Exactly,it's pretty arrogant to think that you're opinion is the only true one,everyone has their beliefs and trying to alter them is not going to change anything.Zhukov said:
Besides,who really KNOWS what's at the end.
Poll: Do you think you can convert a believer?
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Besides,who really KNOWS what's at the end.
I have to go with depends. And I say that because conversion DOES happen, or else there wouldn't be a term for it. QED.
Now, could someone convert this from gaming discussion to religion please?
Now, could someone convert this from gaming discussion to religion please?
Bah, bro, don't most muslim people like fly shit into buildings and blow people up?twistedheat15 said:
Seriously man, I think you need to think a little about this kind of stuff before you make an unfair generalization about a third of the earth's population. I know it's been said by other people too, but c'mon dude.
Umm yes? Freedom mate. I believe that no single virtue on this planet is more important than freedom. Earth and the ecosystem will be around long after people are gone, so I don't believe that anyone should be forced to do things. Now that said, I'm not an anti-environmentalist or anything and I definately believe in limiting pollution and encouraging conservation and reducing ecological footprint but I would never force people to do those things.Hammeroj said:
OT: Maybe. I really couldn't say. If I had to give an answer I would say in general, yes. But of course there are some cases that are so firmly rooted in their beliefs that the ghost of Jimi Hendrix could slap them across the tits with a solid gold xylophone and I would still have no idea where I'm going with this statement.
No, i don't think so, especially not online.
Beeing converted usually involves giving up your own previous beliefs, be they relegious, political, 360/ps3 fanboyism in the consolewar, in favor of the new ones, thus acknowledgeing the inferriority of your previous choice.
This will for many people be like admitting a fault, say "i was wrong, you were right" and it makes some peopel feel really stupid, and feel like they're beeing submissive to whoever converting, somehow acknowledgeing their superriority, and in turn, their of inferriority.
Beeing converted usually involves giving up your own previous beliefs, be they relegious, political, 360/ps3 fanboyism in the consolewar, in favor of the new ones, thus acknowledgeing the inferriority of your previous choice.
This will for many people be like admitting a fault, say "i was wrong, you were right" and it makes some peopel feel really stupid, and feel like they're beeing submissive to whoever converting, somehow acknowledgeing their superriority, and in turn, their of inferriority.
Non believers tend to base their beliefs on logic, and aruge with believers by using that logic, whereas believers do exactly the same, only with faith. However, faith and logic are polar opposites, and totally incompatible, that's why most religious debates end up in a immovable force, unstoppable object scenario.
Atheism is the rejection of belief not "lack of", if it is lack of belief then it is probably indifference.
How come you put "know" in that way? Makes me think you want know rather than believe.Custard_Angel said:
I want to have faith and all that stuff but the more I think about god the more I think there isn't one.
People believe what they believe, trying to change that is a hard process unless there very weak willed, so even if you do convert them are they really converted or just following what you say?
One principle that can be gleaned from the bible is the fact that nothing about conversion in Christianity is supposed to be metric or systematic. Its stated, and repeated repeatedly that it's relational. God doesn't want to be an idol or an idea or a dowding father, he wants to be a friend and lover.
I have done in the past, so yes, I suppose.
On three separate occasions now I've received private messages on a different forum that I go on from people thanking me for talking them into giving up their religion.
On three separate occasions now I've received private messages on a different forum that I go on from people thanking me for talking them into giving up their religion.
the question is how far are you willing to go to coerce your victim into conversion. moraly questionable Europeans and Arabs during the crusades were able to convert many people, usually at the point of a sword.
let me shut off my ethical compass, and immunity from the international criminal court,and LOTS OF TIME and I could make the entire planet whatever religion I want.
let me shut off my ethical compass, and immunity from the international criminal court,and LOTS OF TIME and I could make the entire planet whatever religion I want.
I used to use Pascal's wager but then I stopped. Once I reached around 17 I think I started to realise what a bad argument it is.crudus said:
I think converting someone is possible (though I probably couldn't do it) I think it all depends on how convincing the person attempting this is (based on charisma and intelligence) and how deep seated the belief in question is in the mind of the person who holds it.
question, why is this in gaming?
You don't believe in atheism, atheists believe in logic and scientific fact, and that the existence of a God is impossible because there isn't any facts to support the theory.NickKuroshi0 said:
OT; I doubt it, although of course there are always exceptions. The question is why would you want to? Unless you're a child or teenager, you probably aren't going to confront your beliefs unless something traumatic happens to you, such as the loss of a loved one. It just causes unnecessary conflict to argue over someone's religious beliefs.
No. I don't believe I can, I would like to if I'm being honest but I know that all I can do is provide a logical and well thought out argument for why I believe what I do and leave it at that, if people wish to agree with that view then that is nice if they don't then that is their choice however wrong I may think it is.
I don't treat a person differently because of what they believe but I will challenge it if the situation comes up, I won't go out of my way to do so however.
I don't treat a person differently because of what they believe but I will challenge it if the situation comes up, I won't go out of my way to do so however.
No way. I don't have nearly enough patience to convert somebody. Besides, the whole idea doesn't appeal to me. Strikes the wrong chords.
I don't really view agnosticism as much of a religion, either. Religions tend to be ordered things with specific belief systems, culture, traditions, and practices revolving around them. Agnosticism only falls partly under a specific belief system, typically being, "I don't believe in a god, but I can't prove that there is or isn't one."Hammeroj said:
I believe that there is intelligent life on other planets, but that doesn't mean I can prove it. It also doesn't mean it can be disproved, because at the time being we don't have the technology to do so. Does that mean that evidence of god or aliens could be proven or dis-proven at some point in the future? I think so, yes.
And yeah, I'm more than willing to say that people who believe in a god have a chance to be right. Does that mean I'll believe him just because he has an ancient magic book that says so? No.
And coming to the conclusion of, "It could be, it could also not be, there's no way you can prove it either way." does require a lot of thought. I spent the better half of my life coming to decide upon that after lots of introspective thought and studying various religions from around the world, as well as practicing one of them up until I was fourteen. I didn't just go, "Hrmm, I'm hungry, better eat." The fact that you equate the two together would be insulting if I cared more about it. I spent months and months reading and asking questions and finding out everything I could until I finally accepted what I believe in.
So, sure. We can disagree. I think that deciding upon agnosticism is a big decision. Are there people out there who are just too lazy to make up their mind and choose it? I have little doubt in that, but there are also people like me who actually take these things seriously and put in a lot of time and effort to come to what they feel is the right conclusion.
It is a decision. It is an opinion. Get over it.