I'm definitely thinkin' yes. The timing and the overall political and economic state of the world, how many people are just pissed off and... well, crazy.
It'll probably happen.
It'll probably happen.
Poll: Do you think we'll see an assassination on a major political leader in our time?
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You're misusing the term "personal" to mean "intense feeling" as in western world personal issues do tend to be more intense than politics, but that's not definitive. That's just fortunate for us.Ryotknife said:
But the point is, personal grudges would be those who directly interact with Gadaffi, like if Gadaffi personally knew one guy and tried to kill him. But it wasn't a simple personal vendetta, his actions were against all the faceless impersonal rebels who he'd never met nor known personally. That's politics, large groups united by ideals not personal relationships.
A personal non-political killing would be him getting into a heated argument with his wife or someone who stood no chance of politically succeeding him, and them in a fit of rage over how he personally treated her, she shoots him or something.
Yeah, then there was that story of that poor old mustachioed man who was driven to suicide along with his girlfriend in some sort of bunker... oh what was his name? Hilters? Atler?zumbledum said:
Or that poor black man endlessly pursued through the jungles of Central Africa just for "taking" so many orphaned children. Jack Kony? John Kony? It was J-something Kony.
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Oh yeah, you might want to put that "[/sarc]" mark where you are being facetious and erroneous or people might make the mistaken belief you actually sympathise with that malicious gleefully mass murdering terrorists and are defending him and his evil cause with deception.
While all his close lieutenants wore suicide belts 24/7 and the SEALs learned quickly that trying to take them alive only leads to more people dying, finding him clothed and standing ON HIS FEET (not on his knees) you absolutely cannot take any chance except to shoot him immediately. They can't claim ignorance, they know when the SEALs come if they want to live they must strip naked to prove they don't have an incredibly lethal weapon of mass killing that they practically pioneered.
Consider that assassination still happen to this day (non political ones) it will probably happen again in some point. That is if the politic person had pissed someone off so much that will assassinate that person.
Kind of true, her assassination was the main thing that pushed certain stupid people to vote for her husband(other voters were bought and paid for and some were brainwashed. But this guy has also served jail time and he boasts about it. In fact most of the top members of the ruling Pakistan People's Party have spent time in jail and boast about it claiming it was "their sacrifice for democracy".Uber Evil said:People like that don't deserve to die. Maybe get ousted and kicked out the country, but killing them would not really solve anything.Arif_Sohaib said:Her name was Benizer Bhutto. She was one of the most corrupt politicians in the country and her husband and our current president Asif Ali Zardari is much much worse. Our Prime Minister was just ousted yesterday by our Chief Justice for defying Supreme Court orders to write a letter to the Swiss to continue investigation of Zardari's corruption and the next guy Zardari proposed for Prime Minister just received an arrest warrant for involvement in narcotics(he was our health minister).LooK iTz Jinjo said:You can have our opposition leader... No seriously, please take him!
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Didn't the Pakistani opposition leader get shot and killed a few years ago? She was someone of importance at least, if not the opposition leader.
The Balochistan Chief Minister and another one of Zardari's supporters has said "a degree is a degree weather real or fake", he said this when the educational degrees of several ministers were under scrutiny for being fake(and several were found to be fake).
Don't tell me these kind of people don't deserve to be assassinated.
It's an average, which isn't taking into account the actual assassinations aren't spread nicely. My point mostly was to illustrate that when it comes to major events we live quite a while longer than our collective memory typically lasts.Joseph Harrison said:
Otherwise, while conditions are nothing alike the 60's, 70's, and 80's, it does seem we're entering a new period of turbulence. Rising food prices, economic trouble, and widespread civil rights protests make for a lovely witches brew of trouble - and it's far from done stewing.
The white man leaves the black man a country in such poor shape that if the black man so much as sneezes next to it it will fall over... and people are screaming for President Obama's blood?Terminate421 said:
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There is always a way. You can put up as many protections as you like around someone or something. There will always be someone who can work out how to bypass your protections and sink their teeth into you.
given that there is a lot of discontent with governments world wide I wouldnt be too surprised to hear of an assassination.
Sympathise? no thats too far but empathise , easily but thats a whole different thread.Treblaine said:
it wasnt sarcasm it was a different pov to yours. and i know they found him on his feet i said they murdered him on his knees. there never were any WMD's thats been proven and admitted to in court. infact it was a total and complete lie a fabrication used to justify an imperialist war of ideology and conquest. America pioneed wmd's , Hiroshima , nagasaki , 2 civilian centres nuked! not military targets but civilian! the idea to win through terror using WMD's.
In my country the police dispense justice and the army fight wars. for us to go after someone they have to be proven guilty, theres a whole big greek think about it arrestes and all that lot , quite a few civilised countries adopted rule of law over the years.
Its what seperates cold bloodied murder from justice.
Attempts are planned nigh-on constantly, I'd imagine, but the level of paranoia and consequent security means that any attempt unfunded by internal governmental groups is very unlikely to be succesful.
Before I read the qualifier, I was going to point out Osama Bin Laden, Benazir Bhuto, Colonel Ghaddafi, various high-ups in the Taliban, and so on had already been assassinated in our lifetimes.
Before I read the qualifier, I was going to point out Osama Bin Laden, Benazir Bhuto, Colonel Ghaddafi, various high-ups in the Taliban, and so on had already been assassinated in our lifetimes.
Well, it depends on how you think about it.
If you think about it as an American, meaning that it doesn't count as major if it's outside the US, then I say maybe.
But for the rest of the world, yes, it will happen.
Here in Norway we saw many politicians, political staff and civilians killed in the bomb planted by Anders B. Breivik during the 22/07/2011 massmurders.
There would have been more casualties if the van with the bomb wasn't placed right over an underground parking garage(the roof of the garage collapsed and much of the bomb's force went downwards).
So even though no really major politicians where killed in the explosion, it only was luck that prevented it.
I would count that as a sign that assassinations and that other stuff is still something we can expect in our time, just as the previous generations.
The only real question is if we will have our "shot in Sarajevo" or our "Kennedy", an assassination that grabs the people and have a greater affect on the times?
If you think about it as an American, meaning that it doesn't count as major if it's outside the US, then I say maybe.
But for the rest of the world, yes, it will happen.
Here in Norway we saw many politicians, political staff and civilians killed in the bomb planted by Anders B. Breivik during the 22/07/2011 massmurders.
There would have been more casualties if the van with the bomb wasn't placed right over an underground parking garage(the roof of the garage collapsed and much of the bomb's force went downwards).
So even though no really major politicians where killed in the explosion, it only was luck that prevented it.
I would count that as a sign that assassinations and that other stuff is still something we can expect in our time, just as the previous generations.
The only real question is if we will have our "shot in Sarajevo" or our "Kennedy", an assassination that grabs the people and have a greater affect on the times?
"Murdered on knees" vs "shot while standing" is not a matter of perspective. It's a matter of deception.zumbledum said:
There were WMDs in Iraq found in Iraq. Just none that Saddam hadn't already disclosed. If is was an imperialist war, where are the permanent imperial bases in Iraq? You can't say this is a matter of perspective, Iraq was regime change, not empire building through conquest.
"for us to go after someone they have to be proven guilty"
Right, so you can't go after someone to put them on trial, till they have been proved guilty... in a trial. This means the police can never go after ANYONE!
And Usama Bin Laden was not some common criminal under civil law, he was the commander of a military organisation that the US Congress has in fact officially declared war on. Taliban was the government of Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda was their foreign attack force. You can declare war on such entities.
You just seem to be contrarian, opposing america and siding with their most bloodthirsty of enemies.
I'll assassinate Cameron myself if I don't get my rebate on the Jubilee and Olympics, I had to work the Jubilee so couldn't partake in celebrations and the Olympics took money away from stuff I care about like my local library and art gallery.
What's the point in paying tax if it isn't going to be spent on the stuff I actually give a toss about?
What's the point in paying tax if it isn't going to be spent on the stuff I actually give a toss about?
Well Saddam was executed, not assassinated, and Gaddafi could be argued either way.Sylveria said:
To be honest I know people speak of the protection people like Obama etc have but that is only a matter to someone who wants to commit the assasination and get away after it, to a suicide bomber or someone who wants to get caught to help whatever agenda they are following, it would be surprisingly easy, given that these days there are ceramic knives, ceramic guns, many easy ways to hide enough explosive to kill everyone within a certain radius, even a small civil aircraft like a Cessna can be packed with enough explosive or even fuel to be made into a FAB (Fuel Air Bomb), doesn't even have to crash the White House or similar building, it would just have to crash anywhere that they are doing a walk about or photo shoot., I am surprised that it hasn't happened yet.
If you actually think about it there are even more ways, e.g. Motorbike with gunner/suicide bomber on the back, Van pack with explosives and Radioactive material (dirty bomb), in certain American States you can legally own a .50cal Sniper Rifle that can pierce body armour at 2km.
These are just methods that I have seen/read in books or films, it all boils down to if the assasin wants to get away or not, also if the Intelligence services find out about the plan before hand, a plan by a major Terrorist Group would be easy to find out about but a Lone Wolf could pull something off without anyone knowing.
If you actually think about it there are even more ways, e.g. Motorbike with gunner/suicide bomber on the back, Van pack with explosives and Radioactive material (dirty bomb), in certain American States you can legally own a .50cal Sniper Rifle that can pierce body armour at 2km.
These are just methods that I have seen/read in books or films, it all boils down to if the assasin wants to get away or not, also if the Intelligence services find out about the plan before hand, a plan by a major Terrorist Group would be easy to find out about but a Lone Wolf could pull something off without anyone knowing.
It was clear from square one they weren't getting out of anything alive, might as well have been assassinations.DJjaffacake said:
I do recall a Swedish minister getting stabbed to death a few years ago tho. How "major" that is, up to debate, of course, but the definition of "major" seems rather askew sometimes.
Still not assassination though, Saddam's execution was inevitable, but still legal.Vegosiux said: