Poll: Do you deserve to live?

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Spinozaad

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N.b. I've done a quick search, and it came up empty. So I naturally assume this topic hasn't been done in the all too recent past. If I'm wrong, meh. Then I'm wrong. Close it, lock it, try to unsee it.

Hey folks, it's time for some more introspective bullshit! It is widely known and accepted, contrary to Tyler Durden's opinion, that we are all beautiful snowflakes composed of the same decaying matter. We are all unique, yet not unique in our uniqueness. Everybody is unique! And beautiful! Just like all life is deemed valuable. That's why a lot of people try to safe everything even remotely alive, ranging from starving Ethiopian kids to whales.

Yet, and this is important, let us assume for the sake of argument that life is only valuable if it means something more. One could say that the talented artist's life is more valuable, because he or she has a unique talent (or 'gift') that adds something to this world and society. The same goes for the scientist, although it can be argued that the scientists studying a duck's corkscrew penis [http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2009/12/22/kinkiness-beyond-kinky/] is less worthy of life than, let's say, the guy who brought us penicilline.

Of course, the same goes for the Straight A-student and the talented athlete. Whether it's the former who has the talent to become that scientist that kills AIDS dead, or the athlete whom we all worship as if (s)he's a Greek demi-god for kicking a ball, being able to jump really far or cycle around France with only one testicle.

So, what have you done for society, for humanity, for the world that does not involve leeching off valuable resources and wasting equally valuable time? You might think that 'making my parents happy' or 'getting an epic in WoW' qualifies, but... Is this really so? Sure, mom might be proud of her kid being able to kill pixels, but wouldn't she have been happier if her child would have been an Oscar/Pullitzer/Nobel Prize winner?

Just think about it. What have you done, or... if you're too young to make a difference whatsoever, might you be realistically able to do to legitimize your existence?

Yeah, think on that one for a change.

I myself? Other than being right in a lot of questions/dilemma's/problems revolving human nature and social behaviour, often involving other wonderfully unique snowflakes of decaying matter, have done nothing to deserve life.

And I'm too selfish to rid the world of my existence, and to clear up valuable resources for more talented folk to survive. For all I know I (and, you as well) might be the reason why a strapping, bright young lad in Ethopia is starving. A lad who might have, one day, cured cancer.

So. Let 'em rip, folks! And remember, be honest.
 

Mr Cwtchy

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No, not really. And I'm too much of a wuss to kill myself.

Plus I REALLY want to live to see The Hobbit, so...
 

Soulgaunt

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Probably not. There are people who have accomplished way more than me. Hell, I barely see myself accomplishing anything big...
 

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Soulgaunt said:
Probably not. There are people who have accomplished way more than me. Hell, I barely see myself accomplishing anything big...
Milky_Fresh said:
No. I'm only 17, but I don't really see myself achieving anything with my life. Buuuuuuuuut I've pulled a couple of my friends out of depression, I think that's justification enough. Maybe they'll do something.
Mr Cwtchy said:
No, not really. And I'm too much of a wuss to kill myself.

Plus I REALLY want to live to see The Hobbit, so...
Of course, to play the Devil's Advocate, pitiful mediocrity might be necessary. Without it, how could those enlightened demi-gods of human intelligence, endurance and talent take the shine in the spotlight?

Even the greatest of minds need... lesser beings to distinguish themselves truly.
 

The Hairminator

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Not by OPs definition, no. But if everyone who did not diserve to live in OPs eyes killed themselves, the world would be quite scarcely populated.

I am not yet a person who matter that much in the world, but having a job and being a consumer in a capitalistic system (think what you want about it, not to mention paying taxes) must surely be something at least, since I stimulate the market.
 

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Everything I do is important. Every action I take has a subtle effect on those people/things I interact with in some way, then this effect is arried through them to more people/things and so on and so forth until I have touched nearly everyone on the planet. So yes, I matter, without me, this world would not exist as it does today, and the same goes for everyone everywhere.

Don't you just love posters like me: taking what you say and posting something which is entirely true but which also incites a fundamental opposition from most who read it as they see it as a 'cheap way out'?

So yes, I believe i deserve to exist, simply because I am me and everything I do affects how everyone else will do things which will affect howI interact with the world ultimately resulting in the perpetuation of immenseley small yet consistent changes to the course of our future ... ... ... also, I'm fairly intelligent so I may be able to achieve something in the field of medicine or engineering which will have a direct impact on the lives of thousands ... or I may also waste millions of dollars of government research grants only to come to the conclusion that the purpose of my research is unnattainable given our current level of knowledge.
 

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As long as you people are not criminals, racists, terrorists or other evil things I think you should get to live. Your life is only not worth anything if your counter-productive towards humanity. Just like rich people are. =3
 

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If everyone alive was a genius working to benefit mankind then who would be doing all the jobs nobody wants?

You expect the scientist who figures out how to cure cancer to spend their free time being a dustbin man, or a cook or whatnot?

Not everyone is going to do something amazing, that doesn't mean they don't have a valid reason for living. Not everyone is capable of doing anything incredible, but most people can contribute to society in a meaningful way.

To go back to the dustbin man example: A crappy job with crappy pay, but they provide a valuable service do they not? Think for a second what it'd be like if nobody collected your bins, or emptied the ones from restaurants, shops and so on.

The same goes for all the other jobs most of us wouldn't really want to do, most of them contribute to society and that's enough to justify existence, it's not like we are all starving to death and we need to cut back on the population and are therefore deciding who os "worthy" of living.

As to answer the question: I am yet to do anything amazing, the chances are I won't anyway, not because I believe I am incapable but because science and math do no hold much interest to me as I have far more interest in writing and other such things.
 

Spinozaad

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The Hairminator said:
Is "not diserving to live" the same thing as "diserve to die"?
I'd say my topic is an inversion of the famous topic that goes like this:

"Imagine if you could colonize a planet, and you could only take ten persons to begin inhabiting it."

Most people select intelligent, beautiful and talented people. This is just a more... morbid... inversion. Because no, not deserving to live is not the same as deserving to die. Hell, I myself hardly deserve to live according to my own definition I proposed in the original post.

But do I deserve to die? Hardly. I might, by all accounts, be mediocre. But at least I'm still able to get all the resources that keeps me alive. Take that, possible Nobel prize winning starving Ethiopian child!
 

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No I don't! If I did I wouldn't allow myself to drink that much in the club and now I wouldn't be so hungover I beg for death.
 

Spinozaad

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Freezy_Breezy said:
Spinozaad said:
Of course, the same goes for the Straight A-student and the talented athlete. Whether it's the former who has the talent to become that scientist that kills AIDS dead, or the athlete whom we all worship as if (s)he's a Greek demi-god for kicking a ball, being able to jump really far or cycle around France with only one testicle.
Seriously, athletes will always beat nerdy A-students. Nerdy guys will just sit around studying, using all the mental stuff, but an athlete needs both mental and physical skills. The amount of mental preparation and effort that goes into training alone matches the kid reading some stupid textbook, and add to that all the physical skill he needs to just perform the actions in the sport mean that any athlete kicks the ass of a nerd in term of worthyness to live.

EDIT: Yeah this is my first post, hi everyone, I saw this topic next to the Zero Punctuation vid and had to say something in it, I know too many hipster semi-philosophers to let this go
There's truth in this, however... What if the athlete has contracted HIV/AIDS due to taking steroids through a contaminated needle?
 

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The Disk Thrower said:

You will be judged, is your life meaningful?
This is the first thing that I thought of when I read this thread. Doesn't help that i watched 3 seasons of the show AND that was one of them, only today.

Ot-The problem with the question for me personally, is that you are asking me while I am too young.
Because everything in my life is leading up to what happens in the future and what i might or might not become. It could be anything, the future is not in stone.

Generally, i try to make something of what i do while time passes and the lead up occurs. This includes guidance and helping others who need it. I have helped change peoples lives for the better and shown them a new light, while they were on the verge of depression/self harm.
Also, i have started up volunteer work and will be doing that soon.
 

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Spinozaad said:
[or cycle around France with only one testicle.
Always cracks me up when I hear that certain thing about this certain cyclist. I wonder if he only feels half the pain at the end of a long cycling day...


Spinozaad said:
[And I'm too selfish to rid the world of my existence, and to clear up valuable resources for more talented folk to survive. For all I know I might be the reason why a strapping, bright young lad in Ethopia is starving. A lad who might have, one day, cured cancer.
This, I'm not entirely sure if I deserve this life, yet. I have done nothing that adds up to the bigger picture, though I will once my education is done.


Spinozaad said:
[Let 'em rip!
[sub]Reference to a certain anime, no?[/sub]
 

Spinozaad

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Freezy_Breezy said:
Irrelevant. It's hardly easy to take steroids, and on top on that, what does illness have to do with legitimazation of existance?
Not much, good sir. Although I was trying to put your opinion on athletes being superior into perspective. I'm not denying that becoming a top athlete needs enormous mental discipline, but in the end... I do think that scientists are valued more. But that's just me. And I'm quite sure the HIV-infected athlete agrees. ;)

Freezy_Breezy said:
And this is the thing, existance doesn't need to be legitimized. Don't confuse "what people think of me" to "Is my existance worthy". Living is no selfish act, life is something done because it is given to us. It is a gift. You don't need to legitimize the socks given to you by granny at Christmas, why legitimize the life God gave you?
Well, it can be argued that God did not give us anything. Seeing as He might just not exist at all. But this is not the place for such a discussion.

Human opinion on others is everything in society. One's place in society needs to be affirmed and re-affirmed continously. We live in a society in which, with reason, almost all life is valued. However, how much value can be attached to life that does absolutely nothing but hogging resources so that more talented, 'better' people can be put at an disadvantage?

Exia91 said:
Always cracks me up when I hear that certain thing about this certain cyclist. I wonder if he only feels half the pain at the end of a long cycling day...
Don't we all, my friend. Don't we all. And no, not a reference to a certain anime, haha.
 

Beartrucci

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I often think of questions similar to this since I heard the opening lines of this song:
I'm only 15 so I can't really answer the question, I still have time to prove my worth. I dunno, there's a chance I could be a musician of some sort if I get my shit together, but other than that I'm just a regular joe.

I reckon being a musician would let me deserve to live, as people would enjoy listening to my work and see me perform, so I've contributed something to society?
 

Captain Pancake

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How about propogating the species? All this scientific advance would be in vain without a population to cater for. Even so, I'm still pretty useless at my age.
 

chiefohara

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Not really, I've done my bit to make life a little easier for people when i can... but otherwise... nope.

I take solace in the fact i don't go out of my way to make it worse for people though.
 

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Every human accomplishment is inevitable. The cure for cancer will never die in the mind of a starving third world child. You're really ascribing far too much importance to the individual.

I believe the unique experience of every single human being is worthy. Everything will fall by the wayside in time, our greatest accomplishments as a species not withstanding. So really, what's the difference?
 

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Freezy_Breezy said:
Seriously, athletes will always beat nerdy A-students. Nerdy guys will just sit around studying, using all the mental stuff, but an athlete needs both mental and physical skills. The amount of mental preparation and effort that goes into training alone matches the kid reading some stupid textbook, and add to that all the physical skill he needs to just perform the actions in the sport mean that any athlete kicks the ass of a nerd in term of worthyness to live.
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Well, there is a flip-side to what you say too. If we had to evacuate earth and could only take a certain number of people, would you continue with your opinion then? I'm sure having a bunch of knuckle-headed sports stars would hold you in perfect stead when trying to survive. I think you really need to think these things through better before you say things.