Poll: Ever Served In The Military?

gh0ti

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MaxTheReaper said:
gh0ti said:
Obviously what I meant was, if hypothetically your freedom of expression was under threat and the only way to maintain it was to put your life in grave danger, would you?

By the way, would you consider yourself a nihilist?
This depends - do I have anyone else I can send into grave danger first?

And, perhaps.
I wouldn't say life is without meaning or value.
I would just say that the lives of others are without meaning or value.

So really, I am just a jerk.
Heh. At least you're honest about it.
 

Ajna

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Ethereal said:
Ajna said:
gragimor said:
Ajna said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Honor isn't worth anything to a dead man.

Anyway, no. And I never have any plans to, despite most of the men in my family having done so/attempted to do so.

My reasons are simple.
One: I do not care about my country. It is a piece of land. It is not worth dying over.
Two: I have massive authority issues. The first time someone "ordered" me to do something, I would use the training I had just recently acquired to teach them the folly of doing so, preferably with a high-powered rifle.
Three: It is unreasonably hot in Iraq. As long as there is even a .01% chance of serving anywhere nearly that hot, I will not be serving. I do not do well in warm climates - I would die.
Four/Three B: There is nothing worth dying for.
More or less that. Whenever someone says the quote "Better to die on your feet than live on your knees," I laugh. Because I'll be the one at their funeral, laughing. I'll take my knees, thank you, and stand up later.

I'd be okay with the military, long as I wasn't going to be in long. I'd like it just to get some training in firearms and the like... Respect from others for my service... It could be useful...
My grandpa would beat the living **** out of you if he caught you saying that, ALOT of good people died fighting for a chance to create a better world (not saying that the millitary is always fighting for the right cause), and joining the army KNOWING you might get killed (talking about the high risk wars, WW 1, WW2, not the low casualty stuff we have now), asks for more backbone that most people have nowdays.
At least realise that and pay the dead the respect they earned.
When did I disrespect them? Hrm? I said that I'd rather live than die, and if you disagree with that, I see no point in talking to you. I've always found war to be pointless, for reasons I've stated elsehere, and feel that if you sign up for something *knowing* you may die, you probably weren't that bright to start with. Also, if you had read more than just a small part of my post, you'd know I intend to join the military in the future. I could use the training, and if I have to fight in a war in exchange, I can live with that.

I humbly submit before the jury that your grandfather would beat the living shit out of you, for putting his genes to such poor use.

(Apologies for any grammatical errors. I typed this from my phone, and the auto spellcheck hates big words.)
You didn't say I'd rather live than die. You said "I'll be the one at their funeral, laughing", which is a pretty disrespectful thing to say. Unless you are utterly stupid, you can't really believe that is not a little inflammatory.
On a side note I would highly recommend you stay out of the United States Military. If you are going to enlist for the sole purpose of training there are far better options available in many different forms depending on what career your are pursuing. Getting an Internship, a starter job, or a college education in whatever field your interested in will benefit you just as much as the military. I've met a lot of people who have been in the U.S. Army, and most who join without feeling some sense of duty towards their country before hand come back and regret that entire portion of their lives.
Ah, yes. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear in my earlier post. I do that, sometimes.

I meant that I'd laugh at their funeral because I outlived them. Anyone I outlive, I'm going to laugh at. Because it's more proof I'm better than them. I like to be better than people.

It's completely unrelated to their service in the military. I don't care how you die, if I still live longer than you, I won, in the end. I like to win.
 

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You keep talking like that someone is going to shoot you. Hell, i wanna beat the crap out of you. Surviving doesn't mean your better than anyone. Death doesn't have favourites. It just means you were lucky enough to not be hit by a car or get cancer or get blown up by an IED...

When it comes down to it, a lot of people put themselves in high risk situations so people like you don't have to. The least you can do is respect that and them.

Oh and if you act like such a self-important competitive jerk in the military, they'd probably help grandpa kick the living shit out of you.
 

Ajna

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MaxTheReaper said:
AhumbleKnight said:
MaxTheReaper said:
One: I do not care about my country. It is a piece of land. It is not worth dying over.
A country is not a peice of land. It is the culture, values, and most importantly the people in that peice of land.
You say "most importantly." I disagree.
People are less than a dime a dozen.
People are nothing. Worthless.
A person may be worth everything, but people as a whole are not.
AhumbleKnight said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Four/Three B: There is nothing worth dying for.
I would die for my family. Wouldn't you sacrifice your life for those you care about?
No. Simply put, I don't feel the "love" for my family I am told I am supposed to feel.
gh0ti said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Four/Three B: There is nothing worth dying for.
Freedom to express that sentiment?
I already have that. If I died for it, I would no longer be capable of expressing anything, because I would be dead.
Ajna said:
More or less that. Whenever someone says the quote "Better to die on your feet than live on your knees," I laugh. Because I'll be the one at their funeral, laughing. I'll take my knees, thank you, and stand up later.
I laughed once at a funeral.
I got thrown out.
Evilbunny said:
People remember honorable men, and quickly forget cowards.
Really?
Would you say there are men of honor in the military, right now?
Could you point me to the statues made in their image?
Or even an article in the newspaper saying they died?

People remember Hitler, but I wouldn't say he was an honorable man.
1: I'd like to point out that people are worth slightly more than 10 cents per dozen. The gross market price for the raw goods that make up a human are worth 40 dollars (ish). Now, consider the value of a human liver, or kidney... And work your way up to the heart. People might not be worth much, but humans are worth a lot, on the black market.

2: I can feel for you on the lack of love bit. My mother is nice though. Oh, and do dogs count as family?

3: That is true, assuming you don't believe in an afterlife. I want to believe. I want to believe so hard...

4: I've laughed at multiple funerals, but never at the person it's for but only once for the person it was for (Karma's a vixen, the man had it coming). Normally, the people in question were outrageously old relatives of mine, and you can't really blame them for dying before me.

5: When I read his post, the first thing I thought was "People remember Hitler, and he committed suicide. Isn't that the coward's way out?" But then I remembered Godwin's Law. And I was too distracted trying to decide if it was a relevent reference to get in the comment before you. I decided it was a valid reference, though.
 

Ajna

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deadman91 said:
You keep talking like that someone is going to shoot you. Hell, i wanna beat the crap out of you. Surviving doesn't mean your better than anyone. Death doesn't have favourites. It just means you were lucky enough to not be hit by a car or get cancer or get blown up by an IED...

When it comes down to it, a lot of people put themselves in high risk situations so people like you don't have to. The least you can do is respect that and them.

Oh and if you act like such a self-important competitive jerk in the military, they'd probably help grandpa kick the living shit out of you.
What part of "military" means "you don't get shot at"? Also: Unless you oppose the theory of evolution, surviving inherently means you're better than everyone. And I am.

Luck has nothing to do with getting hit by a car or blown up. It only has a small part to do with cancer, and because I don't smoke or drink (and have considered going vegan often), I'm significantly less likely to get it than someone who does either of those things, or who eats more meat than me.

I have said twice in this thread that it's not a matter of respect or disrespect. It's a matter of them being okay with potentially dying before having children, and thus being a genetic dead end, and me wanting to actually contribute to the next generation.

Also: Because I'm only able to perceive my own experiences and feelings, I am, by definition, the only thing that matters to me. I never am competitive though. At least, not physically. I'm much more of a fan of bashing morons on the internet. People in Iraq normally get to have laptops and such, so I'd still be able to do that.

EDIT: Quick clarification: There is nothing wrong with opposing the theory of evolution, so long as you oppose it for a reason other than being ignorant.
 

Ajna

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MaxTheReaper said:
Ajna said:
*snip, snip*
1. We are more (or in this case, less,) than the sum of our parts. The parts in this case would probably total more than the person they came from.

2. They do if you want them to.

3. I can understand that. It's an unfortunate thing, to be incapable of faith. I want my security blanket, just like everyone else gets.

4. I try to skip funerals. They're so full of shit. "Oh, so-and-so was a great man of God..." Bullshit. You were saying just the other day how much you hated so-and-so.

5. Hitler was a good example to use, if I may say so. Godwin's Law should only apply when you bring him up in a ridiculous manner.
"Hitler breathed air! Air is bad!"
1: So we're agreed? Free livers for all?

2: Then they do. I have a lot of brothers now.

3: I'm trying to dispute the fact that I'm incapable of faith and failing. Damn you for being right.

4: That's true. The person I was talking about who earned it? He had four types of cancer (Pancreatic, liver, lung... And something else.). He was a notorious asshole. We had a family gift exchange for christmas each year, and when people drew names for it, if they got his, they were allowed to put the slip back and get another.

5: But air is bad...
 

fatboijim

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I actually go away in july for my basic training with Royal Irish Regiment wich i cnt wait for tbh.
 

pirateninj4

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Security if you're not deployed into the frontline area is always good. I enjoyed my stint in the military if only because I got fit and learnt some cool stuff that I still use today.
 

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If your not defending your immediate family/friends there is never a reason to attack kill anyone (and even then try not to kill the aggressor).
Joining the Army means that eventually your going to become a killer. Every person I've ever known who's joined has either said joining was the biggest mistake of their life.....or would require a medium to garner their opinions.

The Army is for the aggressive and those that have lost someone already to this "Noble Cause" and want to throw there lives away after to them as a deluded validation.

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As a side note my friend has a rather poignant theory, which was a response to me not liking the military.

If a morally suspect leader really wanted to clean up his country and remove its most aggressive (and uneducated) individuals the best policy would be to keep the army, rather than disband it. The dead on front lines voice no opinions.

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Ajna

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MaxTheReaper said:
Ajna said:
1: So we're agreed? Free livers for all?

2: Then they do. I have a lot of brothers now.

3: I'm trying to dispute the fact that I'm incapable of faith and failing. Damn you for being right.

4: That's true. The person I was talking about who earned it? He had four types of cancer (Pancreatic, liver, lung... And something else.). He was a notorious asshole. We had a family gift exchange for christmas each year, and when people drew names for it, if they got his, they were allowed to put the slip back and get another.

5: But air is bad...
1. Huzzah!

2. Huzzah?

3. I get that a lot.

4. Goddamn. Did he piss on the God of Cancer or something? That is pretty awful.

5. Jesus disagrees. You don't want to fuck with Jesus.
Dude has mad zombie skills.
1: Huzzah!

2: Huzzah!

3: So I've noticed.

4: Close. The lung and liver cancer came from smoking and drinking, pancreatic cancer is relatively common, I believe, and if I'd remembered the last one, I'd know how he got it. Two of those four cancers were "stage four". That's the stage where they tell you how many weeks you have left, not how many months.

5: Jesus does have some mad zombie skills. That is true.
 

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MaxTheReaper said:
Evilbunny said:
People remember honorable men, and quickly forget cowards.
Really?
Would you say there are men of honor in the military, right now?
Could you point me to the statues made in their image?
Or even an article in the newspaper saying they died?

People remember Hitler, but I wouldn't say he was an honorable man.
You mean like this?
Or this?
Or this?
Hitler may be remembered but when people hear his name they feel hate and disdain. When they read the names of the dead on those memorials they feel respect and reverence. I think being remembered and hated is worse than being forgotten completely.
 

Mr_Horizon

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Have you served in the armed forces, or do you plan to in the future?
i have served in the "deutsche Bundeswehr" for 9 months in an artillery battalion. My family has a military history too, even though I am not as proud as many other people in this thread are. One of my grandfathers fought in russia (stalingrad), the other one in italy (i don't know details).
My father was a lieutenant, but was never in any war.

I did not enjoy my time in the military that much. There is a certain kind of people that enjoy joining the army (at least in in germany, that is), and I don't get along with those too well. There was also a feeling of uselessness, many things were done just to keep us from sitting around.
I gained knowledge about guns and tanks (useful for action movies and role playing games), but otherwise I believe I could have spent my time better by doing the alternative to military service: a civil service for 10 months, where you work in hospitals or help disabled persons.

and: yay, first post at the escapist!!
 

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Im in the air training core and have plans to be a pilot in the RAF. Second im 16 im going in for the flying scholarship to get me a feel for flying (done it 3 times outside this). I personally want to do it for the challenge of being a pilot and i love the feeling of being airborne. Kudos to all you pilots, soldiers and naval crew out there.
 

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somedude98 said:
Im in the air training core and have plans to be a pilot in the RAF.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction
Really???

Nah, I know what you meant. I just had to, though.