voice chat to help your teammates out, and you'll see that cooperation goes a long way.

 

[meatloaf231]

I used to play CS competitively, but when Half-Life 2 came out I and my clan switched to CS:S and haven't regretted it once. Sure I've heard the arguments about the hitboxes and the recoil patterns and all that stuff but, after going back and playing 1.6 I'm convinced it's all bollocks. People that say CS:S is trash (read: you) either a)don't have a computer capable of running the game smoothly, or b)spent so much time mastering CS that you feel even the slightest changes (even if they're improvements by any other standards) might jeapordize your dominance. It's like the people who still play Starcraft because "no other game is as balanced" or "SC is as perfect as RTS games are ever going to get." In reality they either can't run newer RTSes or they don't want to abandon the years they spent getting good at SC.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

 

[Theo Samaritan]

You know when i looked at this topic I thought someone had bumped it from years ago. Didn't this argument die out in 04?

 

[derpa]

I used to play CS competitively, but when Half-Life 2 came out I and my clan switched to CS:S and haven't regretted it once. Sure I've heard the arguments about the hitboxes and the recoil patterns and all that stuff but, after going back and playing 1.6 I'm convinced it's all bollocks. People that say CS:S is trash (read: you) either a)don't have a computer capable of running the game smoothly, or b)spent so much time mastering CS that you feel even the slightest changes (even if they're improvements by any other standards) might jeapordize your dominance. It's like the people who still play Starcraft because "no other game is as balanced" or "SC is as perfect as RTS games are ever going to get." In reality they either can't run newer RTSes or they don't want to abandon the years they spent getting good at SC.

Yes that must be it, their computer can't run it or they were to good at 1.6.

Don't try and lump everyone who doesn't like it into the groups you want too.

I can run it and am pretty good at it, yet I still think the game is trash compared to 1.6 (fyi I don't play CS anymore the community blows and so does the gameplay these days)

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

The Kevlar is a joke, it's only purpose is that if you are in a firefight, you will come out victorious with "1" HP.

As to which I like better, call me crazy but I hardly notice the difference except that source has some amazing mods for it, so I play source.

 

[countrysteaksauce]

IF they fixed the netcode on source, then source would obviously be better.
But since they won't I go with 1.6.

 

[The Denzel]

Hit reg in source is questionable... oh and the worst for me was 108 damage in 14 shots with glock. These were mostly through a ladder which counts as a crappy wall. Madness.