what goes on in your head is an idealized, simplified version of physics that connects all the ideas you have with what you believe are their logical outcomesZack Alklazaris said:According to Metaphysics if it exists in ones mind then yes it exists.
And since practically anything can exist in your head I would have to say, yes. Anything is possible.
actually 'infinite monkeys' don't really work someone tested how random a monkey was capable of being, and it mostly just tapped all the keys that were easy to reach by laying it's hands on the keyboard and ignored some near the edgesSacremPyrobolum said:Space is infinite, therefore everything you can think of is out their somewhere.
It like the infinate amount of monkeys typing on an infinate amount of keyboards will at some point get you a complete library of all the books ever written.
Do you agree with this?
No. The universe doesn't need to be expanding into empty space.Ledan said:To the naysayers out there:
Our bubble of matter (usually called the universe) is expanding out into space, and there doesn't seem to be any boundaries to this space. Thus infinite space. Infinite space. And we know that our bubble originated from a big bang (probably). What are the odds, that this is the ONLY big bang in this infinite space? I would say.... 0.
So, with infinite space, and a (possible) infinite amount of "universes"(or big bangs) then anything and everything is possible.
Short comment: there are many big bangs out there. so anything is possible.
Ah yes... the elusive flying rainbow rhino. Natively called the Kumwait, only found in the savannah mountains of Mian'gan, orbiting the blue sun Jedoah. The Kumwait evolved into having rainbow colored skin, due to the coloring of the native rocks of the rainbow mountains. It flies from it's nest in the mountains down to the very nearby savannahs, where it grasses. This grass is not rainbow coloured, but the rainbow stripes of the Kumwait which causes a natural camouflage effect.Davey Woo said:I don't think that everything exists, especially in terms of evolution/animals etc. I mean sure I can think of a rhino with wings and rainbow-coloured skin. But in terms of evolution, that's completely impractical and so probably won't exist.
Dude, don't confuse Physics with Metaphysics!! One is a scientific discipline and the other is a branch of philosophy!The Lugz said:what goes on in your head is an idealized, simplified version of physics that connects all the ideas you have with what you believe are their logical outcomesZack Alklazaris said:According to Metaphysics if it exists in ones mind then yes it exists.
And since practically anything can exist in your head I would have to say, yes. Anything is possible.
if you 'believe' something happens, your brain can paint you a picture of it
but last time i checked, having a picture of something did not make it fact
and if a mathematician said this, hes bloody stupid.
stand back from the equations once in a while and smell the roses.
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OK, let's go to the mathematical concept of Almost surely [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_surely]. While it is different form "sure" event, by practical results is almost undistiguishable, as the contrary event has a probability of zero. You could have an infinite string of heads, but the probability of that happening is zero, so by most practical standards, they aren't considered. Also the monkeys have a proability of zero of not writing Hamlet in an infinite amount of time. Could it happen? The practical answer is no (alhough the stric mathematical answer is that it almost sure that it would happen): You are trying to counter an argument talking about events with a probability of zero. These events don't have a probability of 0.999999, they have a proabbility of one (with infnite number of tries/monkeys, which is not tha same as a very large amount whcih you sometime seem to use for example when you say 10^1000 is a finite number and therefore the proability of the event you talk about is not zero). There are theorems about these cases that prove that with infinite tries, the proabbility is one. mathematically it isn't that incorrect (for the theorems, see Law of large numbers and infinite mokeny theorem).Naeo said:To start with, space is not infinite.
However, let's assume that it is. Let's assume an infinite expanse, and infinite amount of matter, and an infinite amount of energy. Even then, not everything needs to exist. For one there are limitations (because of physics and chemistry and such) that prohibit certain things/combinations from existing anywhere. Even that aside, there is no necessity that in an infinite sample pool, every possible option will be represented. It absolutely possible to have a sample size of, say, 10^1000 integers, randomly selected from the numbers zero through nine. You do not HAVE to have every number represented. It is incredibly unlikely that you will not get at least one of each number, but it is entirely possible. It is also entirely possible to draw only one number for every iteration of picking a number--you could end up with 10^1000 sixes.
It's not a particularly complex idea, but it's not immediately apparent. As you consider more and more arbitrary things, the chance that any one particular thing fall into that pool approached 1, but does not need to reach it if there is no limit to the number of things you can pick from to arbitrarily observe.
So, the monkey and typewriter thought experiment. You can in theory have an infinite number of monkeys typing on infinite typewriters forever. They may never produce any sort of sentence at all. The likelihood that they will produce any arbitrarily chosen string of text does approach 1, though, but it does not ever need to reach that.
A better example. If you have a coin and you flip it, you have a 1/2 chance of getting heads. If you flip it again, you still have a 1/2 chance of getting heads, and so on and so on. It is completely possible to get heads every time for 100 flips, and then for 1000 flips, and then 10000 flips, and so on and so on for any arbitrarily large number of flips. As you approach infinity, your likelihood of getting heads remains at 1/2 on any given flip, so you are no less likely to get heads than before, so you could go on never getting heads forever.
So in short: just because you have an infinite number of things, there is absolutely no way to argue that any given thing HAS to exist within that set of things. Therefore, the assertion that "the universe is infinite, therefore everything has to exist" is fundamentally flawed above and beyond the assumption of an infinite universe.
Is Wiki enough? It has a comprehensive explanation of Event horizon [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizon] and even in the black hole article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hole] "information from that event cannot reach an outside observer, making it impossible to determine if such an event occurred.[43]" (the 43 is the refference to [i}Cosmic Catastrophes[/i] by Craig Wheeler, book published by the respected Cambridge university Press). I guess I could go to other sources, such as (if my memory serves me right) The Universe in a Nuthsell of Stephen Hawkin. Will it never be tried? I don't know, but if relativity stands in the information front (as in no information can travel faster than the speed of light), it seems like it sill be a futile enterprise.JesterRaiin said:I'm not exactly sure when whole scientific world united and announced that it's impossible to observe interior of Black Hole and noone ever, to the end of time will try to accomplish this task ?
Could you kindly provide me with a citation ?![]()
Okay..... but there must still be more than just this one big bang. I refuse to believe that this is the only bubble of matter.Kataskopo said:No no no, the universe is not expanding into anything. It's an intrinsic expansion, relative by the separation of the parts of the universe.Ledan said:To the naysayers out there:
Our bubble of matter (usually called the universe) is expanding out into space, and there doesn't seem to be any boundaries to this space. Thus infinite space. Infinite space. And we know that our bubble originated from a big bang (probably). What are the odds, that this is the ONLY big bang in this infinite space? I would say.... 0.
So, with infinite space, and a (possible) infinite amount of "universes"(or big bangs) then anything and everything is possible.
Short comment: there are many big bangs out there. so anything is possible.
Space is probably infinite. Having said that, the amount of matter in that space probably isn't infinite. If you had the means to fly though space forever, then after countless billions of years, eventually you'll probably fly beyond the limits of the material thrown from the big bang. After that, there would probably just be nothing but emptiness.Lukeje said:You seem to be under the impression that space is infinite. This is a plausibly false assumption.
Fine. I have no real proof it does. But there must still be several big bangs out there, several bubbles of matter. So, anything is possible. Pretty much.sinterklaas said:We don't know whether space is infinite or not. But yes, if space were infinite everything within the physical laws of our universe has happened, is happening or will happen.
We can ever further extend the concept to an infinite amount of universes, all with different physical laws. Every videogame you ever played has it's own universe. Every movie does, every cartoon does. Every bit of fantasy that ever crossed your mind does. With an infinite amount of universes, everything exists.
No. The universe doesn't need to be expanding into empty space.Ledan said:To the naysayers out there:
Our bubble of matter (usually called the universe) is expanding out into space, and there doesn't seem to be any boundaries to this space. Thus infinite space. Infinite space. And we know that our bubble originated from a big bang (probably). What are the odds, that this is the ONLY big bang in this infinite space? I would say.... 0.
So, with infinite space, and a (possible) infinite amount of "universes"(or big bangs) then anything and everything is possible.
Short comment: there are many big bangs out there. so anything is possible.
Fun fact: There are an estimated 10^80 atoms in the universe.Klumpfot said:Nope. To the best of our knowledge, there is not an infinity of matter in the universe, and it is all governed by the same physical laws.
Fun fact: that "sometime" will be almost immediately.SacremPyrobolum said:Space is infinite, therefore everything you can think of is out their somewhere.
It like the infinate amount of monkeys typing on an infinate amount of keyboards will at some point get you a complete library of all the books ever written.
Do you agree with this?
Well, I refuse to be broke and not-having-an-audi-R8-Spider, but that doesn't make it any more realLedan said:Okay..... but there must still be more than just this one big bang. I refuse to believe that this is the only bubble of matter.Kataskopo said:No no no, the universe is not expanding into anything. It's an intrinsic expansion, relative by the separation of the parts of the universe.Ledan said:To the naysayers out there:
Our bubble of matter (usually called the universe) is expanding out into space, and there doesn't seem to be any boundaries to this space. Thus infinite space. Infinite space. And we know that our bubble originated from a big bang (probably). What are the odds, that this is the ONLY big bang in this infinite space? I would say.... 0.
So, with infinite space, and a (possible) infinite amount of "universes"(or big bangs) then anything and everything is possible.
Short comment: there are many big bangs out there. so anything is possible.
Yes, but the question is, if space is finite, what's containing it?Lukeje said:Not really. There's no real reason to believe that empty space can't be quantized at a small enough length scale.Robert Sanders said:You're thinking of the universe, which encompasses stars, planets, cosmic dust, etc. There is a finite amount of that, but the actual empty space around and in between everything would appear to be infinite.Lukeje said:You seem to be under the impression that space is infinite. This is a plausibly false assumption.
Kataskopo said:Well, I refuse to be broke and not-having-an-audi-R8-Spider, but that doesn't make it any more realLedan said:Okay..... but there must still be more than just this one big bang. I refuse to believe that this is the only bubble of matter.Kataskopo said:No no no, the universe is not expanding into anything. It's an intrinsic expansion, relative by the separation of the parts of the universe.Ledan said:To the naysayers out there:
Our bubble of matter (usually called the universe) is expanding out into space, and there doesn't seem to be any boundaries to this space. Thus infinite space. Infinite space. And we know that our bubble originated from a big bang (probably). What are the odds, that this is the ONLY big bang in this infinite space? I would say.... 0.
So, with infinite space, and a (possible) infinite amount of "universes"(or big bangs) then anything and everything is possible.
Short comment: there are many big bangs out there. so anything is possible.![]()