You seem to have some weird idea that religion is some quiet group who just sit in their corner minding themselves. Religion pushes their ways and beliefs and thinking on everyone. I choose to simply try pushing back. Maybe not the best method, but Ill be damned if Im learning creationism in my science class.FernandoV said:
Oh, but you aren't, are you? No, YOUR RIGHT to believe what you like is defended. You're not some champion for the cause of evolution; rather than trying to infringe on the rights of people to believe what they like you should break the image of arrogant atheists and accept them for their beliefs, whether they accept you for yours.Saelune said:
Yeah yeah yeah. Same old song and dance. I decry religion for infringing on human rights and so forth, and that makes ME the bad guy. I dont like fighting religion. I really wish I did not even have to care about it. Now, Im not saying Im not doing the same thing as them...but if so, then im doing THE SAME THING AS THEM. Yet you arent yelling at them too now are you?FernandoV said:
Jesus was not making up for Original Sin, Jesus was cleaning all humans of every sin they had committed up to that point, thus allowing them into heaven.Defenestra said:
I'm not much of a religion expert (Though I intern'd at a Bible Software Company (They use genetic algorithms too! They even admit that it disprove creationism)). But if Jesus didn't die for original sin why don't we all just go to hell, and how come Christians always talk about Jesus as their savior.artanis_neravar said:
Oh sorry about them, I'll have a talk with their parents as soon as..oh that's right. You're not a Christian telling an atheist he can't believe what he wants, you're an atheist saying Christians can't believe what they want. Grow up and stop going "But she started it!", I'm not your parent. Yea, you are the bad guy here, you like your right to believe what you like? They like their rights too. Don't be a hypocrite and expect only your beliefs to be valid.Saelune said:
Baptism. The entire point of Baptism is to erase the child (or new convert) of any sin that that committed while outside the fold of Christianity, including Original Sin.mOoEyThEcOw said:
I'm sorry, up to this point I thought we were debating, but I don't see any argument there so much as a distraction. No, it's a logical assumption that given the information you presented one would assume you are an atheist. It's an educated guess, they're not always right but they are definitely not unfounded. There is no hypocrisy there, I didn't go and say "only atheists are unable to determine the religion of someone based on a forum post", so try to argue something in your next post.Saelune said:
I would post a plethora of links that explain how life began on earth, and how it evolved to the state in which the planet is today, but I'm lazy. Either look it up yourself or don't bother me about it. The "facts" are out there, just a google search away.theemporer said:
Well its a logical assumption that a group of people who restrict the rights of others are bigots. Im not the bad guy for wanting facts over beliefs, nor am I a bad guy for wanting to be treated like a human, which the lack of that by religious groups primarily is my main driving force in putting down religion.FernandoV said:
I have seen people assume it does a lot. I had to write a philosophy paper a few years ago, and the entire premise was "assuming evolution is true, where does evil come from". I thought about it for hours and finally realized "evolution doesn't preclude any religion, per se. The religion my preclude evolution, but it isn't the other way around".Varitel said:
I would just like to point out that there is a difference between a "theory" and a "scientific theory". A theory as defined in your post is much closer to a scientific hypothesis. A <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory>scientific theory is actually backed by evidence and undergone a lot of scrutiny from many people(read: scientists). In fact <a =http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory>Dictionary.com's first definition of theory is actually the scientific definition of "theory". The second definition is how it is defined in your post.Cerrida said:
Saelune said:
I'm sure you know that you're just indulging your own side of the story at this point and have no actual founded way of supporting the infringement of the beliefs of others. If you do believe what you're saying then give it a couple of years until you've allowed your mind to open up a little. For some reason you keep on gearing the conversation in a way that claims that Christians are not at fault for anything. Argue something I actually said, if that's the case. Stop acting so suffered, you're being treated fine, from a government standpoint, you're as protected as can be. You're not in jail for believing what you want, right? Whatever qualms you have with your local community being bigots towards you is another issue. And abuse is not mutually inclusive to religion, that depends on the individual. My parents both believe in god but I'm not abused, they are fine with my sexuality, and respect my lack of beliefs.Saelune said:
