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Mordereth

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Now, let me just say this,

While I don't play Eve, I know people who play it way too much and are CEO's and FC's. So I got all of the jokes in Yahtzee's review, and I must say it was amazing. Did anyone else equate that reviews release with a cease in Eve's adverts here?

I mean, even if it was on the same date you could still reasonably write it off as coincidence, and it was just because they had another BIG patch coming out, but...

Here's the review.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online
 

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Yes, your poll (and its attached post) are quite confusing. I'm sure that when there's another major content patch for EVE, CCP will happily buy ads on the Escapist along with many other sites.

YZ doesn't like MMOs (oh, I'm sorry, should I say "mumorpuhger" here?) to begin with, and an MMO where you're a tiny cog in a mighty corporate machine, staring out at space (or in a hangar) with nothing but numbers and words to keep you company probably felt like making love to an Excel spreadsheet to him. It's not for everyone.
 

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Okay, let me spell this out for those who seem to not be getting it. Not *too* long ago there was this game called "Kane and Lynch" which blew utter chips, but was spending insane amounts of money on advertising. A certain high profile game reviewer was fired when he called the turd a turd after they spent huge amounts of money advertising on the site.

Truthfully, Yahtzee can be hard to read, but he's not that hard, and he blasts everything but generally you can pick up some good points even as he's razzing something. He not only ripped EVE in perhaps the most horrible way it could be ripped (pointing out it's just another grind-tastic MMORPG, when one of the selliong points of EVE is how differant it is) as well as insulting it's player base right where it hurts.

In general advertising is bought months in advance, truthfully I have no idea why EVE doesn't advertise here anymore, but it could be connected to that review. But it could also be other things like rising prices for space in proportion to The Escapist's traffic, or EVE not getting enough traffic coming from this site to warrent it. Truth be told though ads are generally not going to vanish instantly, rather they just won't be renewed after their time expires. The Escapist does not share the business end of things with us users for obvious reasons.

Honestly, this post indirectly brings up something else I've been thinking about. That is the game "Red Faction: Gueriella". That game went beyond mere advertising here, to the point of there being a badge created specifically for it (which I do not have, in fact I only have the game because it was a gift, though I do play to play it). Can Yahtzee honestly review and express his opinion in the usual fashion with the money involved? It presents an intresting question and conflict of interest, and also makes me think that they would be wise to just sidestep the entire issue and not have Yahtzee review games that have purchused advertising space.

Of course then again, it surprises me to no end that game companies advertise here to begin with. I mean when you think about it, pretty much everything on this site is dedicated to mockery, satire, or outright insult of the gaming industry and it's products. I'm not just talking Yahtzee, but also things like "Unskippable" which basically reams game cinematics which quite probably had production costs in the millions extremely hard. Even the (persumably defunct) "De-Rez" rarely (if ever) had anything positive to say, it basically grabbed the most retarded things in games, and made them seem even more retarded by people performing live action skits about them.

Oh sure, I probably am missing something here that is overwhelmingly professional and positive, but think about it. Humor yes, flattering for the industry? Not really. :p

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Therumancer said:
I mean when you think about it, pretty much everything on this site is dedicated to mockery, satire, or outright insult of the gaming industry and it's products.
Now here I would strongly disagree with you. Yes, it's true that Zero Punctuation, Unskippable and De-Rez are/were all aimed at satire or humor, but those are only a few of the items that the Escapist offers. Many of the articles and videos are dedicated towards giving us more insight into the games and the industry that makes them. I wouldn't at all put the Escapist under the "satire site" umbrella.

But hey, we're going a little off-topic here, maybe.
 

MasterSqueak

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I honestly don't care. Yahtzee does not amuse me, nor do I consider him a serious reviewer.

Even if its true, it would not matter. Well, to each his own.
 

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Considering he flat out refused to join a corporation (clan/guild - possibly the most social part of any mmo), I don't really trust his review of EVE, and hopefully many people don't hold it to heart. But it's not like EVE advertisment isn't plastered all over the internet is it?
 

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The phrase "any publicity is good publicity" tends to apply to Yahtzee's reviews. Remember that patronage of McDonalds actually increased immediately after Super Size Me was released in cinemas, in every single country that it got a screening. The power of a brand is that just mentioning it is advertising, it doesn't matter whether you mention it positively or negatively, it still gets people's minds thinking about the product. And for every person who saw Yahtzee's review of EVE and said to themselves "well that looks like it sucks, I won't be playing that" there was probably someone else who said "hmmm, I might check that out and see if I agree with him or not". Strangely, people DO think for themselves, and it's this ability which is harnessed by the true power of advertising.

For the record I've played EVE for a couple of years now on and off but I struggle to find motivation to play it these days, I think aspects of it are broken beyond repair (such as Factional Warfare which is just stupid because the numbers between sides are so unbalanced, and getting more so every day because naturally everyone wants to join the winning side). I might start taking interest again when they bring in that Walking In Stations thing, assuming that it isn't vapourware. But it's very grindy, even without the XP thing, and takes a lot of time investment to make any real progress towards anything at all - much more so than any other MMORPG I've seen. I don't think Yahtzee's review is very well informed, because two weeks simply isn't enough time to judge EVE, but I do think that even if it was, he probably would have come to the same conclusions.
 

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I had my account reactivated for free for 5 days. I spent 6 hours downloading it again. I have realized just how boring it is again.
 

Zildjin81

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Do you really think that CCP cares about what some guy who is paid to ***** about games thinks?