Not a simple question, complicated answer. Dogs feel bonds of attachment yes, but not "love" as we would define it. They are genetically pre-programmed to do all those things that pull at your heartstrings thanks to their pack origin and man kind's selection and while that might elicit love from us it doesn't mean the feelings are the same for them.Rossco64 said:Simple question do you think dogs feel love? While some may argue that we as humans mistake loyalty and obidience in a dog as love, dogs have been known to sink into depression after losing their owner or even another dog. So my vote says "yes"
Every animal is self aware.cookyy2k said:No, since dogs are not self aware (proven) they don't have a concept of self so a concept of love is really stretching it.
citation plscookyy2k said:No, since dogs are not self aware (proven) they don't have a concept of self so a concept of love is really stretching it.
You could also argue that we are also pre-programmed to do and feel all those things as well in order to form a lasting bond with our mate to raise children and to form a loyal groups. The arguement works both ways; we are just as mammalian as a dog is, so who's to say our emotions are any different?Ghengis John said:Not a simple question, complicated answer. Dogs feel bonds of attachment yes, but not "love" as we would define it. They are genetically pre-programmed to do all those things that pull at your heartstrings thanks to their pack origin and man kind's selection and while that might elicit love from us it doesn't mean the feelings are the same for them.Rossco64 said:Simple question do you think dogs feel love? While some may argue that we as humans mistake loyalty and obidience in a dog as love, dogs have been known to sink into depression after losing their owner or even another dog. So my vote says "yes"
Linking to the story so others can read it and cry: Hachiko [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachik%C5%8D]Use_Imagination_here said:Remember that story of that one dog in japan that followed walked home with his owner from the train station every day when he came home from work, and kept coming to the train station after his owner died even escaping from the family that adopted him? I'd say yes.
Wrong, self awareness is awareness of your own individuality, not that you're alive.Jabberwock xeno said:Every animal is self aware.cookyy2k said:No, since dogs are not self aware (proven) they don't have a concept of self so a concept of love is really stretching it.
Why do they feel pain, or want food? They are aware of their own esitence.
You confuse sentience (conciouness) and sapience. It's a common misconception.
One of those movies wouldn't happen to be Homeward Bound would it? Cause I saw a clip of earlier which inspired the topic.Lerasai said:Linking to the story so others can read it and cry: Hachiko [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachik%C5%8D]Use_Imagination_here said:Remember that story of that one dog in japan that followed walked home with his owner from the train station every day when he came home from work, and kept coming to the train station after his owner died even escaping from the family that adopted him? I'd say yes.
So, yeah, I do believe they can. Whether that is due to stories like this one or a childhood of Disney movies is up to debate, but either way I will be a sentimental idiot until the day I die.
Let me ask you how you select a mate. Do you not get to know them, do they not have to impress you in some way, to attract and maintain your interest? To find things you have in common? Do you not look for desirable qualities? A dog does none of these things when it binds itself to a human. It is simply looking for someone to follow, someone stronger than itself to fall in line behind. It has no requirement other than a provider. Beyond that it would follow anyone, whether they pampered it or beat it every day. You can say that there are humans who trap themselves in abusive relationships ("like a whipped dog" they say), but on some level, at some point they choose. A dog never does. I definitely think that a dog can feel happy, or sad. And some masters make their animals happy and some make them sad, but there's an unshakable conceptual construct for a dog not of "love" but of "master". A dog's "love" isn't earned. So I have trouble looking at it as the same as a human's.Bassik said:You could also argue that we are also pre-programmed to do and feel all those things as well in order to form a lasting bond with our mate to raise children and to form a loyal groups.
Well you are projecting human emotions onto animals. The most disturbing thing about people attributing their dog with love however is that all a dog is offering you is subservience. Is that what love is to some people? I'd like to think it's more than that. It can not offer you understanding for instance. It has no understanding to give. A dog doesn't know you by anything other than smell or the sound of your voice. It could never say, "Oh look, a bird, bassik loves birds I better show him this bird." So no. Do I think they feel a crushing desire to be near you at all times? Yeah. Is that love? For me, personally no. That's all.Affcorse, our friends the psycho-analists will call me antropomorphic or some BS psycho-babble, wich is why I did not become a pshyciatrist.