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massau

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do you find genetic manipulation right or wrong?
for example
make the size of food twice as big.
or make animals immune for some illness.
and make cows bigger for more food.
or manipulate a child before birth so he won't get a coordination fault etc.
 

Lullabye

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well, like all things people do, it was started with good intentions and will eventually become a corrupted piece of society that will cause or be part of the cause of another war or something. Also when something does go wrong there will be at least a few thousnad people waiting to jump on the mistake, and say "See, nothing good can come of this!"
on the other hand, if we have learned our lesson then yes, this could be just the thing humanity needs. Wipe out disease, become superhuman, and so on.
Many of you would be suprised at how much is already being genetically altered.
think bread.
 

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xmetatr0nx said:
Lullabye said:
be part of the cause of another war or something
Ok thats a bit much dont you think?
well, considering how often people die to prove they have a better imaginary friend then everyone else, no not really.
 

manaman

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The more they study genetics they more they come up with the fact that there is not size code, eye color code, etc.

While your genetic makeup does help determine the size your are going to grow up to, you could talk steroids to grow more muscle mass, take growth hormones to grow taller then you are supposed to be. So in a sense we already do exactly that. Also you have been eating genetically modified foods for years. Grains get the special treatment so they produce more. Modified rice overtaking wild rices is a problem in some countries.

As for being right or wrong. It is. You can never attribute right or wrong (good or evil) titles to something that is not animate. Think about it, is a knife wrong because someone used it to murder?
 

zauxz

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I dont know. I just... dont. Im gonna stick with neutral (wont vote at all)
 

Torian_Kel

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xmetatr0nx said:
Lullabye said:
be part of the cause of another war or something
Ok thats a bit much dont you think?
Not really as there are companies out there who will go to extremes to protect of enforce their genetic licenses. For example Monsanto, who genetically modified a type of Canola seed started to ruin farmers in Canada and the US because Monsanto fields would be planted next to non Monsanto fields and the crops would cross pollinate. The superior Monsanto crop would take over and then the farmer would have to either pay restitution to Monsanto, or burn his crop and his seeds as they were now altered with the genes that Monsanto patented. The courts backed Monsanto on this one.

So what happens when a genetically altered species of something cross breeds or cross pollinates with something of another nation and wipes out that nation's ability to produce said species? It would not be good I can promise you that.

Otherwise, I am for genetic manipulation as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others.
 

NeoDeath90

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Think yin and yang. You cannot have one without the other, there can be no good without evil and all that. sure, we could increase the size of food and put a slow on world hunger, or we can give immunities to animals, but there will always be some one who wants to test on humans.

Genetic mutations in humans can certainly bring about another sort of conflict, and eventually we'd end up with oversized veggies and untainted animals, but we'd also end up with a bunch of failed experiments and insane humans.

Messing with genetics is fine in my book, but like everything else, in moderation.
 

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sirdanrhodes said:
Lullabye said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Lullabye said:
be part of the cause of another war or something
Ok thats a bit much dont you think?
well, considering how often people die to prove they have a better imaginary friend then everyone else, no not really.
What faith in humanity...
faith is the problem in this case. Honestly you should read my post before you reply. I think if we learn from our past mistakes then we have an honest shot at becoming artificially superior beings. But we are in the middle of an economic crisis, america is involved in at least 2 major wars, and then there is the stupid swine flu that everybody is hyperventalating over. So, forgive me for having no faith. Oh right, and how many world wars have we had in the last century? 2? really? good for you humanity. now try NOT being retarded and see how that works.
 

massau

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Lullabye said:
Many of you would be suprised at how much is already being genetically altered.
think bread.
i mean not like "set 2 different kinds of dog and let them breath"
i mean "lets change the DNA of a mouse so he will glow in the dark"
 

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xmetatr0nx said:
Torian_Kel said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Lullabye said:
be part of the cause of another war or something
Ok thats a bit much dont you think?
Not really as there are companies out there who will go to extremes to protect of enforce their genetic licenses. For example Monsanto, who genetically modified a type of Canola seed started to ruin farmers in Canada and the US because Monsanto fields would be planted next to non Monsanto fields and the crops would cross pollinate. The superior Monsanto crop would take over and then the farmer would have to either pay restitution to Monsanto, or burn his crop and his seeds as they were now altered with the genes that Monsanto patented. The courts backed Monsanto on this one.

So what happens when a genetically altered species of something cross breeds or cross pollinates with something of another nation and wipes out that nation's ability to produce said species? It would not be good I can promise you that.

Otherwise, I am for genetic manipulation as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others.
My god youre right, the US should totaly attack canada...

So a lawsuit equals war here? Look no wars will be started over GMOs, lawsuits yes not wars. There are more trivial things that get people wanting to kill like jesus.
canada is ready, we have guns now.
 

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massau said:
Lullabye said:
Many of you would be suprised at how much is already being genetically altered.
think bread.
i mean not like "set 2 different kinds of dog and let them breath"
i mean "lets change the DNA of a mouse so he will glow in the dark"
uh, yeah, thats what i meant to.......uh...why did you quote that part of my rant? like two pieces of bread are gonna get it on?
 

massau

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NeoDeath90 said:
Think yin and yang. You cannot have one without the other, there can be no good without evil and all that. sure, we could increase the size of food and put a slow on world hunger, or we can give immunities to animals, but there will always be some one who wants to test on humans.

Genetic mutations in humans can certainly bring about another sort of conflict, and eventually we'd end up with oversized veggies and untainted animals, but we'd also end up with a bunch of failed experiments and insane humans.

Messing with genetics is fine in my book, but like everything else, in moderation.
maybe we can become all super smart and evolve even faster but i know there is no good without evil
 

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xmetatr0nx said:
Torian_Kel said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Lullabye said:
be part of the cause of another war or something
Ok thats a bit much dont you think?
Not really as there are companies out there who will go to extremes to protect of enforce their genetic licenses. For example Monsanto, who genetically modified a type of Canola seed started to ruin farmers in Canada and the US because Monsanto fields would be planted next to non Monsanto fields and the crops would cross pollinate. The superior Monsanto crop would take over and then the farmer would have to either pay restitution to Monsanto, or burn his crop and his seeds as they were now altered with the genes that Monsanto patented. The courts backed Monsanto on this one.

So what happens when a genetically altered species of something cross breeds or cross pollinates with something of another nation and wipes out that nation's ability to produce said species? It would not be good I can promise you that.

Otherwise, I am for genetic manipulation as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others.
My god youre right, the US should totaly attack canada...

So a lawsuit equals war here? Look no wars will be started over GMOs, lawsuits yes not wars. There are more trivial things that get people wanting to kill like jesus.
I was not insinuating that the US should attack Canada or that Lawsuits equal wars.

What I am saying is that there is the possibility because people go to war over stupidest shit like religion that they could go to war over something more rational such as watching their GDP plummet when a bacteriophage was modified to protect a plant, mutates, and kills a nations cattle. If said bacteriophage was traced back to a nation, and the company that created gives the other nation the finger...
 

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Torian_Kel said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Torian_Kel said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Lullabye said:
be part of the cause of another war or something
Ok thats a bit much dont you think?
Not really as there are companies out there who will go to extremes to protect of enforce their genetic licenses. For example Monsanto, who genetically modified a type of Canola seed started to ruin farmers in Canada and the US because Monsanto fields would be planted next to non Monsanto fields and the crops would cross pollinate. The superior Monsanto crop would take over and then the farmer would have to either pay restitution to Monsanto, or burn his crop and his seeds as they were now altered with the genes that Monsanto patented. The courts backed Monsanto on this one.

So what happens when a genetically altered species of something cross breeds or cross pollinates with something of another nation and wipes out that nation's ability to produce said species? It would not be good I can promise you that.

Otherwise, I am for genetic manipulation as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others.
My god youre right, the US should totaly attack canada...

So a lawsuit equals war here? Look no wars will be started over GMOs, lawsuits yes not wars. There are more trivial things that get people wanting to kill like jesus.
I was not insinuating that the US should attack Canada or that Lawsuits equal wars.

What I am saying is that there is the possibility because people go to war over stupidest shit like religion that they could go to war over something more rational such as watching their GDP plummet when a bacteriophage was modified to protect a plant, mutates, and kills a nations cattle. If said bacteriophage was traced back to a nation, and the company that created gives the other nation the finger...
how come when i said that i got rebuted? at least we have a few realists here.
 

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People dick around with nature all the time GMOs are just a new ways now we can do it at a new level. We will probably screw it up, millions will die and the survivors will search for new ways to screw up. Rinse and repeat.
 

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I think that instead of trying to make plants and animals bigger, we should focus on making tomatoes taste like steak. I would go vegetarian if tomatoes tasted like steak. It'd put an end to animal suffering.
 

massau

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Torian_Kel said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Torian_Kel said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Lullabye said:
be part of the cause of another war or something
Ok thats a bit much dont you think?
Not really as there are companies out there who will go to extremes to protect of enforce their genetic licenses. For example Monsanto, who genetically modified a type of Canola seed started to ruin farmers in Canada and the US because Monsanto fields would be planted next to non Monsanto fields and the crops would cross pollinate. The superior Monsanto crop would take over and then the farmer would have to either pay restitution to Monsanto, or burn his crop and his seeds as they were now altered with the genes that Monsanto patented. The courts backed Monsanto on this one.

So what happens when a genetically altered species of something cross breeds or cross pollinates with something of another nation and wipes out that nation's ability to produce said species? It would not be good I can promise you that.

Otherwise, I am for genetic manipulation as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others.
My god youre right, the US should totaly attack canada...

So a lawsuit equals war here? Look no wars will be started over GMOs, lawsuits yes not wars. There are more trivial things that get people wanting to kill like jesus.
I was not insinuating that the US should attack Canada or that Lawsuits equal wars.

What I am saying is that there is the possibility because people go to war over stupidest shit like religion that they could go to war over something more rational such as watching their GDP plummet when a bacteriophage was modified to protect a plant, mutates, and kills a nations cattle. If said bacteriophage was traced back to a nation, and the company that created gives the other nation the finger...
i get it but why make bacteria if you could make the plant immune?
 

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xmetatr0nx said:
Lullabye said:
Torian_Kel said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Torian_Kel said:
xmetatr0nx said:
Lullabye said:
be part of the cause of another war or something
Ok thats a bit much dont you think?
Otherwise, I am for genetic manipulation as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others.
My god youre right, the US should totaly attack canada...

I was not insinuating that the US should attack Canada or that Lawsuits equal wars.

What I am saying is that there is the possibility because people go to war over stupidest shit like religion that they could go to war over something more rational such as watching their GDP plummet when a bacteriophage was modified to protect a plant, mutates, and kills a nations cattle. If said bacteriophage was traced back to a nation, and the company that created gives the other nation the finger...
how come when i said that i got rebuted? at least we have a few realists here.
Well its simple really, i just plain dont like you...also rebuted isnt a word!!

Or i was getting bored with this subject and decided that, while yes there is a far off chance that wars maybe started over this matter its highly unlikely.
Im sure jesus thought the same thing.