Poll: Evolution Yay or Nah?
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That's some pretty intense conspiracy stuff you've got going there. Can you imagine how hard it would be to completely cover up any contradicting evidence to evolutionary theory and also prevent any upcoming scientist in practically any field of biological sciences from seeing the truth? It would be practically impossible to keep the truth a secret if the millions upon millions of facts that supported evolution were all made up, someone would fuck up somewhere and ruin the whole thing.AlexNora said:
It would have to be a worldwide conspiracy among every university and major scientific corporation in the world.
And ultimately, what would be the point of it? Evolutionary theory provides useful tools for many fields of science, what would be the use in a worldwide conspiracy designed to provide useful and logical explanations for the universe?
Well good for you. Just to clarify, you are aware that even people who DO believe in evolution don't believe we evolved from modern apes, right? If so, go about your day. If you were trying to present a contradictory opinion without outright saying it, then you didn't really express it in the right way and I'm not quite sure you understand the boundary you're trying to push with that statement.masterbazza said:
OT: yes. The evolution debate has at this point become the modern day version of the discovery that the earth is round. People are slow to accept it is because of lingering religious dogma and it's taking a little bit longer to become widely accepted because it's far easier to sail around the world than it is to dig up the seemingly infinite number of fossils necessary to completely prove without a shadow of a doubt that evolution is real to somebody who is actively in denial about it. Not that we haven't been digging, mind.
As do I. Ignorance should be fought at every opportunity. And yes, someone who tells you you are a bad person for being an Atheist is obviously not that open-minded a guy. My brother is an Atheist, and while my Mom, who is a devout Christian (though not a creationist,) believes it is just a phase, she doesn't force the issue. She prays for him while letting him decide for himself. Close-minded people exist on both sides. The thing is, you can't prove creationists wrong. According to their beliefs, nothing is beyond the scope of God's power, so if they say "God did it" it's pretty tough to convince them otherwise if their beliefs are strong enough. My point is, all these people on the Escapist who make fun of creationists and call them ignorant aren't really helping anyone.lotr rocks 0 said:
People never really believed the earth wasn't round. That was a myth. Sailors knew if you sailed over the horizon, the effect on your view of land meant the surface of the earth was curved, not flat. Ironically, that myth is supposed to make us modern-day people feel we are smarter than people used to be, kind of a "LOL! Look how wrong they were in the bad old days!" Check out Snopes for the truth.Guitarmasterx7 said:
We are DEVO!octafish said:
But no, there is no such thing as "De-Evolution". Things/Animals/Microbes/Whatever don't always get more complex. Sometimes it goes the opposite way, like the evolution of viruses. They jettisoned their own ways of reproducing to co-opt the reproduction of the cells they invade. It actually made the virus less complex- all they are is DNA, a coat around it, and a way of "injecting" that DNA into a cell. Once inside the Cell, the virus DNA takes over and makes your cell make copies of itself. Many, many copies of itself. So many that the invaded cell ruptures, and releases the copies back into your body. Wash, rinse and repeat for all the "new" copied viruses.
Evolution has no direction. Thus, there is no such thing as "De-evolution". There are plenty of variations in humans. One set of people have evolved to be immune to AIDS (actually, have evolved to be immune to similar type diseases and ailments. It confers more than just immunity to AIDS, but that's the common expression of those genes in this day and age), while others are immune to plaque buildup in the veins and arteries and heart disease (common in Italy, from what I remember, but I think this also crops up elsewhere). Both are not present in most of the population, but if AIDS and Heart Disease remain common, you can expect those genes to spread, as long as both AIDS and Heart Disease kill people off before they can reproduce. (In before someone says AIDS is a gay disease- not any more it isn't. Isn't it time you come into the modern day and not the 80's/90's?)
If you say "I believe in/accept De-Evolution", you can just take the "de" off. You accept evolution. Same with Micro/Macro of what have you. And "believe" isn't the right word. Accept is better. You don't believe in it, you merely accept the evidence that it happens. Evolution is a FACT and A THEORY. The fact is, it happens. The theory explains how.
Seriously? Six percent does not accept this theory?
Blegh. Why are people arguing against a non-controversial theory? It's stupid, annoying and makes me want to hit stuff.
Blegh. Why are people arguing against a non-controversial theory? It's stupid, annoying and makes me want to hit stuff.
Hey, I'm just a spud, not a scientist.LadyRhian said:People never really believed the earth wasn't round. That was a myth. Sailors knew if you sailed over the horizon, the effect on your view of land meant the surface of the earth was curved, not flat. Ironically, that myth is supposed to make us modern-day people feel we are smarter than people used to be, kind of a "LOL! Look how wrong they were in the bad old days!" Check out Snopes for the truth.Guitarmasterx7 said:
We are DEVO!octafish said:
But no, there is no such thing as "De-Evolution". Things/Animals/Microbes/Whatever don't always get more complex. Sometimes it goes the opposite way, like the evolution of viruses. They jettisoned their own ways of reproducing to co-opt the reproduction of the cells they invade. It actually made the virus less complex- all they are is DNA, a coat around it, and a way of "injecting" that DNA into a cell. Once inside the Cell, the virus DNA takes over and makes your cell make copies of itself. Many, many copies of itself. So many that the invaded cell ruptures, and releases the copies back into your body. Wash, rinse and repeat for all the "new" copied viruses.
Evolution has no direction. Thus, there is no such thing as "De-evolution". There are plenty of variations in humans. One set of people have evolved to be immune to AIDS (actually, have evolved to be immune to similar type diseases and ailments. It confers more than just immunity to AIDS, but that's the common expression of those genes in this day and age), while others are immune to plaque buildup in the veins and arteries and heart disease (common in Italy, from what I remember, but I think this also crops up elsewhere). Both are not present in most of the population, but if AIDS and Heart Disease remain common, you can expect those genes to spread, as long as both AIDS and Heart Disease kill people off before they can reproduce. (In before someone says AIDS is a gay disease- not any more it isn't. Isn't it time you come into the modern day and not the 80's/90's?)
Neither am I, actually! (Writer, tbh, and my degree is in English). But I paid attention in college, and continue to read science blogs like The Panda's Thumb and Pharyngula.octafish said:Hey, I'm just a spud, not a scientist.LadyRhian said:People never really believed the earth wasn't round. That was a myth. Sailors knew if you sailed over the horizon, the effect on your view of land meant the surface of the earth was curved, not flat. Ironically, that myth is supposed to make us modern-day people feel we are smarter than people used to be, kind of a "LOL! Look how wrong they were in the bad old days!" Check out Snopes for the truth.Guitarmasterx7 said:
We are DEVO!octafish said:
But no, there is no such thing as "De-Evolution". Things/Animals/Microbes/Whatever don't always get more complex. Sometimes it goes the opposite way, like the evolution of viruses. They jettisoned their own ways of reproducing to co-opt the reproduction of the cells they invade. It actually made the virus less complex- all they are is DNA, a coat around it, and a way of "injecting" that DNA into a cell. Once inside the Cell, the virus DNA takes over and makes your cell make copies of itself. Many, many copies of itself. So many that the invaded cell ruptures, and releases the copies back into your body. Wash, rinse and repeat for all the "new" copied viruses.
Evolution has no direction. Thus, there is no such thing as "De-evolution". There are plenty of variations in humans. One set of people have evolved to be immune to AIDS (actually, have evolved to be immune to similar type diseases and ailments. It confers more than just immunity to AIDS, but that's the common expression of those genes in this day and age), while others are immune to plaque buildup in the veins and arteries and heart disease (common in Italy, from what I remember, but I think this also crops up elsewhere). Both are not present in most of the population, but if AIDS and Heart Disease remain common, you can expect those genes to spread, as long as both AIDS and Heart Disease kill people off before they can reproduce. (In before someone says AIDS is a gay disease- not any more it isn't. Isn't it time you come into the modern day and not the 80's/90's?)
Because it is controversial? If it challenges someone's beliefs, then it must be controversial. And hitting stuff never helps. It just results in property damage or arrest.Alleged_Alec said:
I'm a scientist! well... an aspiring one... In my 4th year in a biotechnology and chemical engineering courseLadyRhian said:Neither am I, actually! (Writer, tbh, and my degree is in English). But I paid attention in college, and continue to read science blogs like The Panda's Thumb and Pharyngula.octafish said:Hey, I'm just a spud, not a scientist.LadyRhian said:People never really believed the earth wasn't round. That was a myth. Sailors knew if you sailed over the horizon, the effect on your view of land meant the surface of the earth was curved, not flat. Ironically, that myth is supposed to make us modern-day people feel we are smarter than people used to be, kind of a "LOL! Look how wrong they were in the bad old days!" Check out Snopes for the truth.Guitarmasterx7 said:
We are DEVO!octafish said:
But no, there is no such thing as "De-Evolution". Things/Animals/Microbes/Whatever don't always get more complex. Sometimes it goes the opposite way, like the evolution of viruses. They jettisoned their own ways of reproducing to co-opt the reproduction of the cells they invade. It actually made the virus less complex- all they are is DNA, a coat around it, and a way of "injecting" that DNA into a cell. Once inside the Cell, the virus DNA takes over and makes your cell make copies of itself. Many, many copies of itself. So many that the invaded cell ruptures, and releases the copies back into your body. Wash, rinse and repeat for all the "new" copied viruses.
Evolution has no direction. Thus, there is no such thing as "De-evolution". There are plenty of variations in humans. One set of people have evolved to be immune to AIDS (actually, have evolved to be immune to similar type diseases and ailments. It confers more than just immunity to AIDS, but that's the common expression of those genes in this day and age), while others are immune to plaque buildup in the veins and arteries and heart disease (common in Italy, from what I remember, but I think this also crops up elsewhere). Both are not present in most of the population, but if AIDS and Heart Disease remain common, you can expect those genes to spread, as long as both AIDS and Heart Disease kill people off before they can reproduce. (In before someone says AIDS is a gay disease- not any more it isn't. Isn't it time you come into the modern day and not the 80's/90's?)
stupid question. everyone knows that steve jobs and superman went to mars 11 billion years ago and cloned everything there, then began placing the random organisms on earth for centuries when one species starts getting too smart. then when the dinosaurs started getting too out of control to handle,they made the stock market literally crash into the earth. then superman used his heat vision to take out the ozone layer to win a bet against al gore. and that is history, my friends, you're welcome. oh wait, now i know what you're thinking, superman and steve jobs couldn't have gone to mars 11 billion years ago, our sun is only six billion years old. well, i have news for you. CARL SAGAN LIED. AND DON'T ARGUE WITH ME OVER WIBBLY WOBBLY TIMEY WIMEY STUFF. OR I'LL FIND YOU. AND EDUCATE YOU. WITH MY FISTS. EVERYTHING IS INFINITY YEARS OLD. THAT IS TATOOED ON MY FISTS. BUT NOT MY HANDS. IT KIND OF HURT. I DIDN'T ABBREVIATE AT ALL
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