Poll: Do PC gamers have an image problem?

kingthrall

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Tom_green_day said:
I'm a console gamer as well but one who doesn't particularly thing consoles are superior. I just prefer to use a computer AND game simultaneously. Therefore I consider myself in a someone neutral position when I say that when PC gamers talk about consoles, they tend to do so in a negative way as though they are inferior. I know this isn't the case for all, as I assume that those who don't mind consoles aren't vocal about it.
The remedy? I don't think there is ome. People will always attack those they feel are inferior, since as you say the Escapist is more populated for PC gamers, people on this website don't attack PC gamers as much.
I googled Console players are and this came up in the autofill

-Stupid
-Idiots
-Not real gamers
-(not so nice word for disabled people lol)

Its just all the memes and streamlined stuff that makes the search engine come up with this kind of rubbish.
Anyway ive yet to see any decent console games that were worth me investing in. tekken and street fighter are the only games I liked on console and its really not worth getting it over that.

I always loved sega megadrve though, toejam and earl and all those great games :D
 

Zeke63

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i mean pc is just a better deal... it makes me sad some of my bras gonna get a ps4 or 720 its just a collassal waste of monye. no steam sales, weaker specs etc. I mean lol my mac book from 2010 is still running games really well infinite and tomb raider run seamlessly
 

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Wintermute said:
itsthesheppy said:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tYwZr97r8Os/ULRbUnlD_sI/AAAAAAAAC-w/KRAoIcCL-gw/s1600/pc+gaming+master+race.jpg

Since when does the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race give a shit about what the dimwitted, unwashed console plebs think?

Who cares about image? It's all about them megs, man. Them gigs. Do you have adequate hertz? How many pixels? My mouse has 17 buttons on it. My keyboard glows. That's all that matters.

My intake and exhaust fans are illuminated. If you have a problem with that image, it's only because the radiance has blinded you.
HAHAHAHA that's fucking hilarious, great painting. It's a shame you got warned for this.

Anyway, back on topic... from my experience online, gamers in general have an image problem, but every PC gamer I know personally has nothing against consoles or mobile or anything, it must be a "angry internet men" thing. My only platform is PC because it's been a part of my house since I was a kid, and also because consoles and console games are ridiculously expensive in my part of the world, so I work with what I have.
Yeah, I'm not sure why I got warned. The moderation on this board is strange. I've outright insulted and publicly demeaned folks before, gone into threads and essentially denigrated the very existence of the thread, and been fine. I come into this one and I'm like "Oh, neat, an opportunity to post that funny picture and goof around about PC gamers" and BAM, warning.
 

DrunkOnEstus

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PoolCleaningRobot said:
Snippity snip
I think I may have quoted the wrong person initially, regardless it worked out okay. I should start by pointing out that the Nvidia chip in your laptop, even if it's the same series as its desktop counterpart, is going to be the lesser M series chip. It more than likely has less shader abilities, and probably has lower clock speeds/will downclock to prevent overheating and damage. On the HDTV, I play at 1920x1080. My TV (a Visio) hates 1280x720, and will upscale it and make it look like ass if I try. I put my computer sideways on my entertainment center, flanked on both sides by a 360 and a PS3. I have a wide behind-the-couch style table in front of the entertainment center with the keyboard and mouse on it. All the computing, including work and chatting with you guys, is done this way in my living room, right when you walk in the door. I just have the cleartype font at 125% scale (150% doesn't gel with 1080p). I don't get headaches or anything, and it's a joy to fix customer's computers remotely this way. Even if I got a monitor, I don't know that I'd let go of being able to have my office in my living room. When I want to sit on the couch, all I have to do is switch the video input and it's all good.

If I may suggest the seemingly dangerous way I pulled this off, most of the parts came from Ebay, and I've been doing it that way since I built an Athlon XP Nforce chipset computer years ago. If you only bid on items in unopened boxes, you have 2 means to cover your ass if something's broke. You can file a claim with Paypal and get your money back from the seller, or (because you're the one who opened the box) you are covered under warranty and can get a replacement through the manufacturer. The only problem I've ever had is that I had to replace the thermal compound on this GTX 465 after a few months because it was hitting 80c load (which isn't really too hot to play, I just don't like it).

While I understand that elitism is everywhere (I play Dark Souls, on my PC...holy shit plebs!), if I considered myself some kind of PC ambassador, I get much more joy out out of making the PC seem less expensive and intimidating than it really is. If you isolate and scare people away, that's less people that end up choosing the platform, which is a lower attachment rate for publishers to decide to bank on. I'd say the worst thing that happened here was that people decided to take Yahtzee's "master race" joke out of context and wear it as a badge of honor. It has multiple, horrible connotations and makes others want no part of it.

About your laptop again, I'd suggest reading up on tweakguides about your Nvidia driver utility. Some games might be using the Intel imbedded video chipset, or a setting or two might be bringing the frames down with little to no benefit. He's also got a nice BIOS guide, you might want to raise the amount of system RAM that the video chip is borrowing if that's too low (512 at a bare minimum if you can). You might also be served well by replacing a 1GB or 2GB stick with a 4GB, and raising your Windows paging file to 1.5-2x the amount of your system RAM, as that paging file in combination with the Nvidia chip is liable to leave you with too low an amount of system RAM to handle its business. All your parts are in synergy, and too little of one can be enough of a bottleneck to disallow the other parts to shine and do their thing.

If you have any questions for me, I'm more than happy to help out and see you satisfied with your gameplay. This is what I do for a living, I live and breathe it, and it's impossible to bother me. At the worst I'm just happy to have someone to talk to.
 

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Lieutenant PC Gaming Elitist reporting for duty-...

Oh... this doesn't seem to be my sort of thread. I mean, people reaching compromises and acknowledging that both PCs and Consoles have their own merits? Pesh, where's all the douchebag elitism got to?
 

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DrunkOnEstus said:
PoolCleaningRobot said:
Snippity snip
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Lol. I actually screen snipped your advice to play with later. I too, work in tech support but its part of a work program at my college so I'm guess I'm what you'd call a junior techy cause my only training comes from helping people with their computers for the last 2ish years and talking with my bosses about computer stuff. Your advice is all true but a point I was trying to make with my original post is that unless you have a heavy end gaming pc, most people are either going to run games at medium settings on a pre-build or spend time a bunch of time build one for cheaps or tweak the shit out of what they got (the boat I'm in). I just don't like people who hop online and say "Buy any pc and you won't have any problems and it'll be better than a console!"

I'm a busy college student at this time of my life and I don't have time play around for just any game. Of course, there are games I'm more than willing to make the time for but for the average AAA title I'd rather just plug and play in a console. Hell, I'm even getting too lazy for that and I've only been playing games I've downloaded on my Vita. I still live at home (pity me) so I don't have man-cave to work with either but I know I'll eventually have more free time and I'll totally get into this
 

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While some of what you say about SOME PC gamers is true (it's certainly not all) the same can be said about all people that stick to or prefer one platform over another, there are just as many arrogant Xbox, PS3, Wii etc...users out there too.

Mainly the reason they act like this is because they are trying to justify their purchase, and when the other system ends up doing something just as good or better, it causes some people to feel inferior about it. So to make themselves feel better they try to "put down" the other platforms and the people that like them more.

I myself am a PlayStation guy, so naturally I think the PS3 is better, but that does that mean that it really is. It's better for me, it's ok for someone else to like the 360 better or the PC better or the Wii U, that's their opinion and that's what works for them. I will never tell anyone that what I like is right and what they like is wrong.

Also to be perfectly honest, I think PC gamers tend to over exaggerate things, especially graphics. I have played plenty of games on both PC and consoles and I did not see much of a difference.
 

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I really don't get why we need to separate console from PC gamers.
It smacks me as an inmature and really pointless thing to do. specially as a community.
 

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I agree, more of a Gamer problem with image than just PC.

But I think there is something to be said for PCers (like myself) being a little elitist - and I don't quite see what the problem is.

A console is basically just a stripped-down computer designed only for playing games, as opposed to being able to do tons of asks including games. Sure they now have web browsers and media players, but those pale in comparison to their PC comparisons.

If they just started merging the two, I think that would be the best solution. The console only really offers three things.

1) Controller-based input that differs from mouse/keyboard. Though not always in a good way.
2) Way cheaper than a good computer.
3) Consistency in hardware. Everyone's console is the same. This is important for multiplayer gaming, since it prevents money from hindering your gaming capability.

Why can't we just make a "PC-Console hybrid" that allows controllers AND mouse/keyboard, and comes with decent hardware to put everyone on the same level? Is that REALLY such a far-fetched idea?
 

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WOT, GRUBBY CONSOLE GAMERS, TARNISHING MY VIDJAGAMS?

But seriously, eh, I'd say it depends on the individual.
 

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Any sort of fanboyism is annoying and it's not exclusive to PC gamers. It is just seen more often on the internet because well... you know the internet is accessed from a PC.
 

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Guitarmasterx7 said:
Oh and these "controllers" that are ergonomically designed to comfortably fit in your hands? Pff, how can one even play a game if not with one hand on a mouse and the other navigating around 40 keys sprawled out on a flat surface optimizing the amount of precision one could potentially have? Also PCs are more expensive, so if you don't have a good one you're probably just spiteful that you aren't as rich as they are.

God forbid someone wants to just sit down and play a videogame for fun. Maximizing efficiency and optimal graphics are the heart and soul of every recreational activity.
My PC has a 360 controller and a HDMI out attached. Price, exclusives and ease of use are the only advantages consoles have over it. That annoying feeling when people lord their PCs over you? That's the feeling I get when people hold up the couch and controller as advantages.
 

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Dryk said:
Guitarmasterx7 said:
Oh and these "controllers" that are ergonomically designed to comfortably fit in your hands? Pff, how can one even play a game if not with one hand on a mouse and the other navigating around 40 keys sprawled out on a flat surface optimizing the amount of precision one could potentially have? Also PCs are more expensive, so if you don't have a good one you're probably just spiteful that you aren't as rich as they are.

God forbid someone wants to just sit down and play a videogame for fun. Maximizing efficiency and optimal graphics are the heart and soul of every recreational activity.
My PC has a 360 controller and a HDMI out attached. Price, exclusives and ease of use are the only advantages consoles have over it. That annoying feeling when people lord their PCs over you? That's the feeling I get when people hold up the couch and controller as advantages.
I was saying if you just want to play a videogame, that negates any "advantage" that either one has or needs to have. I wasn't suggesting the PC can't do these things. I didn't even dare to suggest the PC and console were on the same level. I just suggested that they didn't need to be for someone to enjoy themselves. Good job getting defensive, Officer Case-In-Point.
 

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As much as I shouldn't condone anyone being a jerk or a snob, I can understand the anger a lot of PC gamers have towards console developers and their audiences. The PC has had a long, rich history of games that took full advantage of its own unique hardware. Games that have had a massive impact on video game history and, to this day, are still remembered fondly for all the things they have accomplished. Adventure, strategy, role-playing and all kinds of games of indescribable genre that just wouldn't have been feasible on 8 and 16-bit consoles with their simplistic 4-8 button gamepads and limited-storage cartridges.

The anger comes from the industry's decision to compromise the PC's unique advantages (interface, memory, storage and up-to-date graphics technology) by taking games that normally would be PC-native titles and developing them for consoles that lack them. And it's not just graphics and controls that suffer. The worlds have to be smaller to fit within limited hard disk storage, often segmented and stripped of content to fit memory limitations. These same issues also affect AI, character interactions, physics, environment triggers, and other elements that bring a game closer to being a living, breathing world as opposed to a prettied-up version of Dragon's Quest. It's especially troubling when it happens to an already established franchise that did do things the PC was uniquely capable of, only to have these elements stripped away from the once eager player. (ex: Deus Ex: Invisible War, the F.E.A.R. sequels)

The Elder Scrolls is a good example of a series that has no business being on consoles. Why would you want to make Skyrim for XBox 360 or PS3? You could do so much more with such a game by making it PC-native. Sure, it wouldn't make as much money, but it would age a whole lot better.

So, as you can see, it's no surprise that PC gamers have become defensive in this day and age. Because their medium is rapidly becoming negatively affected by the current industry's multiplatform development models. And it's not just PC gamers who are upset. Console gamers are also being shafted by today's consoles' attempt to be more like PCs. Wasting development costs and hiking up prices only to make consoles more unstable and crippled further in terms of hardware (there's only so much you can spend on everything else before you have to make the "playing games" part use cheaper, more primitive technology with less memory and graphical capabilities).

We can put as much blame on the consumers for the "PC vs. Console" war as we want, but the real culprits are the publishers and developers who compromise the platforms they claim to faithfully support.
 

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vasiD said:
Andy Shandy said:
Daystar Clarion said:
My PC has red LED fans with 3 speed settings.

Fuck your consoles :D


Joking aside, I have consoles and a gaming PC.

Am I a hybrid that will bring about the end of days?


Long may the Multi-platform Master Race laugh at the poor single platform peasants :D

Honestly though, would it not just be so much easier if nobody gave a shit what other people played?

[sub]I think I hope for too much with that statement [/sub]
To me this group is too much money too little brains, and possibly too much time on their hands. I mean why would you PAY for a 360? Dear god why? More to the point when are you going to play all of those, I mean if you don't find yourself playing one system more than the others I would be baffled.

Being rich and stupid isn't something to be proud of. Now being poor and smart with the skill to forge your PC in to a gaming machine that transcends system labels, generations, and legality as though they were nothing, that's something to be proud of. I'd even say it's something to be proud of being poor and push the legal limits of your console to give yourself full access to it's features as you deem fit.

Buying a bunch of shit.
That's nothing to be proud of.

That said. Agreed, fuck everyone being so up in everyone else's business. I mean what is a man but a miserable pile of secrets anyway?
It must be hard being so judgemental. I own a gaming PC and every consoles besides a WiiU . I am not rich and I am not stupid. I got my consoles one at a time over the course of several years. Waited until there was a sale and I had saved the resources to buy them. Oh and my Wii was given to me. I wouldn't pay for one to save my life.

Owning every platform has advantages especially if you like a while array of platform exclusives.
 

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Well, many people consider a PC gamer to be a snob by default, so yes. If I get into a PC vs Console debate with my buddies or random people online I point out why I think PC is pretty much undeniably better (controls, pricing, variety, community, etc.) and I point out that I don't really see much consoles have over them. No talk of me being the superior gamer or that I'm somehow better because I choose PC but apparently I'm an elitist.
 

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In a large enough community, people would declare superiority for their choice of granary over wholemeal bread if they could. Some people are hateful shitheads regardless of the item that they claim superiority with.
 

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Within the gaming community, yeah, PC gamers have an image problem. When a lot of people think of PC gamers, they think of Valve humping, Steam-toting WoW nerds when we're just usually Steam-toting. The main problem is the idea of the PC master race with a small but very vocal portion of PC gamers spouting crap like, "Get back to your consoles you plebs!", "Unless you have a top of the line rig and can mod x-engine, then you aren't a gamer." or replying to every mac gaming thread with, "Here's your solution, get a PC." They represent the community (unfortunately) much in the same way that loud, annoying and impressively vulgar 12-year-olds dominate the public eye when talking about consoles.

The day that we learn that we love games and that's what brings us together is the day that we... get nuked I guess because it'll never happen. It'd be nice though.

Personally though, I play on consoles and my Mac, which I'm thinking of dual booting because Wine ports get annoying after a while. Consoles are better for some things (e.g. action games, racers) but PCs are better for others (e.g. shooters, strategy).