Poll: Disney
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their traditional movies (which havnt had a hit in years...well perhaps if you coutn tangles, and ambye princess and the frog)FuktLogik said:
are based on the Idea of the "broadway" musical..so its pretty much traditional fairy tales with song which usually =awsome
you can probably apreciate the apeal of the broadway musical more if you actually see one, in my case Wicked...was amazing epic and emotional...it was breathtaking, and somtimes that effect is found even in disney movies
best songs (persoanlly):
Hellfire
part of your world
circle of life
make a man out of you and many more...
?....no they arnt dubbed, american animation is recorded THEN animatedLlil said:
also I detest the Idea of "just" childrens movies
I'm the same. I love musicals (though all that acting and plot just get in the way) and sadly Disney is probably the only company that can get away with making them nowadays. I just wish they'd stick with hand-drawn animation as I prefer it over CGI (yes even Pixar).riverand said:
I thought Princess & the Frog had some decent tracks.Casual Shinji said:
Seeing how they have been doing that since the olden days which is acceptable back then and it is still acceptable now. Beside excluding Disnesy who else does a muscial numbers (well beside My Littlke Pony:FiM)? It fine for them to do it since it not like every single film or tv show will all become musicals.
Disney is that embarassasingly camp and overpaid babysitter you'd call over to sit your kids while you're away.
Post 2004, the babysitter became a big fat cigar-smoking corrupt corporate executive that runs on money parasitically bled from obnoxiously overexposed no-talent teenage "popstars" ripped straight from YouTube.
What happened to the traditions of old? Innocent adventures of good vs evil?
OH WAIT. It was lost in the mail! *throws on a mad hat* HAHAHAHA!
Post 2004, the babysitter became a big fat cigar-smoking corrupt corporate executive that runs on money parasitically bled from obnoxiously overexposed no-talent teenage "popstars" ripped straight from YouTube.
What happened to the traditions of old? Innocent adventures of good vs evil?
OH WAIT. It was lost in the mail! *throws on a mad hat* HAHAHAHA!
Your Poll seems somewhat biased. Anyway, I like Disney and they're singing, so keep up the work, I'd hardly call it repetition.
As a psychotic game critic once said, there's a difference between "kiddie" and "fun for all the family," most disney classics being the latter. Watching Hunchback of Notre dame a decade after seeing it as a child, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeHorror] I thought "Murder, bigotry, perverse sexual lust, Frollo's general creepiness, how did they get away with this?" (Not that I'm complaining)
Professor Ratigan's (great Mouse detective) Villainous Breakdown [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainousBreakdown] seemed a little dark/Nighmare fuel-y [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NightmareFuel] to be aimed at the very young. Then there's Gothel, (Tangled) whose ability to blend with shadows and moments of facial creepiness would no doubt have cost me sleep [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HighOctaneNightmareFuel] when I was younger.
Then again "scary" being subjective, I suppose a tiny, non-biting spider may be more threatening to some than, say, the entirety of Nightmare before Christmas. (You may have noticed blue text, Disney is generally stuffed with tropes, I find)
EDIT: (forgot to put this in context) Music for some reason seems to mean "this cannot be taken seriously" for some, like if Saw had a song about making the most of one's life in place of everyone fucking up their tests and dying... maybe I'm responding to the wrong thing here? I think the point of the musical bits is to keep the audience's attention, I tried skipping over every song in a disney movie once and it was a tad dull.
Professor Ratigan's (great Mouse detective) Villainous Breakdown [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainousBreakdown] seemed a little dark/Nighmare fuel-y [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NightmareFuel] to be aimed at the very young. Then there's Gothel, (Tangled) whose ability to blend with shadows and moments of facial creepiness would no doubt have cost me sleep [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HighOctaneNightmareFuel] when I was younger.
Then again "scary" being subjective, I suppose a tiny, non-biting spider may be more threatening to some than, say, the entirety of Nightmare before Christmas. (You may have noticed blue text, Disney is generally stuffed with tropes, I find)
EDIT: (forgot to put this in context) Music for some reason seems to mean "this cannot be taken seriously" for some, like if Saw had a song about making the most of one's life in place of everyone fucking up their tests and dying... maybe I'm responding to the wrong thing here? I think the point of the musical bits is to keep the audience's attention, I tried skipping over every song in a disney movie once and it was a tad dull.
That "crazy world where people don't think it the least bit odd when someone breaks into song and dance for no apparent reason" is called a "musical," and it's a perfectly legitimate form of storytelling. Some of the greatest stories ever told have been told through it (read: Les Freaking Miserables).
Here's the deal; artistic representations of something never need to be exactly accurate, fully realistic representations. Take a look at some video game battle systems, like turn-based battle systems or the ingenius Puzzle Quest. Realistic? No. But creative and effective at what they do? Unquestionably. Music is extremely capable of communicating not only character or plot development, but doing so while uniquely controlling the mood and feel of the story and/or character. Again, if you haven't seen an example of this that you see as inseparable from the music, see Les Miserables sometime, the musical. The songless film adaptations simply aren't as good, because the music is the heart and soul of that performance (though it also helps that the story is absolutely incredible).
Disney has produced some of the best in musical film, and that is nothing to scoff at them for. It works, it's awesome, it gave us some of the best animated films of all time (The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, The Great Mouse Detective). That's that.
Here's the deal; artistic representations of something never need to be exactly accurate, fully realistic representations. Take a look at some video game battle systems, like turn-based battle systems or the ingenius Puzzle Quest. Realistic? No. But creative and effective at what they do? Unquestionably. Music is extremely capable of communicating not only character or plot development, but doing so while uniquely controlling the mood and feel of the story and/or character. Again, if you haven't seen an example of this that you see as inseparable from the music, see Les Miserables sometime, the musical. The songless film adaptations simply aren't as good, because the music is the heart and soul of that performance (though it also helps that the story is absolutely incredible).
Disney has produced some of the best in musical film, and that is nothing to scoff at them for. It works, it's awesome, it gave us some of the best animated films of all time (The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, The Great Mouse Detective). That's that.
As someone else pointed out, Disney's typical format for their animated films are essentially animated musicals. And in musicals, breaking out into song IS perfectly normal. It's how they tell the story, and Disney does a damn fine job of using songs to tell stories. Think about the first song in Beauty and the Beast.FuktLogik said:
See what they did there? They set the scene, introduced almost all of the main characters, explained the motivations of the characters, explained where Belle fits in, and set up the primary relationships and conflicts. All in five minutes. And not only that, they got all that across in an entertaining and engaging way. As Extra Credits has said time and again, people retain more when they are engaged as the absorb information. So not only does the song cause people to pay attention more, but they also remember more of it later. If not for the song, that introduction would have just been a succession of beatings with the expository dialog stick as they use plain conversation to explain who everyone is and what's going on.
And now, thinking about all that, look at the reprise of that song a little later.
They are communicating some abstract stuff there, compared to any of their other films. Ariel wants legs, Aladdin wants Jasmine, Snow White wants a prince, Pinocchio wants to be a real boy. Those are all very tangible things that are easy to explain. But Belle wants exotic experiences, adventure, and a change of pace from that typical life everyone else leads. She wants to see great things and experience all life has to offer. That's a little harder to explain. But, in that song, they perfectly encapsulate the emotion of what she's feeling. And if the words don't get all of that across verbally, then the triumphant roar of the music combined with the beautiful image of the vast forest fading into the distance will.
As for Monty Python, the thing about cutting someone off is a satire of musicals. If not for musicals, that satire wouldn't exist, and nor would it be funny. Like it or not, musicals are a very old a time-honored way of telling stories. And Disney has essentially revolutionized them by not only adapting them to animated film, but also keeping those wonderful elements of communicating story and character nuances in a neatly-wrapped song that makes musicals such a unique form of storytelling.
It may surprise you to know, then, that John Lasseter (PIXAR head honcho, turned Disney animation head honcho) is the brains behind saving hand-drawn animation in Disney! Before he took over all of animation they were making big moves to be computer only! (Mr Lasseter is one of my heroes!).Plinglebob said:
Wasn't that the point? Disney is all like innocent-happy-go-lucky good-guys-win look-on-the-bright-side-of-things friendship-and-family-to-share-the-good-times random-spontaneity craziness. So, you know, breaking into random song and dance isn't that out of place.FuktLogik said:
This would be pretty funny though =DFuktLogik said:
Well some people enjoy musicals and I would rather shove icepicks in my ears, so I prefer to watch their things on DVD just so I can fast forward the unwanted parts.
