Poll: Darth Vader vs Voldemort vs Sauron
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i love how accurate this poll is, it's only being skewed by the harry potter fans. if it weren't for that it'd look a little more accurate. either sauron or vader would go up to voldemort and flick him like a bug. but most likely the teamed up to flick him so they could enjoy fighting each other properly.
then it'd be an epic struggle between the dark lord of the sith and the dark lord of mordor. unfortunately for vader, the sith club is short a couple thousand members, it's just him and grandpa emerpor. saurons got 9 nazghuls with cursed swords (can we see a lightsaber nazghul blade fight? for our entertainment, sure let's have it!) and now vader seems out numbdered. on top of that sauron's got armies of orcs, armies of men from the west, shit you haven't seen! luckily for vader, the empire's army can destroy everything sauron has known in his long memory of middle earth several way; death star, duh, full scale storm trooper invasion (they're blasters can handle trolls right?), or simply getting a good night's rest the night before the battle so he can wipe the floor with suaron's army with the force like 300 but with one darth vader.
fuck voldmort's army of wizards, they'd have to deal with storm troopers and if they handle them say hello to tie bombers. sauron wouldn't even waste the orc power, he'd tell those silly wizards to go back to writing fan fictions as he laughs at their silly robes. then every ticked off wizard would come at him and sudden sauron opens a can of unkillable whoop ass
it's a pretty even fight between sauron and vader, so it all comes down to 4th features. lord of the rings books were great and peter jackson did a spectular job with the movies, that's a point to sauron. uh oh, thank's to george lucas, vader is left burning on mustafar with 3 absolutely terrible movies and a mountain of merchandise higher than mt. doom.
vader looses this one, and in defeat he cries
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
then it'd be an epic struggle between the dark lord of the sith and the dark lord of mordor. unfortunately for vader, the sith club is short a couple thousand members, it's just him and grandpa emerpor. saurons got 9 nazghuls with cursed swords (can we see a lightsaber nazghul blade fight? for our entertainment, sure let's have it!) and now vader seems out numbdered. on top of that sauron's got armies of orcs, armies of men from the west, shit you haven't seen! luckily for vader, the empire's army can destroy everything sauron has known in his long memory of middle earth several way; death star, duh, full scale storm trooper invasion (they're blasters can handle trolls right?), or simply getting a good night's rest the night before the battle so he can wipe the floor with suaron's army with the force like 300 but with one darth vader.
fuck voldmort's army of wizards, they'd have to deal with storm troopers and if they handle them say hello to tie bombers. sauron wouldn't even waste the orc power, he'd tell those silly wizards to go back to writing fan fictions as he laughs at their silly robes. then every ticked off wizard would come at him and sudden sauron opens a can of unkillable whoop ass
it's a pretty even fight between sauron and vader, so it all comes down to 4th features. lord of the rings books were great and peter jackson did a spectular job with the movies, that's a point to sauron. uh oh, thank's to george lucas, vader is left burning on mustafar with 3 absolutely terrible movies and a mountain of merchandise higher than mt. doom.
vader looses this one, and in defeat he cries
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Gonna go with Vader simply because he could explode whatever planet the other two guys were fighting on. No phylactery is gonna help you come back from that.
This guy was pretty fair, I think.KaiusCormere said:
One thing to keep in mind though. The Death Eaters wouldn't fight as much as they would infiltrate and seize control. Think about it: They can make themselves invisible, they can obliterate memory, they can use curses to control the minds of others, apparate anywhere they please, etc. Sure, this would all take time (even just against muggles), but what exactly would Vader's fleet have to attack? Its not like the death eaters have a hidden rebel base.
But give it a month of fruitless search across the galaxy for death eaters, and then all of a sudden Vader is surrounded by a whole cadre of death eaters, and all of his ships have been hijacked, and all the commanding officers imperiused. Then its a unfair fight to the death against Voldemort and his lackeys. I think that Vader could win, so long as he isn't hit by Avada Kedavra. And as long as repel charms don't work against light sabers.
Yeah I'm going to go with the Dark Lord of the Sith here.
First of these are Dark Lord's we're talking about, you're not going to get them brawling it out in a dark lord to dark lord free for all. They'll work from the shadows and only emerge to crush their opponent when victory is assured.
So going from that, two of the contestants have their fates tied to Magic McGuffins which if exploited can lead to their demise. One of the contestants has precognitive abilities. So yeah, Vader can go the Dumbledore/Potter and Frodo/Sam route to exploit their weaknesses and take the victory.
Also, Potter fans seem to be over-exaggerating Voldermorts invincibility. The books don't really go into detail on exactly what that means, but we know when his killing curse got deflected back on him and he spent the next 10-15 years in a weakened spirit form, alone and near helpless. Even when he started to get help it was still a ***** to get himself resurrected and back in the fight. The way I would interpret this is that his forbidden magic is as much about making him more powerful as it is immortal. You should still be able to KO him with a death blow making him weak and helpless, then destroy him permanently by destroying his horcruxes.
First of these are Dark Lord's we're talking about, you're not going to get them brawling it out in a dark lord to dark lord free for all. They'll work from the shadows and only emerge to crush their opponent when victory is assured.
So going from that, two of the contestants have their fates tied to Magic McGuffins which if exploited can lead to their demise. One of the contestants has precognitive abilities. So yeah, Vader can go the Dumbledore/Potter and Frodo/Sam route to exploit their weaknesses and take the victory.
Also, Potter fans seem to be over-exaggerating Voldermorts invincibility. The books don't really go into detail on exactly what that means, but we know when his killing curse got deflected back on him and he spent the next 10-15 years in a weakened spirit form, alone and near helpless. Even when he started to get help it was still a ***** to get himself resurrected and back in the fight. The way I would interpret this is that his forbidden magic is as much about making him more powerful as it is immortal. You should still be able to KO him with a death blow making him weak and helpless, then destroy him permanently by destroying his horcruxes.
Vader would be disqualified since the prequels revealed him to be a massive pussy. Also he 'reformed' before he died. What self-respecting bad guy does that? Anyway, Tarkin was the real badass of the Star Wars saga. I know he only got one movie but he was also the only one to order the destruction of an entire fucking planet. Vader kills younglings. Tarkin blows up a fucking planet full of people like it ain't a thing. And not even for any reason other than because he could. He also ordered Vader around like a boss, possibly because Vader knew his lightsaber was no match for Tarkin's cheekbones.
Okay, sure. I'm game.
*Cracks knuckles*
Let's Akbar this thing.
My vote goes for Darth Vader. There are several reasons that I can think of, since this involves all resources from all sides. The first and foremost is that Voldemort and Sauron can't leave the planet, nor can any minion they have or any creature under their command. This advantage of space gives Vader the ultimate high ground from the start.
So, in ground/air battles, this whole thing is a bloody mess. You've got wizards having to dodge catapult fire and energy weapons alike. Expect to find Imperial Walkers being knocked over by the dozen, though, and even Tie Fighters and other air vehicles taking massive hits...until they see a Star Destroyer. Well, that's no problem, right? It's an object and can be turned into a rabbit, of course! Only...the ones in space are out of range and bombarding the planet. Okay, that's a problem.
Now, you have the problem of trying to take down dark magical forces which could actually support or control the planet if allowed to go unchecked, making anything short of the Death Star perhaps pointless. The Emperor says to fire, but Vader goes "Wait. I have a better idea." He goes to meet Sauron and Voldemort on the field of battle in personal combat. Once there, though, he uses his utmost command of the Force to wretch the wand and One Ring from Voldemort and Sauron regardless of whatever resistance they can offer, even if he has to snap their fingers off.
"You don't know the power of the Dark Side, despite your many years inundated by it."
Sauron crumbles to dust without the One Ring and Voldemort is not as powerful without an actual wand. Since he is immortal, he won't mind being tractor beamed into space to be examined by the Empire, along with Sauron's ring and his wand. And if some kid with a scar on his forehead comes by, he ignores him. Let the Emperor decide their fate.
*Cracks knuckles*
Let's Akbar this thing.
My vote goes for Darth Vader. There are several reasons that I can think of, since this involves all resources from all sides. The first and foremost is that Voldemort and Sauron can't leave the planet, nor can any minion they have or any creature under their command. This advantage of space gives Vader the ultimate high ground from the start.
So, in ground/air battles, this whole thing is a bloody mess. You've got wizards having to dodge catapult fire and energy weapons alike. Expect to find Imperial Walkers being knocked over by the dozen, though, and even Tie Fighters and other air vehicles taking massive hits...until they see a Star Destroyer. Well, that's no problem, right? It's an object and can be turned into a rabbit, of course! Only...the ones in space are out of range and bombarding the planet. Okay, that's a problem.
Now, you have the problem of trying to take down dark magical forces which could actually support or control the planet if allowed to go unchecked, making anything short of the Death Star perhaps pointless. The Emperor says to fire, but Vader goes "Wait. I have a better idea." He goes to meet Sauron and Voldemort on the field of battle in personal combat. Once there, though, he uses his utmost command of the Force to wretch the wand and One Ring from Voldemort and Sauron regardless of whatever resistance they can offer, even if he has to snap their fingers off.
"You don't know the power of the Dark Side, despite your many years inundated by it."
Sauron crumbles to dust without the One Ring and Voldemort is not as powerful without an actual wand. Since he is immortal, he won't mind being tractor beamed into space to be examined by the Empire, along with Sauron's ring and his wand. And if some kid with a scar on his forehead comes by, he ignores him. Let the Emperor decide their fate.
I agree that Voldemort's/Sauron's invincibility is overstated, as they both went through lengthy resurrection processes. Assuming Vader fought against both and one, he'd have to have really, really, really good intel, else he wouldn't know anything about the Ring or Voldemort's horcruxes. Voldemort, for instance, never told even the Death Eaters closest to him that he had created horcruxes, and even if one were to assume he had made one like other dark wizards before him, there was no precedent in the wizarding world for making more than one. And Voldemort made 7, one of which even he didn't know about.RandV80 said:
Shields's mate, and lightsaber's have a hard time going through Beskar, let alone magically enhanced shields made by a demigod who's a master at the forge.sirtommygunn said:
But yeah, not even a real battle, Voldemort is practically useless as his "shade" self, and wouldn't be able to regain his mortal form again, so kill him and it's just a hunt for some odd trinkets. Vader is awesome, but due to his robotic attachment, he is no longer quite as agile as he used to be, he could probably take voldermort, due to force choke, so that puts him in second. Sauron, on the other hand, is a Maia, which makes him a fallen angel that dabbles in necromancy. He also has magically forged weapons and armor and is unmatched in sheer strength, the armor being practically impenetrable offsets the loss of agility. So Sauron uses his power and weapons to squash the other two and wins.
Army wise, and I'm not counting the Death Star, because both Voldemort and Sauron have mind control abilities to turn that 1hko on the planet to a 1hko on your way out and a nice fireball in the sky after it self-destructs. Sauron's army of orcs, trolls, half trolls, corrupted men, mumakil, and the Nazgul, who cause massive fear where ever they roam. Vader has an army of flash trained clones that have a hard time hitting the broad side of a barn, the weapons cause critical burns, which is good verses Voldemort's army, but Sauron's is wearing armor (the armor would protect them at long range, or keep them from dying, but by the time they get into close quarters and can kill, they are screwed) or has thick hides. Voldemort's army is small, and would be overrun by numbers, there's also the fact we don't know how the spell's react to plastoid or rusted steel armor, but that's just a detail.
Sauron.
Even if he't not at his peak, he can never, ever die. And if he's at his peak with an army at its peak, he has an army of orcs, an army of Uruk-hai, Nazgul, felbeasts, nearly the entire world of men, pretty much every evil being living or dead, and god damned oliphants.
Even if he't not at his peak, he can never, ever die. And if he's at his peak with an army at its peak, he has an army of orcs, an army of Uruk-hai, Nazgul, felbeasts, nearly the entire world of men, pretty much every evil being living or dead, and god damned oliphants.
False. Witches and Wizards can leave earth, and there are accounts of them doing so. One account has a witch traveling to her moon on a broomstick. All they would need is to get one death eater into the hanger of a Star Destroyer, and then they can just apparate back and forth from Earth.FalloutJack said:
Mind, Vader would be most secure in a victory if he would just destroy Earth with the Death Star.
How he would get to Middle-Earth is a completely different story, though.
Must've either missed that or forgotten, 'cause I did read the books. I guess that means the Empire WOULD take space losses then. Not enough, of course. There's like a thousand Storm Troopers for every man, woman, and child on Earth, I think. I think the rest of my post holds true.Imperiused said:
I should also point out that voldemort is capable of wandless magic, so knocking his wand out of his hand won't offer much of an advantage to anyone.spells can also be performed non-verbally, so force-choking him won't inhibit his magical abilities at all.