Poll: Gender Identity

[Queen Michael]

Like Tinky WInky, I might wear a skirt now and then but I'm 100% male.

 

[Padwolf]

Cisgender female. It's pretty chill for me.

Cis female here and I'm pretty darn happy to stay this way. I've never really questioned my gender, only femininity. Such as I used to hate wearing make up, and I was told I'm "not a real girl" because of that. I was also told I'm "not a real girl" because I wax instead of shaving. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but there you go.

I've sort of had this. I get told I'm `emasculating`, for the weirdest crap. Like beating a guy at poker. Oh shit how manly of me to know how to play cards.

I kinda wish that stuff wasn't attributed to gender at all. That way boyfriend could get over himself and admit that he loves Disney movies just as much as I do, and I wouldn't get shit for liking games. Ah... if only.

I got shit for "staying in all day playing games"! I got some shit at school for beating boys at football. I wish my boyfriend would admit to loving disney movies too, he loves The Jungle Book and he admitted to really enjoying Beauty and the Beast and Toy Story, otherwise he won't watch any other ones with me and yet I know he will really love them, if not for the stories he will love the music. He keeps hinting at Frozen. I've seen it, when I had it on he insisted it was crap and wouldn't watch the second half. Now he whistles the tunes on occasion, knows the words to some of the songs and hints at watching it. If only!

 

[Thaluikhain]

What's wrong with just using male and female? You don't need to go appending prefixes to describe the baseline of something.

If other people need additional parameters to adequately describe their gender, than so be it, but otherwise plain old male and female suits it just fine.

Well, for the most part, yes, male and female work perfectly well, but occasionally additional parameters would be useful.

Things would be a lot better if those additional parameters weren't needed so often, but that's been slow to change.

 

[Poetic Nova]

Thing between the legs tells me I'm a dude. Mentally I'm not 100% sure anymore. Last year has been confusing times, not only about this but other stuff aswell.

 

[Zhukov]

I was also told I'm "not a real girl" because I wax instead of shaving. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but there you go.

Umm...

Seriously?

I mean, that'd be like someone telling me I'm "not a real man" for shaving my face with disposable razors instead of the ones where you change out the blades.

Please tell me you asked the numbskull in question to explain themselves.

 

[Something Amyss]

I was also told I'm "not a real girl" because I wax instead of shaving. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but there you go.

Umm...

Seriously?

I mean, that'd be like someone telling me I'm "not a real man" for shaving my face with disposable razors instead of the ones where you change out the blades.

Please tell me you asked the numbskull in question to explain themselves.

Wait, what? You're not using a straight razor? And you call yourself a man!

 

[Hagi]

I was told I'm "not a real girl" because of that. I was also told I'm "not a real girl" because I wax instead of shaving. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but there you go.

Wat, how does that work?
What kind of person said that to you?

I have no idea how it works, I was so confused by it. I don't understand how waxing = not feminine. When it was said I just couldn't really talk other than go "wha? I don't even...". It was said by someone who is usually very open minded, very mature, and very intelligent. It made it all the more weird and stupid and random.

One thing that comes to mind is that waxing is painful and painful things aren't feminine, dainty flowers and all that.

Ignoring things like menstruation, pregnancy, higher pain resistance on average etc. of course.

 

[Jadak]

What's wrong with just using male and female? You don't need to go appending prefixes to describe the baseline of something.

If other people need additional parameters to adequately describe their gender, than so be it, but otherwise plain old male and female suits it just fine.

Well, for the most part, yes, male and female work perfectly well, but occasionally additional parameters would be useful.

Things would be a lot better if those additional parameters weren't needed so often, but that's been slow to change.

Did you only read half my post? Yes, additional parameters are sometimes needed or at least useful. No problem, use them when they help. What you're calling 'cis' is the baseline, a lack of extra parameters, so no need to add anything.

 

[Something Amyss]

Excepting, of course, that there are rather obviously large numbers of people who are intersex. Intersex being the most obvious, but hardly the only, group that would fall into the "other" category.

(Unless, of course, the second line was a continuation of the attempt at "oppressive white male" humour, instead of a confirmation.)

Intersex people should pick a side and stop being greedy!

....Sorry, just applying the logic that bisexuals are handed. It sounds silly there, too.

 

[Zhukov]

I was also told I'm "not a real girl" because I wax instead of shaving. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but there you go.

Umm...

Seriously?

I mean, that'd be like someone telling me I'm "not a real man" for shaving my face with disposable razors instead of the ones where you change out the blades.

Please tell me you asked the numbskull in question to explain themselves.

Wait, what? You're not using a straight razor? And you call yourself a man!

Mate, I still manage to nick myself with a safety razor from time to time. (Always on the tip of the chin.) I'd be liable to sever my own windpipe if I tried a straight razor.

I did shave with a really sharp pocket knife once though. That's gotta net me a few manly points, right? Right?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Did you only read half my post? Yes, additional parameters are sometimes needed or at least useful. No problem, use them when they help. What you're calling 'cis' is the baseline, a lack of extra parameters, so no need to add anything.

Ah, seem to have missed your point entirely.

Anyway...I really don't like the idea of claiming a default of this sort of thing. Even if one group is much more numerous, deciding that they are the default is very othering for the other groups.

 

[Something Amyss]

Did you only read half my post? Yes, additional parameters are sometimes needed or at least useful. No problem, use them when they help. What you're calling 'cis' is the baseline, a lack of extra parameters, so no need to add anything.

Do you feel the same about heterosexual?

 

[Thaluikhain]

There is nothing old fashioned or unenlightened about men wanting to behave like men and women like women.

However, there is something very wrong with individuals pushing that expectation onto other individuals. Whether someone wants to do things in keeping with their traditional gender roles or not is their choice, and nobody else's.

(I'd also question the relevance of the majority of society supporting an idea or not)

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Hooray for other! I'm gender-fluid, folks. Recently came out to close friends and family, too. That was fun.

 

[Colour Scientist]

Cisgender female. It's pretty chill for me.

Cis female here and I'm pretty darn happy to stay this way. I've never really questioned my gender, only femininity. Such as I used to hate wearing make up, and I was told I'm "not a real girl" because of that. I was also told I'm "not a real girl" because I wax instead of shaving. Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but there you go.

I've sort of had this. I get told I'm `emasculating`, for the weirdest crap. Like beating a guy at poker. Oh shit how manly of me to know how to play cards.

I kinda wish that stuff wasn't attributed to gender at all. That way boyfriend could get over himself and admit that he loves Disney movies just as much as I do, and I wouldn't get shit for liking games. Ah... if only.

I got shit for "staying in all day playing games"! I got some shit at school for beating boys at football. I wish my boyfriend would admit to loving disney movies too, he loves The Jungle Book and he admitted to really enjoying Beauty and the Beast and Toy Story, otherwise he won't watch any other ones with me and yet I know he will really love them, if not for the stories he will love the music. He keeps hinting at Frozen. I've seen it, when I had it on he insisted it was crap and wouldn't watch the second half. Now he whistles the tunes on occasion, knows the words to some of the songs and hints at watching it. If only!

Just as an aside, my boyfriend was the one who made me watch Frozen.

 

[Something Amyss]

Extreme example that it is, the next world war roles around and the men will be out fighting and the women will be picking up the slack.

Absolutely, as long as that world war is World War 2.

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here is nothing old fashioned or unenlightened about men wanting to behave like men and women like women. Thats the vast majority of society.

The "vast majority" also adheres to a different version of what "men" and "women" are and what their "roles" are compared to even fifty years ago. Which kind of leads to the question of "so what?"

I did shave with a really sharp pocket knife once though. That's gotta net me a few manly points, right? Right?

...How big was the knife?

 

[Jadak]

Cis is not the baseline though, because "cis" isn't part of gender identity. Cis is a description of your gender identity's relationship with your body. Cis is male body/identity of a man, female body/identity of a woman. Without adding cis, its identity of a man or identity of a woman. Or, well, other. Similarly, there is no baseline for race. We have race, which can then be used as a descriptor, but its still person, just modified with "asian" or "latino" or "white" and so on.

As you've said, in the end it's just a matter of paired terms, gender/gender identity. Male/Male, Male/Female, Female/Female, Female/Male.

Point being, if Male gender and male identity can be labelled as Male/Male, then I do not feel a need to add additional terms to define matching pairs. Saying I'm a 'cis' male feels the same as saying I'm 'male male', which is nonsense, arbitrary duplication and should not need to be specified.

 

[Something Amyss]

Just counting down the days until Japan asks for a rematch. They'll be a more intimidating opponent this time around with their big mechas and Godzilla on their side. The Nazis would probably ask for a rematch too, but that'll have to be based from Greece it seems, rather than Germany.

Given the way our politics swung, would we actually be against the Nazis anyway?

Or, given we're already resetting gender roles, are we resetting other cultural norms so that we're not run by a fringe of crackpots who think Jews are evil aliens who run a global conspiracy?

 

[Jadak]

Except it unfortunately does. Gender and sex are separate constructs. The former seems to exist solely within the brain, whereas the latter is a result of primary and secondary sex characteristics. Sometimes they mis-match. Cis is simply a way of saying "they match", and trans is simply a way of saying "they mis-match".

Exactly, and if cis is just a way of saying 'they match', then it's not worth using. Things match unless otherwise specified.

 

[Something Amyss]

Except it unfortunately does. Gender and sex are separate constructs. The former seems to exist solely within the brain, whereas the latter is a result of primary and secondary sex characteristics. Sometimes they mis-match. Cis is simply a way of saying "they match", and trans is simply a way of saying "they mis-match".

And not to harp on the point, but people have no problem saying "heterosexual" or "straight" in terms of identification even though it's considered "normal" in society. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few people out there who resent it, but it never seems to have the same level of resistance the concept of cisgender does.

I mean, it's not a perfect analogue, but it's interesting how people handle the two.

We're America - if our enemy doesn't show up on the battlefield, we'll attack our foreign allies who happen to be next to us. We're like the Krogan, but dumber.

I thought we used a dart board to determine our next enemy. We take a circular picture of the Earth (the true, Ponydisc Earth, not this round Earth conspiracy) and whatever country we hit, that's where we go.