Poll: Ganking, Sport? or Grief?
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I'm going to start by saying that I've never played WoW, Starcraft, or any MMO game aside from Runescape, and I quit that after I realized that pouring lemon juice into my eyes would be less painful (around level 80, I'm a slow learner).
That being said, I will say that I liked how it handled the PvP aspect, namely there is one big area where if you go into it other players can attack you. You don't want to fight, stay out of the wilderness. Not sure how other games handle this, but I know I wouldn't want to play a game where some dipshit can run up and kill me when all I want is to finish a quest, level up a bit, etc. etc.
That being said, I will say that I liked how it handled the PvP aspect, namely there is one big area where if you go into it other players can attack you. You don't want to fight, stay out of the wilderness. Not sure how other games handle this, but I know I wouldn't want to play a game where some dipshit can run up and kill me when all I want is to finish a quest, level up a bit, etc. etc.
Yah, that's what I meant, got all my little acronyms jumbled around in my head. Serves me right for posting after a three-hour Bioshock run.GothmogII said:Before WotLK came out? You mean Burning Crusade right?
Ah, not only do you have to consider killing people who can't defend themselves, but the new question arises.Darth Mobius said:
Should you take their junk? Even if it sucks you can sell it back to them.
I say yes again, its like real life, make them hire some protection if they don't want to get jacked. There is a lucrative career in online mafia protection.
bmgibben said:And this is why it keeps happening. Just because someone was a prick to you, doesn't mean you should be taking it out on other people. There is a difference between just killing every enemy you see, and waiting around for the little ones to get back just to ruin their fun.Agent00abe said:Couldn't have said it any better. If you don't like the smell in the bakery, leave. It's as simple as that. If you get beaten in football all the time by someone bigger/better than you, do you whine as well?GothmogII said:As for the higher levels ganking lowbies, no, it's not fun, but, you'll probably be their level someday too, and end up doing the exact same thing >
Ah, but no... You're all looking at it from the wrong perspective. PvP is war. "Don't let behind you a man, woman or child able of carrying a sword"
When you play this game you agree to a set of rules. Even Blizzard them selves have stated that ganking and corpse camping is not harrasment and just a part of the game. And fortunately for you carebears we do have those lovely and underpopulated PvE / RP realms. And in the end, you still have the possibility of just, it's a crazy thought this one, stop playing and do something else for a while.
Jeez when I get my ass raped by 4x70's because I killed them all one by one before they figured out to group up against me, well I go afk the 6 minutes it takes to auto release your spirit. Jokes back on them if they seriously wait all those 6 mins.
And just to be clear, I hardly ever gank people more than 5 lvls lower than me. And if I do, it's usually because I wanna tease some high lvls to come and fight.
Anyways I think I've used enough of your bandwith for now
ok so if you're a lvl 25 and in a lvl 25 zone and a lvl 60 char comes in and smokes you, you're saying that the lvl 25 is stupid for being in the zone that's designed for his character and shouldn't have even bothered to go in there cause someone who is well over the zone's lvl is there beating everyone up?Gooble said:
Hell I gank people, but normally I usually have a reason behind it. I know people have crap to do, so I won't sit there and camp them. Or if I'm playing a healer, revive them. Which is kind of nice to do to make up for the fact you just came up out of nowhere and ganked them. I like pking someone in an effort to amuse yourself, and the challenge of what happens when they come back. Also, I'd like to mention that grieving is an entirely different term. To grief someone, you are intentionally searching for them, over and over, just to pk them. Which I guess is somewhat like camping in a way. But I don't play WoW, so I don't exactly camp people's body.
When I played Wow, I used to gank a little to start an all out war, it worked. It turn down to be good pvp. But I hated ganking when I started a new character on a different server. Because I didnt had any back up.
Oooo... you showed me.bmgibben said:
Protip: Selective reading does not strengthen your position.
First off, I specifically said MMOs. If two players have the same tools and one is better than the other, it's not a gank. There is no "ganking" in fighting games, and about the closest you can get to it in FPS's is to have 3 to 4 people all vs. one guy. Otherwise it's just about skill level.
Ganking has nothing to do with that. Ganking is where your level 70 beats up my level 8 and his level 6 buddies, over and over again, just to make sure that we're not having any fun. It's not a matter of skill, we're certainly not learning anything from the encounter (because usually people who do this don't have incredible PvP tactics anyway), it just slows down our playtime.
Secondly, almost everything I've said on this board *ever* has been facetious, and that comment was more obvious than most.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about you qbert4ever. RuneScape had an odd pvp system (which they promptly ruined, along with generosity, merchanting, and overall FUN for a lot of players), but it wasn't exactly that it was all that bad. You could only be pked in one certain area, not to mention fights usually depend on luck (even if you're high level). I especially hated the fact you drop everything except your 3 most expensive items on you, but that can be a plus if your pking people (it's messed up, I know). But if you do pk someone, and correct me if I wrong but if they don't fight back (I think???) you get a skull over your head. Meaning as no matter how you die, you drop everything. But then again, after they "improved it", you can ALWAYS lose everything no matter what.
I hate how in most MMOs higher level = win (ESPECIALY WOW!)
Looking forward to player skill based mmo's like online first person shooters. where I can kill 50 noobs without dieing, but not because they can't hit be back, its an even playing field.
there no skill in WoW its just a level/gear grind. play guildwars pvp, now thats fun, everyone same level and gear.
Looking forward to player skill based mmo's like online first person shooters. where I can kill 50 noobs without dieing, but not because they can't hit be back, its an even playing field.
there no skill in WoW its just a level/gear grind. play guildwars pvp, now thats fun, everyone same level and gear.
Honestly, when I played wow (I've quit now) I used emotes to determine who I wanted to gank.
When I was raiding in lvl. 60, in oroginal WoW, I ganked everything in sight, because in original wow places like Eastern Plaguelands were World-PvP spots, so everyone went there to fight.
If I knew the person, or the guild (This goes for after the TBC release as well), I would use some sort of friendly emote, and most likely they would respond in a friendly manner as well. Then I would just help them with a mob or so, and then wave goodbye.
However, if I didn't know the guild/person or disliked them, I would attack on sight. Then I wouldn't camp, but you can be guaranteed that I would gank them, because I play on a PvP server, and part of your upbringing is being subjected to ganks. I ganked several level 70's, while levelling to level 70 myself, after TBC's release.
Ganking isn't mean (In WoW) because ganking can only occur on a PvP server, so that means that you chose to play on a server on which you could get ganked.
-- Also, after having ganked someone I didn't know, I would usually do a /sorry emote, and then they would attack/run away depending on how they evaluated my toughness, based on appearance (Gear). I got killed 1000x times before TBC, but in TBC I got really badass at arena, and even ran around with a Merciless Gladiator rating, after having bended over my battlegroup, with a few mates, and taken them hard
So with the title, and arena/honour points, I got badass gear, and as such I wouldn't really get ganked as much, and if I did, I would usually win anyway.
(BTW. my favourite moment in wow. Doing a bit of lame PvE-raid with my guild, Tempest Keep, I think, and I got ganked in my PvE gear, along with my mate (Also the one I did arena with) so we both corpserunned, and instantly switched into our PvP gear, and ganked the two wankers the hell back. We corpsecamped them until the entire raid was ready, and thats what you get for being a prick to teh master)
When I was raiding in lvl. 60, in oroginal WoW, I ganked everything in sight, because in original wow places like Eastern Plaguelands were World-PvP spots, so everyone went there to fight.
If I knew the person, or the guild (This goes for after the TBC release as well), I would use some sort of friendly emote, and most likely they would respond in a friendly manner as well. Then I would just help them with a mob or so, and then wave goodbye.
However, if I didn't know the guild/person or disliked them, I would attack on sight. Then I wouldn't camp, but you can be guaranteed that I would gank them, because I play on a PvP server, and part of your upbringing is being subjected to ganks. I ganked several level 70's, while levelling to level 70 myself, after TBC's release.
Ganking isn't mean (In WoW) because ganking can only occur on a PvP server, so that means that you chose to play on a server on which you could get ganked.
-- Also, after having ganked someone I didn't know, I would usually do a /sorry emote, and then they would attack/run away depending on how they evaluated my toughness, based on appearance (Gear). I got killed 1000x times before TBC, but in TBC I got really badass at arena, and even ran around with a Merciless Gladiator rating, after having bended over my battlegroup, with a few mates, and taken them hard
So with the title, and arena/honour points, I got badass gear, and as such I wouldn't really get ganked as much, and if I did, I would usually win anyway.
(BTW. my favourite moment in wow. Doing a bit of lame PvE-raid with my guild, Tempest Keep, I think, and I got ganked in my PvE gear, along with my mate (Also the one I did arena with) so we both corpserunned, and instantly switched into our PvP gear, and ganked the two wankers the hell back. We corpsecamped them until the entire raid was ready, and thats what you get for being a prick to teh master
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Honestly, when I played wow (I've quit now) I used emotes to determine who I wanted to gank.
When I was raiding in lvl. 60, in original WoW, I ganked everything in sight, because in original WoW, places like Eastern Plaguelands were World-PvP spots, so everyone went there to fight.
If I knew the person, or the guild (This goes for after the TBC release as well), I would use some sort of friendly emote, and most likely they would respond in a friendly manner as well. Then I would just help them with a mob or so, and then wave goodbye.
However, if I didn't know the guild/person or disliked them, I would attack on sight. Then I wouldn't camp, but you can be guaranteed that I would gank them, because I play on a PvP server, and part of your upbringing is being subjected to ganks. I ganked several level 70's, while levelling to level 70 myself, after TBC's release.
Ganking isn't mean (In WoW) because ganking can only occur on a PvP server, so that means that you chose to play on a server on which you could get ganked.
-- Also, after having ganked someone I didn't know, I would usually do a /sorry emote, and then they would attack/run away depending on how they evaluated my toughness, based on appearance (Gear). I got killed 1000x times before TBC, but in TBC I got really badass at arena, and even ran around with a Merciless Gladiator title, after having bended over my battlegroup, with a few mates, and spanked them hard
So with the title, and arena/honour points, I got badass gear, and as such I wouldn't really get ganked as much, and if I did, I would usually win anyway.
(BTW. my favourite moment in wow. Doing a bit of lame PvE-raid with my guild, Tempest Keep, I think, and I got ganked in my PvE gear, along with my mate (Also the one I did arena with) so we both corpserunned, and instantly switched into our PvP gear, and ganked the two wankers the hell back. We corpsecamped them until the entire raid was ready, and thats what you get for being a prick to teh master)
When I was raiding in lvl. 60, in original WoW, I ganked everything in sight, because in original WoW, places like Eastern Plaguelands were World-PvP spots, so everyone went there to fight.
If I knew the person, or the guild (This goes for after the TBC release as well), I would use some sort of friendly emote, and most likely they would respond in a friendly manner as well. Then I would just help them with a mob or so, and then wave goodbye.
However, if I didn't know the guild/person or disliked them, I would attack on sight. Then I wouldn't camp, but you can be guaranteed that I would gank them, because I play on a PvP server, and part of your upbringing is being subjected to ganks. I ganked several level 70's, while levelling to level 70 myself, after TBC's release.
Ganking isn't mean (In WoW) because ganking can only occur on a PvP server, so that means that you chose to play on a server on which you could get ganked.
-- Also, after having ganked someone I didn't know, I would usually do a /sorry emote, and then they would attack/run away depending on how they evaluated my toughness, based on appearance (Gear). I got killed 1000x times before TBC, but in TBC I got really badass at arena, and even ran around with a Merciless Gladiator title, after having bended over my battlegroup, with a few mates, and spanked them hard
So with the title, and arena/honour points, I got badass gear, and as such I wouldn't really get ganked as much, and if I did, I would usually win anyway.
(BTW. my favourite moment in wow. Doing a bit of lame PvE-raid with my guild, Tempest Keep, I think, and I got ganked in my PvE gear, along with my mate (Also the one I did arena with) so we both corpserunned, and instantly switched into our PvP gear, and ganked the two wankers the hell back. We corpsecamped them until the entire raid was ready, and thats what you get for being a prick to teh master
)tiredinnuendo said:
So you never tryed to enjoy the idea of being hunted? to try to escape in new and interesting ways.
For Example, i recently made a priest on a server and they get a spell which means they can walk on water, i was being ganked so i activaed this abiliry and promply jumped of the nearby water fall, i then ran on the water faster that the agressor could swim so i escaped.
I enjoyed that you need to learn to make the most of the current situation.
And even if they catch you just sit there dont beg or cry, (emotes) just sit down and eat mabye, then said lvl whatever will more than likley sit down and eat also. Always anownce if you are plannign to run away a simple bye or wave (emotes) and they are more likley to let you go.
I kill people for the fun of it in every game. Not just MMOs. In MMOs I like to go find the biggest baddest enemies around and lead them to a group of n00bs. The joy of seeing them cut down by something so far out of their league just brings a tear to my eye.
When playing FPS games I like to shoot my teammates in the back or run them over with vehicles. Just to be a dick. Also fun is to chuck grenades when in enclosed spaces with your teammates. Or in halo to stick them with plasma grenades.
In Team Fortress 2 (you'll need a friend for this) both be engineers on the opposite sides of a game. then set up warp pads that are right near a ledge. Your friend then sets up sentries on the ledge where they can't shoot the warp pads. When your teammates go through the warp pads they get killed by the sentries, it's hilarious.
When playing FPS games I like to shoot my teammates in the back or run them over with vehicles. Just to be a dick. Also fun is to chuck grenades when in enclosed spaces with your teammates. Or in halo to stick them with plasma grenades.
In Team Fortress 2 (you'll need a friend for this) both be engineers on the opposite sides of a game. then set up warp pads that are right near a ledge. Your friend then sets up sentries on the ledge where they can't shoot the warp pads. When your teammates go through the warp pads they get killed by the sentries, it's hilarious.
It keeps people on their feet. I mean it's stupid when someone gangs up on some helpless level 2 bro with like a wooden stick and a polo for armor, but that'll teach you not to wander into the wilderness full of poopsocking powergamers.
Ganking's alright if both the ganker and the gankee are in an area with specifically states "Ganks happen here". Like other people say, if you don't like the area, then leave.
I remember when I played Runescape (I was young and naive...) I went to the Wilderness (the PvP area), and promptly got my ass handed to me by a ganker. I left, and didn't go back. Moral of the story is, if you don;t like it, then don't go.
Of course, if something like in 'Make Love, Not Warcraft' happens, then it's not cool...
I remember when I played Runescape (I was young and naive...) I went to the Wilderness (the PvP area), and promptly got my ass handed to me by a ganker. I left, and didn't go back. Moral of the story is, if you don;t like it, then don't go.
Of course, if something like in 'Make Love, Not Warcraft' happens, then it's not cool...